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Post by bubbles on Sept 16, 2014 20:00:28 GMT -5
Anyone around these walls read any of this chaps writings?
Interesting!
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Post by faune on Sept 18, 2014 1:15:35 GMT -5
Anyone around these walls read any of this chaps writings? Interesting! Bubbles ~ Snow has read his books, but she's taking a much needed break from TMB these days. From what I have read on Gerald Massey myself, I believe he would be considered a mythicist today along with the other names listed below. These folks believe that the entire Bible is nothing more than a collection of myths from the mystery religions surrounding ancient Egypt and Rome with different characters and storyline instituted along the way. They also believe that much of the Old Testament is taken from Sumerian and Babylonian legends or myths passed down through the ages and slightly changed. Tom Harpur, who wrote "The Pagan Christ" also subscribes to this opinion surrounding the Old Testament stories and the gospel accounts relating to Jesus. The book entitled "The 12th Planet" by Zecharia Sitchin, deals with early creation story surrounding the Flood, Tower of Babel, and the Nephilim or fallen angels who married the daughters of men in the book of Genesis. Sitchin's book is centered around these Sumerian legends relating to the Creation story. In fact, if you like good science fiction stories, this is the book for you.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Massey
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Post by bubbles on Sept 18, 2014 3:52:58 GMT -5
Thanks faune. I read parts of his writing found it swamped me a bit. I have said many times that Christianity has to work for me and it has. Ive tested God with money. With prayer. With other things. He has always been faithful. When I read/hear that religion was a plan to control the masses designed hundreds of yrs ago and the enduring onslaught of atheists speaking against what I have experienced as true. I try To keep my kind open but there are other reasons I'm looking at this. Personal reasons.
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Post by faune on Sept 19, 2014 13:19:40 GMT -5
Thanks faune. I read parts of his writing found it swamped me a bit. I have said many times that Christianity has to work for me and it has. Ive tested God with money. With prayer. With other things. He has always been faithful. When I read/hear that religion was a plan to control the masses designed hundreds of yrs ago and the enduring onslaught of atheists speaking against what I have experienced as true. I try To keep my kind open but there are other reasons I'm looking at this. Personal reasons. Bubbles ~ I feel it's always good to keep open to new possibilities in our search for truth in this life. Christianity also works for me in similar ways you mentioned above and my belief in a Creator God remains very much intact, although I have surveyed the writings of atheists, agnostics, and many others down through the years. My purpose in doing this has been to understand one another better and to be able to relate on a knowledgeable level. I personally feel that apart from religion, we all have a lot in common and its that common ground I like to reach in my postings and inquiries here on line.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 19, 2014 16:35:45 GMT -5
Here is some comments about Massey's work from wiki
"Christian theologian W. Ward Gasque, a Ph.D. from Harvard and Manchester University, sent emails to twenty Egyptologists that he considered leaders of the field - including Kenneth Kitchen of the University of Liverpool and Ron Leprohan of the University of Toronto - in Canada, the United States, Britain, Australia, Germany and Austria to verify academic support for some of these assertions.
His primary targets were Tom Harpur, Alvin Boyd Kuhn and the Christ myth theory, and only indirectly Massey.
Ten out of twenty responded, but most were not named.
According to Gasque, Massey's work, which draws comparisons between the Judeo-Christian religion and the Egyptian religion, is not considered significant in the field of modern Egyptology and is not mentioned in the Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt or similar reference works of modern Egyptology.[8]
Gasque reports that those who responded were unanimous in dismissing the proposed etymologies for Jesus and Christ, and one unspecified Egyptologist referred to Alvin Boyd Kuhn's comparison as "fringe nonsense."[8][unreliable source?]
However, Harpur's response to Gasque quotes leading contemporary Egyptologist Erik Hornung that there are parallels between Christianity and ancient Egypt,[9] as do the writings of biblical expert Thomas L. Thompson.[10]
Theologian Stanley E. Porter has pointed out that Massey's analogies include a number of errors, e.g.
Massey stated that December 25 as the date of birth of Jesus was selected based on the birth of Horus, but the New Testament does not include any reference to the date or season of the birth of Jesus.[11][12][13]
The earliest known source recognizing the 25th of December as the date of birth of Jesus is by Hippolytus of Rome, written around the beginning of the 3rd century, based on the assumption that the conception of Jesus took place at the Spring equinox.
Hippolytus placed the equinox on March 25 and then added 9 months to get December 25, thus establishing the date for festivals.[14] The Roman Chronography of 354 then included an early reference to the celebration of a Nativity feast in December, as of the fourth century.[15]
Porter states that Massey's serious historical errors often render his works nonsensical, e.g. Massey states that the biblical references to Herod the Great were based on the myth of "Herrut" the evil hydra serpent, while the existence of Herod the Great can be well established without reliance on Christian sources.[11]"
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