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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 19:09:32 GMT -5
PS: I didnt say ALL dmich...
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Post by rational on Oct 23, 2014 19:10:04 GMT -5
I dont need to have it both ways. It isnt my mindset. I can accept Im not always right. I can also accept prayer doesnt always work. Im sure if you ask most mature doctors they too will admit a mystery to unexplained healings of patients. If the scientific study proves prayer isnt true? My answer TODAY would be its probably not time for it to be revealed. Lets face it. Positive discovery on most things that have eluded man since time began are mostly met with wonder and joy. Wow.
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Post by rational on Oct 23, 2014 19:11:59 GMT -5
PS: I didnt say ALL dmich...:) If prayer works only the same as random chance can it really be said to work? That would be like me saying that I can flip a coin to be heads every time. Well, at least every time it is not tails.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 19:25:02 GMT -5
Why do you have problems with anything that doesnt have a fact base? There are thousands of believers on the planet. I doubt Im unique in this. On this site not every christian has the courage to speak out.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 23, 2014 19:31:28 GMT -5
PS: I didnt say ALL dmich... If prayer works only the same as random chance can it really be said to work? That would be like me saying that I can flip a coin to be heads every time. Well, at least every time it is not tails. Re: random chance? Looking back ive asked myself if I hadnt prayed and reached out for such and such would that have happened. My answer is it may still have happened without so much blessing. Im not prepared to explain what I mean at the moment. Without a vision some things wouldnt have happened. Without knowing the nudging of the holy spirit some things wouldnt have happened. Prayer and sickness when my back was healed I hadnt asked for that.it was before I knew he heals people.
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Post by rational on Oct 23, 2014 19:34:44 GMT -5
Why do you have problems with anything that doesnt have a fact base? It is only when you call it a fact. Beliefs are a wonderful thing. Do not require either logical or material proof. There were thousands of believers in Zeus and the rest of the Greek pantheon. Facts are not determined by vote.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 24, 2014 12:04:59 GMT -5
I dont need to have it both ways. It isnt my mindset. I can accept Im not always right. I can also accept prayer doesnt always work. Im sure if you ask most mature doctors they too will admit a mystery to unexplained healings of patients.If the scientific study proves prayer isnt true? My answer TODAY would be its probably not time for it to be revealed. Lets face it. Positive discovery on most things that have eluded man since time began are mostly met with wonder and joy. What is "mature" doctor?
Anyway, Anecdotal accounts from any person doesn't make a scientific study.
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Post by rational on Oct 24, 2014 12:12:36 GMT -5
Im sure if you ask most mature doctors they too will admit a mystery to unexplained healings of patients. Not knowing something just means you don't know.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 24, 2014 12:13:55 GMT -5
Bubbles, how do you respond if in a breakthrough of scientific discovery, science does not confirm something that you believe to be true?
Lets say experiments by science regarding the "efficacy of prayer."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
With me you will hit a brick wall because of what has happened in my life. Im walking proof that some prayer works. Until they understand spiritual dimensions, the connection between a human spirit what happens when the universal spirit is in unity with the human spirit. How the energy from our brain communicates spirit to spirit. Its a no go.JMO The whole dynamic of a power source greater than we can create is undeniably there. Understanding that is something else. Unless the universe wants us to fully understand and know we may never know. According to scripture some mysteries will not be revealed. Hey I can see how that can frustrate the heck out of an unbelievers mind. Prove it then I will believe!!! Thing is that isnt how faith works. I don't know what happened to you in your life but how do you know that it was "prayer" that changed anything rather than some other factor?
Why are you "walking proof that some prayer works?"
Just wondering how you know.
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Post by snow on Oct 24, 2014 16:57:37 GMT -5
I am in the process of reading a book that has turned out to be a bit different from what I expected. Since my children's father died last month of a heart attack at 56 I started reading a book about resuscitation methods and how they vary depending on where you live, whether you're in a hospital or the community, whether you're 18 or under etc. It's called 'Erasing Death:The Science that is rewriting the boundaries between life and death' by Sam Parnia, M.D. He is a resuscitation doctor that is writing about being able to lengthen the amount of time people can be 'dead' before there is enough cell death to cause permanent damage and irreversible death and/or brain damage. That has lengthened quite a bit with a procedure that cools the body down to slow down the cell death while the resuscitation team has a change to restart the heart and then fix (if possible) the problem and then bring them back to body temperature. He also goes into the subject of what we call Near Death Experiences, but he doesn't feel that's what they should be called. He says they should be called Actual Death Experiences. I haven't got through the whole book yet and he has only just started to talk about that side of it. But it is an interesting read so far. I realize that my ex probably could have been resuscitated if the hospital or EMS had done that type of procedure. He had a blocked right aorta artery. The procedure is changing the amount of time a person can be dead before irreparable cellular death happens.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 24, 2014 17:22:44 GMT -5
I dont need to have it both ways. It isnt my mindset. I can accept Im not always right. I can also accept prayer doesnt always work. Im sure if you ask most mature doctors they too will admit a mystery to unexplained healings of patients.If the scientific study proves prayer isnt true? My answer TODAY would be its probably not time for it to be revealed. Lets face it. Positive discovery on most things that have eluded man since time began are mostly met with wonder and joy. What is "mature" doctor?
Anyway, Anecdotal accounts from any person doesn't make a scientific study. Mature. Someone who had graduated and had years of experience in the medical field. GP, REGISTRAR, PROFESSOR
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Post by bubbles on Oct 24, 2014 17:42:18 GMT -5
With me you will hit a brick wall because of what has happened in my life. Im walking proof that some prayer works. Until they understand spiritual dimensions, the connection between a human spirit what happens when the universal spirit is in unity with the human spirit. How the energy from our brain communicates spirit to spirit. Its a no go.JMO The whole dynamic of a power source greater than we can create is undeniably there. Understanding that is something else. Unless the universe wants us to fully understand and know we may never know. According to scripture some mysteries will not be revealed. Hey I can see how that can frustrate the heck out of an unbelievers mind. Prove it then I will believe!!! Thing is that isnt how faith works. I don't know what happened to you in your life but how do you know that it was "prayer" that changed anything rather than some other factor?
Why are you "walking proof that some prayer works?"
Just wondering how you know.
I didnt know prayer worked. Left meeting 5yr before this happened. We had been attending a church of christ and some friends took us one night to church 3km down the road. He had been a pastor and new this baptist pastor well. Asked us why we werent going to that church? We didnt know about this church. During the service he preached well. At the end of his message he had a word if knowledge and opened up the front of the church for anyone who would like them to pray for them. This was totally new to me. Never seen nor heard if this before. I was about 37yrs. For some reason I felt excited and nervous but after I turned to hubby and asked should we go up he is talking about us. Friend said go on you will be blessed. We went forward and a young couple began to pray one had their hand on hubbys shoulder I stood next to him shutting my eyes When I opened my eyes again I was lying on the floor looking up to the ceiling.puzzled at how I got there. I hadnt felt myself fall. No one caught me. When I stood up. My back felt comfortable. I had a bad fall from my horse at 14yr. Yrs later I had trouble with my upper back and neck. Id gone to the chiropractor and had been having treatment every month for a yr from my head to my hips. This was 1987. Ive had no pain since. Something happened I believe I was healed that day. This inspired me. It makes me question why christians dont believe he heals today. That it was for the early church only. No one laid hands on me they laid hands on my hubby. During the next 2yrs. I went up for prayer responding to a word of knowledge about heart conditions. Id known id had a heart murmur. My heart missed a beat every 8 beats. I was told by the cardiologist it was probably congenital. (A number of family members have this condition). After being prayed for the heart murmur disappeared. A few yrs ago I needed to have a heart ultrasound. They told me there is no murmur there. This is why I am walking proof.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 24, 2014 17:58:26 GMT -5
Why do you have problems with anything that doesnt have a fact base? There are thousands of believers on the planet. I doubt Im unique in this. On this site not every christian has the courage to speak out. Some of the Christians here simply refrain from dialogue with those who aren't. It isn't about courage, it is about wanting to be able to state their thoughts, but without being belittled for being a Christian and believing in God. I have no problem with those who don't believe in God. I have a problem with all those who feel the need to tell Christians that they are somehow stupid for believing and having faith. Not all atheists are that way, but those who put down Christians (or other religions) because of their belief structure don't interest me much. I think it is fine if they don't believe in God. Many of them once considered themselves to be Christians, but it just didn't work for them. No problem........ So....... I have gotten to where if there is something that I wish to comment on here on the TMB, I give my thoughts and then simply refrain from getting into much of a dialogue with those who put down Christians for believing as we do. I don't mind debating and interacting with other Christians, but when talking about our beliefs and faith, I don't see much point in debating with an atheist on matters of faith. What someone else believes doesn't affect my salvation.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 24, 2014 18:03:18 GMT -5
I don't know what happened to you in your life but how do you know that it was "prayer" that changed anything rather than some other factor?
Why are you "walking proof that some prayer works?"
Just wondering how you know.
I didnt know prayer worked. Left meeting 5yr before this happened. We had been attending a church of christ and some friends took us one night to church 3km down the road. He had been a pastor and new this baptist pastor well. Asked us why we werent going to that church? We didnt know about this church. During the service he preached well. At the end of his message he had a word if knowledge and opened up the front of the church for anyone who would like them to pray for them. This was totally new to me. Never seen nor heard if this before. I was about 37yrs. For some reason I felt excited and nervous but after I turned to hubby and asked should we go up he is talking about us. Friend said go on you will be blessed. We went forward and a young couple began to pray one had their hand on hubbys shoulder I stood next to him shutting my eyes When I opened my eyes again I was lying on the floor looking up to the ceiling.puzzled at how I got there. I hadnt felt myself fall. No one caught me. When I stood up. My back felt comfortable. I had a bad fall from my horse at 14yr. Yrs later I had trouble with my upper back and neck. Id gone to the chiropractor and had been having treatment every month for a yr from my head to my hips. This was 1987. Ive had no pain since. Something happened I believe I was healed that day. This inspired me. It makes me question why christians dont believe he heals today. That it was for the early church only. No one laid hands on me they laid hands on my hubby. During the next 2yrs. I went up for prayer responding to a word of knowledge about heart conditions. Id known id had a heart murmur. My heart missed a beat every 8 beats. I was told by the cardiologist it was probably congenital. (A number of family members have this condition). After being prayed for the heart murmur disappeared. A few yrs ago I needed to have a heart ultrasound. They told me there is no murmur there. This is why I am walking proof. And you ARE walking proof. The proof is for you, and there is no need for you to have to 'prove it' to anyone else. I know that my experiences certainly have led me into a relationship with Jesus/God/Holy Spirit, but I have no need to prove it to someone who does not believe in God. After all, it is my personal experience, so for me it is true, and therefore it is mine to have and enjoy. For someone who doesn't have that type of relationship with Jesus/God/ Holy Spirit, it can't be explained. But to a fellow believer, there is no need to prove anything. It just is......
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 24, 2014 18:49:22 GMT -5
I don't know what happened to you in your life but how do you know that it was "prayer" that changed anything rather than some other factor?
Why are you "walking proof that some prayer works?"
Just wondering how you know.
I didnt know prayer worked. Left meeting 5yr before this happened. We had been attending a church of christ and some friends took us one night to church 3km down the road. He had been a pastor and new this baptist pastor well. Asked us why we werent going to that church? We didnt know about this church. During the service he preached well. At the end of his message he had a word if knowledge and opened up the front of the church for anyone who would like them to pray for them. This was totally new to me. Never seen nor heard if this before. I was about 37yrs. For some reason I felt excited and nervous but after I turned to hubby and asked should we go up he is talking about us. Friend said go on you will be blessed. We went forward and a young couple began to pray one had their hand on hubbys shoulder I stood next to him shutting my eyes When I opened my eyes again I was lying on the floor looking up to the ceiling.puzzled at how I got there. I hadnt felt myself fall. No one caught me. When I stood up. My back felt comfortable. I had a bad fall from my horse at 14yr. Yrs later I had trouble with my upper back and neck. Id gone to the chiropractor and had been having treatment every month for a yr from my head to my hips. This was 1987. Ive had no pain since. Something happened I believe I was healed that day. This inspired me. It makes me question why christians dont believe he heals today. That it was for the early church only. No one laid hands on me they laid hands on my hubby. During the next 2yrs. I went up for prayer responding to a word of knowledge about heart conditions. Id known id had a heart murmur. My heart missed a beat every 8 beats. I was told by the cardiologist it was probably congenital. (A number of family members have this condition). After being prayed for the heart murmur disappeared. A few yrs ago I needed to have a heart ultrasound. They told me there is no murmur there. You have written many times you put me on your ignore listThis is why I am walking proof. Thank you, bubbles.
Glad to hear you are no longer in pain or have a heart murmur.
I have a question.
Have you had a problem but even after prayer the problem is still there?
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 24, 2014 19:06:34 GMT -5
I am in the process of reading a book that has turned out to be a bit different from what I expected. Since my children's father died last month of a heart attack at 56 I started reading a book about resuscitation methods and how they vary depending on where you live, whether you're in a hospital or the community, whether you're 18 or under etc. It's called 'Erasing Death:The Science that is rewriting the boundaries between life and death' by Sam Parnia, M.D. He is a resuscitation doctor that is writing about being able to lengthen the amount of time people can be 'dead' before there is enough cell death to cause permanent damage and irreversible death and/or brain damage. That has lengthened quite a bit with a procedure that cools the body down to slow down the cell death while the resuscitation team has a change to restart the heart and then fix (if possible) the problem and then bring them back to body temperature. He also goes into the subject of what we call Near Death Experiences, but he doesn't feel that's what they should be called. He says they should be called Actual Death Experiences. I haven't got through the whole book yet and he has only just started to talk about that side of it. But it is an interesting read so far. I realize that my ex probably could have been resuscitated if the hospital or EMS had done that type of procedure. He had a blocked right aorta artery. The procedure is changing the amount of time a person can be dead before irreparable cellular death happens. It is called Therapeutic hypothermia, and has been around for awhile. Therapeutic hypothermia, also known as protective hypothermia, is a medical treatment that lowers a patient's body temperature in order to help reduce the risk of tissue injury from lack of blood flow.[1] Periods of poor blood flow may be due to cardiac arrest or the blockage of an artery by an embolism, as is the case in stroke.
Several studies have shown that therapeutic hypothermia can improve survival and brain function following resuscitation from cardiac arrest.[2] However, its use for cardiac arrest was called into question in November 2013 with findings that a temperature of 36 °C (97 °F) results in the same mortality and brain function outcomes as 33 °C (91 °F).[3] Therapeutic hypothermia following traumatic brain injury has shown mixed results with some studies showing benefits in survival and brain function while other show no clear benefit.[4]
Therapeutic hypothermia is thought to prevent brain injury by several methods including decreasing the brain's oxygen demand, reducing the production of neurotransmitters like glutamate, as well as reducing free radicals that might damage the brain. The lowering of body temperature may be accomplished by many means including the use cooling blankets, cooling helmets, cooling catheters, ice packs and ice water lavage.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 24, 2014 19:06:53 GMT -5
Why do you have problems with anything that doesnt have a fact base? There are thousands of believers on the planet. I doubt Im unique in this. On this site not every christian has the courage to speak out. Some of the Christians here simply refrain from dialogue with those who aren't. It isn't about courage, it is about wanting to be able to state their thoughts, but without being belittled for being a Christian and believing in God. I have no problem with those who don't believe in God. I have a problem with all those who feel the need to tell Christians that they are somehow stupid for believing and having faith. Not all atheists are that way, but those who put down Christians (or other religions) because of their belief structure don't interest me much. I think it is fine if they don't believe in God. Many of them once considered themselves to be Christians, but it just didn't work for them. No problem........ So....... I have gotten to where if there is something that I wish to comment on here on the TMB, I give my thoughts and then simply refrain from getting into much of a dialogue with those who put down Christians for believing as we do. I don't mind debating and interacting with other Christians, but when talking about our beliefs and faith, I don't see much point in debating with an atheist on matters of faith. What someone else believes doesn't affect my salvation. Scott You are so right. You certainly have more wisdom than me. I know there are probably many believers who possibly havent heard some of the things I talk about especially in meetings. For them I see it as planting a seed. I hope that if I can inspire even 1 person then I have been productive in my understanding of scripture which has worked experiencially with me. A speaker once said 'the word needs to work.' The spirit and the word work together which brings life. So when I apply it to a situation if it is more powerful than a double edged sword I expect it too. My dad was a gentleman. I do struggle with ignoring people even online. Sometimes I take comments too personally and it does my head in. I can always do a runner cant I..
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Post by bubbles on Oct 24, 2014 19:12:04 GMT -5
Dmmich yes. I think I have stated in the past I dont understand why all prayer requests are not answered.
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Post by snow on Oct 24, 2014 19:27:42 GMT -5
I am in the process of reading a book that has turned out to be a bit different from what I expected. Since my children's father died last month of a heart attack at 56 I started reading a book about resuscitation methods and how they vary depending on where you live, whether you're in a hospital or the community, whether you're 18 or under etc. It's called 'Erasing Death:The Science that is rewriting the boundaries between life and death' by Sam Parnia, M.D. He is a resuscitation doctor that is writing about being able to lengthen the amount of time people can be 'dead' before there is enough cell death to cause permanent damage and irreversible death and/or brain damage. That has lengthened quite a bit with a procedure that cools the body down to slow down the cell death while the resuscitation team has a change to restart the heart and then fix (if possible) the problem and then bring them back to body temperature. He also goes into the subject of what we call Near Death Experiences, but he doesn't feel that's what they should be called. He says they should be called Actual Death Experiences. I haven't got through the whole book yet and he has only just started to talk about that side of it. But it is an interesting read so far. I realize that my ex probably could have been resuscitated if the hospital or EMS had done that type of procedure. He had a blocked right aorta artery. The procedure is changing the amount of time a person can be dead before irreparable cellular death happens. It is called Therapeutic hypothermia, and has been around for awhile. Therapeutic hypothermia, also known as protective hypothermia, is a medical treatment that lowers a patient's body temperature in order to help reduce the risk of tissue injury from lack of blood flow.[1] Periods of poor blood flow may be due to cardiac arrest or the blockage of an artery by an embolism, as is the case in stroke.
Several studies have shown that therapeutic hypothermia can improve survival and brain function following resuscitation from cardiac arrest.[2] However, its use for cardiac arrest was called into question in November 2013 with findings that a temperature of 36 °C (97 °F) results in the same mortality and brain function outcomes as 33 °C (91 °F).[3] Therapeutic hypothermia following traumatic brain injury has shown mixed results with some studies showing benefits in survival and brain function while other show no clear benefit.[4]
Therapeutic hypothermia is thought to prevent brain injury by several methods including decreasing the brain's oxygen demand, reducing the production of neurotransmitters like glutamate, as well as reducing free radicals that might damage the brain. The lowering of body temperature may be accomplished by many means including the use cooling blankets, cooling helmets, cooling catheters, ice packs and ice water lavage.
wiki Yes it has been around for awhile. The book talks about how it works of course, but it also talks about how it just isn't used in a lot of places in the world yet. It seems that it is used more often in East Asia, Japan. It's use is sporadic across the Western world. He was talking about how the EMS in NYC started to use it and would only take people suffering from cardiac arrest to hospitals that used that method. This brought other hospitals on line with it. However, it varies from county to county it seems. Also, in some places if you are under the age of 18 you won't have this method used on you. In other places EMS don't use it but the hospital does or EMS does and the hospital doesn't. It sounds like such a life altering procedure (literally) but it's still not mandatory. Seems like something that can make such a huge difference should be used whenever possible. He also went into the CPR procedure. Machines to do the compressions instead of people who tire easily. Also warning about something called 'breath stacking' where the breath going in isn't left long enough to exhale sufficiently before another breath is put in. This apparently limits the effectiveness too. You probably know all about this being a nurse, but I'm finding it quite interesting and educating.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 24, 2014 23:31:45 GMT -5
Some of the Christians here simply refrain from dialogue with those who aren't. It isn't about courage, it is about wanting to be able to state their thoughts, but without being belittled for being a Christian and believing in God. I have no problem with those who don't believe in God. I have a problem with all those who feel the need to tell Christians that they are somehow stupid for believing and having faith. Not all atheists are that way, but those who put down Christians (or other religions) because of their belief structure don't interest me much. I think it is fine if they don't believe in God. Many of them once considered themselves to be Christians, but it just didn't work for them. No problem........ So....... I have gotten to where if there is something that I wish to comment on here on the TMB, I give my thoughts and then simply refrain from getting into much of a dialogue with those who put down Christians for believing as we do. I don't mind debating and interacting with other Christians, but when talking about our beliefs and faith, I don't see much point in debating with an atheist on matters of faith. What someone else believes doesn't affect my salvation. Scott You are so right. You certainly have more wisdom than me. I know there are probably many believers who possibly havent heard some of the things I talk about especially in meetings. For them I see it as planting a seed. I hope that if I can inspire even 1 person then I have been productive in my understanding of scripture which has worked experiencially with me. A speaker once said 'the word needs to work.' The spirit and the word work together which brings life. So when I apply it to a situation if it is more powerful than a double edged sword I expect it too. My dad was a gentleman. I do struggle with ignoring people even online. Sometimes I take comments too personally and it does my head in. I can always do a runner cant I.. Sometimes I take comments too personally and it does my head in.
Gotta have a thick skin here on the TMB on occasion.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 25, 2014 3:40:51 GMT -5
Scott You are so right. You certainly have more wisdom than me. I know there are probably many believers who possibly havent heard some of the things I talk about especially in meetings. For them I see it as planting a seed. I hope that if I can inspire even 1 person then I have been productive in my understanding of scripture which has worked experiencially with me. A speaker once said 'the word needs to work.' The spirit and the word work together which brings life. So when I apply it to a situation if it is more powerful than a double edged sword I expect it too. My dad was a gentleman. I do struggle with ignoring people even online. Sometimes I take comments too personally and it does my head in. I can always do a runner cant I.. Sometimes I take comments too personally and it does my head in.
Gotta have a thick skin here on the TMB on occasion. Yep. Thought you knew Im a big softy.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 25, 2014 21:55:11 GMT -5
Sometimes I take comments too personally and it does my head in.
Gotta have a thick skin here on the TMB on occasion. Yep. Thought you knew Im a big softy. Yeah.... me too......
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Post by rational on Oct 26, 2014 7:00:42 GMT -5
I am in the process of reading a book that has turned out to be a bit different from what I expected. Since my children's father died last month of a heart attack at 56 I started reading a book about resuscitation methods and how they vary depending on where you live, whether you're in a hospital or the community, whether you're 18 or under etc. It's called 'Erasing Death:The Science that is rewriting the boundaries between life and death' by Sam Parnia, M.D. He is a resuscitation doctor that is writing about being able to lengthen the amount of time people can be 'dead' before there is enough cell death to cause permanent damage and irreversible death and/or brain damage. That has lengthened quite a bit with a procedure that cools the body down to slow down the cell death while the resuscitation team has a change to restart the heart and then fix (if possible) the problem and then bring them back to body temperature. He also goes into the subject of what we call Near Death Experiences, but he doesn't feel that's what they should be called. He says they should be called Actual Death Experiences. I haven't got through the whole book yet and he has only just started to talk about that side of it. But it is an interesting read so far. I realize that my ex probably could have been resuscitated if the hospital or EMS had done that type of procedure. He had a blocked right aorta artery. The procedure is changing the amount of time a person can be dead before irreparable cellular death happens. I think the claims and statements Sam Parnia has made about resuscitation and the procedures that should be used/not used is well documented. It is when he starts to try to validate his belief that the mind exists outside of the body that his train comes off the tracks. He should also be given credit for setting up experiments to verify NDEs by suspending images/words/numbers in various locations so when the patient claims to have risen above the operating table and able to look down and observe, a common claim, they would also be in a position to see the suspended items. So far there have been no hits. Sometimes people are very good in one area but then fall down in other areas. Linus Pauling, Nobel Prize in Chemistry and the Nobel Peace Prize. His ideas and research into mega-doses of vitamin C - not so successful.
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Post by fred on Oct 26, 2014 7:15:58 GMT -5
Im sure if you ask most mature doctors they too will admit a mystery to unexplained healings of patients. Not knowing something just means you don't know. I don't know why rat, but your new avatar reminds me of a grace we sing, "to he who doth the ravens feed............"
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Post by matisse on Oct 26, 2014 7:25:45 GMT -5
Not knowing something just means you don't know. I don't know why rat, but your new avatar reminds me of a grace we sing, "to he who doth the ravens feed............" ....to he who doth a raven's feet, and Lily's clothes a beauty us stress?
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Post by bubbles on Oct 26, 2014 7:33:47 GMT -5
Not knowing something just means you don't know. I don't know why rat, but your new avatar reminds me of a grace we sing, "to he who doth the ravens feed............" Errm Fred Thats not a new grace. I remember that at convention. Yonks ago.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 26, 2014 7:36:41 GMT -5
As a preschooler
"All things living god doth feed"...(UK) "He supplies our every need" "For his mercies we ensure" "Ever grateful ever sure."
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Post by rational on Oct 26, 2014 7:42:50 GMT -5
Not knowing something just means you don't know. I don't know why rat, but your new avatar reminds me of a grace we sing, "to he who doth the ravens feed............" I heard that was one of Poe's favorite hymns too! But isn't it a quote from one of Shakespeare's plays?
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