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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 17:11:52 GMT -5
Trying to be perfect, coming up short and beating oneself up about it isn't good for one's mental condition. I have been there and done that-let me tell you it isn't easy. MY YOKE IS EASY, MY BURDEN IS LIGHT said our Master.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 17:38:41 GMT -5
Trying to be perfect, coming up short and beating oneself up about it isn't good for one's mental condition. I have been there and done that-let me tell you it isn't easy. MY YOKE IS EASY, MY BURDEN IS LIGHT said our Master. There are a lot of things that aren't good for one's mental health. Believing you will be burned in the fires of hell for all eternity if you don't believe in the absurdity of the resurrection is one of them. Believing that God is watching your every move in the bedroom and making a note of every unconventional sexual position is another. Praying earnestly to a God who might as well not be there for all the good that it does is another. Trusting in a loving and caring God while millions suffer hopelessly from pain, hunger and endless despair is another. I have been there and done that and let me tell you these things aren't good for one's mental health at all. Better to cast off the yoke of Christianity, lay down the burden of belief in the bible and become free from the shackles of religious belief systems. Think for yourself, embrace the beauty of nature, love and be loved, live and let live and you might well find more rest for your soul than you ever found before. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 18:11:37 GMT -5
Walker1903, in America I believe a majority (51%) of citizens have suffered, or are suffering, some form of mental illness. This is much higher than in Mexico, for instance. This has been blamed on family breakdown, drugs, alienation, materialism etc..
To blame religion and moral standards for mental illness is a sure sign you yourself might be suffering from it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 18:14:19 GMT -5
There are a lot of things that aren't good for one's mental health. Believing you will be burned in the fires of hell for all eternity if you don't believe in the absurdity of the resurrection is one of them. Believing that God is watching your every move in the bedroom and making a note of every unconventional sexual position is another. Praying earnestly to a God who might as well not be there for all the good that it does is another. Trusting in a loving and caring God while millions suffer hopelessly from pain, hunger and endless despair is another. I have been there and done that and let me tell you these things aren't good for one's mental health at all. Better to cast off the yoke of Christianity, lay down the burden of belief in the bible and become free from the shackles of religious belief systems. Think for yourself, embrace the beauty of nature, love and be loved, live and let live and you might well find more rest for your soul than you ever found before. Matt10 I think your first point is the most relevant, in terms of causing mental health issues. Getting so very wrapped up in worrying about what will become of yourself (and others) for a never-ending period of time can certainly cause mental anguish. At least for the deep thinkers. Fortunately there is a proven cure for this particular mental illness. A cure that has no negative side effects and won't prevent you driving or operating heavy machinery. The cure is to just quit believing. Quit believing that the bible is the word of god. Quit believing that god loves you and cares for you when it's blatantly obvious that he doesn't. Quit believing in virgin births and talking serpents and wives turning into pillars of salt and other absurd nonsense. Quit believing that ancient camel herding men have any monopoly on truth. Quit believing in heaven and hell and in ghosts and gods and hobgoblins. Just quit believing irrespective of whether you're a deep thinker or not. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 18:25:56 GMT -5
Trying to be perfect, coming up short and beating oneself up about it isn't good for one's mental condition. I have been there and done that-let me tell you it isn't easy. MY YOKE IS EASY, MY BURDEN IS LIGHT said our Master. There are a lot of things that aren't good for one's mental health. Believing you will be burned in the fires of hell for all eternity if you don't believe in the absurdity of the resurrection is one of them. Believing that God is watching your every move in the bedroom and making a note of every unconventional sexual position is another. Praying earnestly to a God who might as well not be there for all the good that it does is another. Trusting in a loving and caring God while millions suffer hopelessly from pain, hunger and endless despair is another. I have been there and done that and let me tell you these things aren't good for one's mental health at all. Better to cast off the yoke of Christianity, lay down the burden of belief in the bible and become free from the shackles of religious belief systems. Think for yourself, embrace the beauty of nature, love and be loved, live and let live and you might well find more rest for your soul than you ever found before. Matt10 Yeah, well I know of a few people who did most of what you are suggesting and still ended up miserable and mad as hell. Some found rest for their bodies in their graves, but I am not so sure that they found rest for their souls. My uncle on the maternal side of my family and his drinking buddies were like that. They were free from the shackles of the religious belief system alright. Some people live in the fast lane, die quick and get a pretty casket.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 20:06:13 GMT -5
You CAN be a believer and have peace and joy. As long as you keep things in perspective and realize that IT IS FINISHED. We trust HIM and we have peace and rest. Atheists probably have confusion on their deathbeds not sure what's next in some cases. There are people in "truth" who can see beyond the system and don't get caught up in the works based stuff also.
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Post by emy on Nov 18, 2014 20:24:54 GMT -5
Trying to be perfect, coming up short and beating oneself up about it isn't good for one's mental condition. I have been there and done that-let me tell you it isn't easy. MY YOKE IS EASY, MY BURDEN IS LIGHT said our Master. If one is doing those things, one is NOT in the yoke with Jesus.
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Post by Mary on Nov 18, 2014 21:31:09 GMT -5
I have read somewhere that people with a religious belief are more at peace and content than those who do not. My guess is that it depends on the type of religious belief they have. Cultish groups would not foster this kind of response.
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Post by snow on Nov 18, 2014 21:32:18 GMT -5
If someone believes in God or hell, are they ever 100% sure they are saved? As someone who believes in neither, I never question that. The concept of both makes no sense to me and therefore I don't ever wonder about that. I do wonder if there is an afterlife sometimes, but I never worry about it being negative. That is freedom.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 21:42:20 GMT -5
If someone believes in God or hell, are they ever 100% sure they are saved? As someone who believes in neither, I never question that. The concept of both makes no sense to me and therefore I don't ever wonder about that. I do wonder if there is an afterlife sometimes, but I never worry about it being negative. That is freedom. Php_2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
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Post by blacksheep on Nov 18, 2014 21:46:33 GMT -5
Which came first, the mental illness or the cult membership?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 21:48:53 GMT -5
I know a professing couple who feel like they have to travel 2 hours away to gospel meetings. This couple can have more colds and flus than anyone I know of..Spiritual security is a blessing. When you second guess your salvation based on petty system held beliefs, nervousness is the issue. I remember hearing some bawl, sob and shake because they had experienced so many failures during their convention testimonies. Sad. I believe in hell but not as some in Truth believe it to be. It is a bad place for unrepented evil people. Not good people who come up short. Scriptural warnings are like medicine-beneficial if taken rightly but dangerous if taken the wrong way. I try to respect the laws of the land thus I don't have to fear a death penalty. I know some wonderful emotionally stable professing folks thanks to families and meetings who see beyond a system.
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Post by snow on Nov 18, 2014 21:50:53 GMT -5
If someone believes in God or hell, are they ever 100% sure they are saved? As someone who believes in neither, I never question that. The concept of both makes no sense to me and therefore I don't ever wonder about that. I do wonder if there is an afterlife sometimes, but I never worry about it being negative. That is freedom. Php_2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. So am I getting this right. No one dies without fear and trembling if they believe in God and an afterlife of either heaven or hell?
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Post by déjà vu on Nov 18, 2014 22:02:53 GMT -5
from walker
"I know a professing couple who feel like they have to travel 2 hours away to gospel meetings"
talk about carbon FOOTPRINT " Après moi le deluge" (“After me, the deluge
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 22:08:57 GMT -5
I know a professing couple who feel like they have to travel 2 hours away to gospel meetings. This couple can have more colds and flus than anyone I know of..Spiritual security is a blessing. When you second guess your salvation based on petty system held beliefs, nervousness is the issue. I remember hearing some bawl, sob and shake because they had experienced so many failures during their convention testimonies. Sad. I believe in hell but not as some in Truth believe it to be. It is a bad place for unrepented evil people. Not good people who come up short. Scriptural warnings are like medicine-beneficial if taken rightly but dangerous if taken the wrong way. I try to respect the laws of the land thus I don't have to fear a death penalty. I know some wonderful emotionally stable professing folks thanks to families and meetings who see beyond a system. Walker1903, it would be nice if you could define the terms you employ. Quote - "petty system held beliefs" would be a good start - I will start the ball rolling
Petty System Beliefs:
modesty humility grace love lack of pettiness lack of vindictiveness honesty not offending others not justifying yourself not accepting divorce
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 18, 2014 22:22:58 GMT -5
I think your first point is the most relevant, in terms of causing mental health issues. Getting so very wrapped up in worrying about what will become of yourself (and others) for a never-ending period of time can certainly cause mental anguish. At least for the deep thinkers. Fortunately there is a proven cure for this particular mental illness. A cure that has no negative side effects and won't prevent you driving or operating heavy machinery. The cure is to just quit believing. Quit believing that the bible is the word of god. Quit believing that god loves you and cares for you when it's blatantly obvious that he doesn't. Quit believing in virgin births and talking serpents and wives turning into pillars of salt and other absurd nonsense. Quit believing that ancient camel herding men have any monopoly on truth. Quit believing in heaven and hell and in ghosts and gods and hobgoblins. Just quit believing irrespective of whether you're a deep thinker or not. Matt10 Very Good post, Matt.
I think that is easier for people to quit believing in the obviously impossible: "virgin births, talking serpents" etc.
Probably the hardest is to quit believing is that "god loves you and cares for you."
Next the hardest is probably that the "the bible is the word of god."
Even when they have to admit it is not even internally consistent with itself. Even when they know that there are many, many other ancient documents of other religions which also believe their's is the word of a god.
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Post by rational on Nov 18, 2014 22:33:55 GMT -5
Fortunately there is a proven cure for this particular mental illness. A cure that has no negative side effects and won't prevent you driving or operating heavy machinery. The cure is to just quit believing. Quit believing that the bible is the word of god. Quit believing that god loves you and cares for you when it's blatantly obvious that he doesn't. Quit believing in virgin births and talking serpents and wives turning into pillars of salt and other absurd nonsense. Quit believing that ancient camel herding men have any monopoly on truth. Quit believing in heaven and hell and in ghosts and gods and hobgoblins. Just quit believing irrespective of whether you're a deep thinker or not. Matt10 The question is whether one can will themselves to believe or not believe. I could not will myself to believe in a paranormal being. I could not will myself to believe that evolution is false.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 23:31:23 GMT -5
Php_2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. So am I getting this right. No one dies without fear and trembling if they believe in God and an afterlife of either heaven or hell? in my opinion yes a little fear should be in the mix along with love... yes i know about this verse also 1Jn_4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. this is where balance comes into the equation...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 23:58:55 GMT -5
Fortunately there is a proven cure for this particular mental illness. A cure that has no negative side effects and won't prevent you driving or operating heavy machinery. The cure is to just quit believing. Quit believing that the bible is the word of god. Quit believing that god loves you and cares for you when it's blatantly obvious that he doesn't. Quit believing in virgin births and talking serpents and wives turning into pillars of salt and other absurd nonsense. Quit believing that ancient camel herding men have any monopoly on truth. Quit believing in heaven and hell and in ghosts and gods and hobgoblins. Just quit believing irrespective of whether you're a deep thinker or not. Matt10 The question is whether one can will themselves to believe or not believe. I could not will myself to believe in a paranormal being. I could not will myself to believe that evolution is false. I don't believe one can will oneself unto unbelief. However I do believe that if one recognises the negative impact of religion on one's mental health, then it is possible to break free from one's religious belief if one allows oneself to be subjected to alternative viewpoints that make sense and starts thinking for oneself. Think of the parable of the mustard seed. From tiny seeds of doubt can grow great branches. I doubt you can begin believing in a paranormal being merely through a process of thinking for onesself. In my experience belief in a paranormal being usually comes as a result of not thinking for oneself but rather trusting in what someone else thinks. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 0:01:17 GMT -5
I know a professing couple who feel like they have to travel 2 hours away to gospel meetings. This couple can have more colds and flus than anyone I know of . I'm afraid unbelief will not cure this. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 0:02:13 GMT -5
Fortunately there is a proven cure for this particular mental illness. A cure that has no negative side effects and won't prevent you driving or operating heavy machinery. The cure is to just quit believing. Quit believing that the bible is the word of god. Quit believing that god loves you and cares for you when it's blatantly obvious that he doesn't. Quit believing in virgin births and talking serpents and wives turning into pillars of salt and other absurd nonsense. Quit believing that ancient camel herding men have any monopoly on truth. Quit believing in heaven and hell and in ghosts and gods and hobgoblins. Just quit believing irrespective of whether you're a deep thinker or not. Matt10 The question is whether one can will themselves to believe or not believe. I could not will myself to believe in a paranormal being. I could not will myself to believe that evolution is false. what about those that switch from one belief to another? doesn't that require some sort of "will"...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 0:04:59 GMT -5
I have read somewhere that people with a religious belief are more at peace and content than those who do not I read somewhere that if you feed your cat dog food for long enough it will eventually start barking. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 0:11:16 GMT -5
There are a lot of things that aren't good for one's mental health. Believing you will be burned in the fires of hell for all eternity if you don't believe in the absurdity of the resurrection is one of them. Believing that God is watching your every move in the bedroom and making a note of every unconventional sexual position is another. Praying earnestly to a God who might as well not be there for all the good that it does is another. Trusting in a loving and caring God while millions suffer hopelessly from pain, hunger and endless despair is another. I have been there and done that and let me tell you these things aren't good for one's mental health at all. Better to cast off the yoke of Christianity, lay down the burden of belief in the bible and become free from the shackles of religious belief systems. Think for yourself, embrace the beauty of nature, love and be loved, live and let live and you might well find more rest for your soul than you ever found before. Matt10 Yeah, well I know of a few people who did most of what you are suggesting and still ended up miserable and mad as hell. Some found rest for their bodies in their graves, but I am not so sure that they found rest for their souls. My uncle on the maternal side of my family and his drinking buddies were like that. They were free from the shackles of the religious belief system alright. Some people live in the fast lane, die quick and get a pretty casket. For the record, not everyone who doesn't believe in the Christian God is an alcoholic. Matt10
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 19, 2014 1:05:30 GMT -5
Yeah, well I know of a few people who did most of what you are suggesting and still ended up miserable and mad as hell. Some found rest for their bodies in their graves, but I am not so sure that they found rest for their souls. My uncle on the maternal side of my family and his drinking buddies were like that. They were free from the shackles of the religious belief system alright. Some people live in the fast lane, die quick and get a pretty casket. For the record, not everyone who doesn't believe in the Christian God is an alcoholic. Matt10 So true Matt, also a lot of people that DO believe in the Christian God ARE alcoholics .
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 19, 2014 1:09:15 GMT -5
I know a professing couple who feel like they have to travel 2 hours away to gospel meetings. This couple can have more colds and flus than anyone I know of..Spiritual security is a blessing. When you second guess your salvation based on petty system held beliefs, nervousness is the issue. I remember hearing some bawl, sob and shake because they had experienced so many failures during their convention testimonies. Sad. I believe in hell but not as some in Truth believe it to be. It is a bad place for unrepented evil people. Not good people who come up short. Scriptural warnings are like medicine-beneficial if taken rightly but dangerous if taken the wrong way. I try to respect the laws of the land thus I don't have to fear a death penalty. I know some wonderful emotionally stable professing folks thanks to families and meetings who see beyond a system. Walker1903, it would be nice if you could define the terms you employ. Quote - "petty system held beliefs" would be a good start - I will start the ball rolling
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modesty humility grace love lack of pettiness lack of vindictiveness honesty not offending others not justifying yourself not accepting divorceSo Bert are you saying that the only people in the world that have the qualities in your list ( thought I personally would not call not accepting divorce a quality ) are F & W ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 19, 2014 1:13:43 GMT -5
Here are some to add to your list Bert:
Women have to wear their hair in a Bun Women cannot cut their hair Women cannot wear make-up Women cannot wear jewellery Women have to look to the women workers for their example of how to dress
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 19, 2014 1:47:28 GMT -5
There are a lot of things that aren't good for one's mental health. Believing you will be burned in the fires of hell for all eternity if you don't believe in the absurdity of the resurrection is one of them. Believing that God is watching your every move in the bedroom and making a note of every unconventional sexual position is another. Praying earnestly to a God who might as well not be there for all the good that it does is another. Trusting in a loving and caring God while millions suffer hopelessly from pain, hunger and endless despair is another. I have been there and done that and let me tell you these things aren't good for one's mental health at all. Better to cast off the yoke of Christianity, lay down the burden of belief in the bible and become free from the shackles of religious belief systems. Think for yourself, embrace the beauty of nature, love and be loved, live and let live and you might well find more rest for your soul than you ever found before. Matt10 Yeah, well I know of a few people who did most of what you are suggesting and still ended up miserable and mad as hell. Some found rest for their bodies in their graves, but I am not so sure that they found rest for their souls. My uncle on the maternal side of my family and his drinking buddies were like that. They were free from the shackles of the religious belief system alright. Some people live in the fast lane, die quick and get a pretty casket. How many people do you know "who did most of what (Matt was) suggesting and still ended up miserable and mad as hell?"
What did Your uncle & his drinking buddies believe or not believe? Are you admitting that results of religious does put people into "shackles?"
Was it more that your uncle & his buddies just enjoyed life? As long as they didn't go home & beat their children & wives, what was wrong with it?
All that you said had nothing really to do with what was posted about shedding the all the harmful beliefs associated with religion; the fear of burning in hell, or fear of how you were acting in the bedroom.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 1:55:47 GMT -5
Here are some to add to your list Bert: Women have to wear their hair in a Bun Women cannot cut their hair Women cannot wear make-up Women cannot wear jewellery Women have to look to the women workers for their example of how to dress That's good - pretty well covered by Paul and Peter, actually. Let's keep going
Women professing Godliness should also not wear tatts not do studs not do ear piercing not do dope not do meth not do ice not do crack not sleep with men other than their husbands not abuse their kids not spit in public not shave their heads not disobey traffic laws not disobey tax laws not disobey civil laws not disobey criminal laws
... I tell you, a woman heeding all these laws might end up in a mental institution - but then again, maybe she wont'
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