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Post by faune on Aug 30, 2014 2:52:46 GMT -5
Matt10 ~ I hope you don't take exception to me considering you a deist, as you seem to believe more in the natural laws of nature? Here's an excerpt from the Wiki article on Deism, describing what I mean here. Thomas Jefferson was also a deist. However, there are many forms of deists as there are also of atheists and Christians. However, basically we all fall into one big melting pot of humanity, IMHO.
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Post by rational on Aug 30, 2014 8:46:56 GMT -5
What my God of Nature does do however is make the grass grow, make the sun rise, makes the rain fall and creates much beauty and wonderment. If you cut yer finger my God of Nature will heal it unless of course you cut it off completely in which case you're pretty much screwed. One of the best things about my God over your God is that my God doesn't make absurd claims that it can do anything, including restoring your missing finger or your amputated limb, when it quite clearly cannot. Your GoN sounds suspiciously like a universe following the laws of physics and the events determined by a random event generator! I have a feeling your GoN functions very close to my... - well - .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 10:26:19 GMT -5
Matt10 ~ I hope you don't take exception to me considering you a deist, as you seem to believe more in the natural laws of nature? Here's an excerpt from the Wiki article on Deism, describing what I mean here. Thomas Jefferson was also a deist. However, there are many forms of deists as there are also of atheists and Christians. However, basically we all fall into one big melting pot of humanity, IMHO. Faune Fear not, I rarely take exception to anything posted on the board except, perhaps the posting of links, youtube videos and quotes from scripture which I never read. As I said earlier I don't exactly embrace box putting of any kind whether it be a deist, theist, atheist, racist, fascist, communist, dentist, sadist, masochist or any other box. Indeed I'm not even sure what a deist is and I certainly don't generally wake up in the morning with a burning desire to be one. I have to confess that I never quite understand the frequent attempts by certain TMB Members to attach group labels to people; we are all different and all likely to have widely differing values, viewpoints and beliefs particularly when it comes to the nature of our particular Gods. That said, as I pointed out to Scott, if you really feel the need to put me in a box then please put me in the non-belief in the Christian God box as I guess I can live with that. Of course there are many other Gods in which I don't believe either however I generally only have the capacity to really disbelieve in one God at a time and as I find the Christian version to be perhaps the most unbelievable I'm happy to be boxed up like that. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 10:35:24 GMT -5
What my God of Nature does do however is make the grass grow, make the sun rise, makes the rain fall and creates much beauty and wonderment. If you cut yer finger my God of Nature will heal it unless of course you cut it off completely in which case you're pretty much screwed. One of the best things about my God over your God is that my God doesn't make absurd claims that it can do anything, including restoring your missing finger or your amputated limb, when it quite clearly cannot. Your GoN sounds suspiciously like a universe following the laws of physics and the events determined by a random event generator! I have a feeling your GoN functions very close to my... - well - . Now don't YOU start going down that road ...... I've already had Scott claiming similarities in beliefs. If we all take that approach we'll all end up as a right agreeable bunch and what good can possibly come of that? Goodness knows, people who have left might even come back. Mat10
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Post by faune on Aug 30, 2014 10:58:47 GMT -5
Matt10 ~ I hope you don't take exception to me considering you a deist, as you seem to believe more in the natural laws of nature? Here's an excerpt from the Wiki article on Deism, describing what I mean here. Thomas Jefferson was also a deist. However, there are many forms of deists as there are also of atheists and Christians. However, basically we all fall into one big melting pot of humanity, IMHO. Faune Fear not, I rarely take exception to anything posted on the board except, perhaps the posting of links, youtube videos and quotes from scripture which I never read. As I said earlier I don't exactly embrace box putting of any kind whether it be a deist, theist, atheist, racist, fascist, communist, dentist, sadist, masochist or any other box. Indeed I'm not even sure what a deist is and I certainly don't generally wake up in the morning with a burning desire to be one. I have to confess that I never quite understand the frequent attempts by certain TMB Members to attach group labels to people; we are all different and all likely to have widely differing values, viewpoints and beliefs particularly when it comes to the nature of our particular Gods. That said, as I pointed out to Scott, if you really feel the need to put me in a box then please put me in the non-belief in the Christian God box as I guess I can live with that. Of course there are many other Gods in which I don't believe either however I generally only have the capacity to really disbelieve in one God at a time and as I find the Christian version to be perhaps the most unbelievable I'm happy to be boxed up like that. Matt10 Matt10 ~ No problem. However, a deist is basically an unbeliever in the Christian God and perhaps a few others added for good measure? They also vary in some of their beliefs as do Christians. In addition, I don't like labels or boxes myself, so understand yoru sentiment here. I really wasn't trying to put you in one of these categories. Just saying that perhaps deist would be the closest to what you described earlier.
As far as adding links for reference, I just do that as a policy for anybody who wants to check out the information I provided. I find it alleviates a lot of questions and confusion for some who want to explore the subject further or wonder why I came to such a conclusion? Whether or not readers of my posts check out my links is up to them. I dont' care either way. I do it only as a courtesy and to back up an opinion, when I feel it may be helpful.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 30, 2014 16:53:26 GMT -5
Matt10 ~ I hope you don't take exception to me considering you a deist, as you seem to believe more in the natural laws of nature? Here's an excerpt from the Wiki article on Deism, describing what I mean here. Thomas Jefferson was also a deist. However, there are many forms of deists as there are also of atheists and Christians. However, basically we all fall into one big melting pot of humanity, IMHO.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
Seems this "god" of nature just stops short of where the Christian God continues on. Whether it is the people who can't move beyond that stage or perhaps it is more likely the gods who can't or who can! I have always been sort of a natural god worshipper as I love nature...I love how the seasons pass and come around again....earth renewal...just as nature renews in other ways! But then I read the Psalm that says that the heavens and the earth in all of their glory show forth God's handiwork....that comes from a Christian God book! So it does seem that one just has to stop short of that the Psalm says in order to be the "deism" that you explain above....and if we're to believe the Psalmist in his observations, then we have to go on beyond that point of nature! I have no idea if either one is more important then the other in the realm of life on earth! I'm always plum flummoxed when I hear people say they are atheists and that when they die, they're dead! No more essence of themselves anywhere, the closest being any offspring they have had! I can see where that could lead to having large families, just in order that our essence is not lost for several generations at least....going from grand to great grands many times over, eh?
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Post by rational on Aug 30, 2014 21:54:38 GMT -5
I have always been sort of a natural god worshipper as I love nature...I love how the seasons pass and come around again....earth renewal...just as nature renews in other ways! But then I read the Psalm that says that the heavens and the earth in all of their glory show forth God's handiwork....that comes from a Christian God book! So it does seem that one just has to stop short of that the Psalm says in order to be the "deism" that you explain above....and if we're to believe the Psalmist in his observations, then we have to go on beyond that point of nature! I have no idea if either one is more important then the other in the realm of life on earth! Remember that the person writing the Psalms was looking at the same wonders of the universe but did not have your advantage, for example, of knowing why the seasons change. To be wonderful and mysterious does not require the handiwork of any paranormal being. I wonder whether theists or atheists have the larger family.
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Post by Persona non grata on Sept 4, 2014 13:55:30 GMT -5
... Just to be clear, my God of Nature does not save souls, raise people from the dead, make promises of a glorious afterwards, become jealous, seek vengeance, send famine or pestilence upon the land nor cast adulterers into hell. My God of Nature doesn't love you or care about you, is unconcerned about what you get up to in the bedroom, is not moved by pity nor does it get any more of a kick out of one sinner who repenteth than ninety and nine who don't. In fact my God of Nature really doesn't give a hoot about anyone. What my God of Nature does do however is make the grass grow, make the sun rise, makes the rain fall and creates much beauty and wonderment. If you cut yer finger my God of Nature will heal it unless of course you cut it off completely in which case you're pretty much screwed. One of the best things about my God over your God is that my God doesn't make absurd claims that it can do anything, including restoring your missing finger or your amputated limb, when it quite clearly cannot. ... Are you sure that it's not your God of Nature who's responsible for famine and pestilence upon the land?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 4, 2014 15:20:51 GMT -5
I'm always plum flummoxed when I hear people say they are atheists and that when they die, they're dead! No more essence of themselves anywhere, the closest being any offspring they have had! I can see where that could lead to having large families, just in order that our essence is not lost for several generations at least....going from grand to great grands many times over, eh? Somehow I have a feeling that what leads to large families has a lot more to do with something beside thinking that they want to pass on their "essence "
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Post by no name on Sept 8, 2014 1:38:40 GMT -5
Does this make it Edgar's second 'departure' from the boards? I'd heard he (formally?) left some time ago but noticed since then that he was still around. Somehow I doubt he's really gone for good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 13:47:43 GMT -5
I don't know, been asking that myself. He hasn't been on for a long time. Nathan seems to think he's Valiant Thor but I don't think so. NathanB is very confused and has been misguided by reading some of the people who have no regard for the true story but only want to publish whatever they feel will fill their pockets. Why would this Ram want to be me? I don't want to be Ram.Soon I hope the truth will be shown to Nathan and he will be back on track. Commander Valiant ThorHi Val (I hope it's ok to call you Val, Val?) I am glad to see we have so much in common. I don't want to be me either. That's why I want to be YOU! By the way, I was speaking to Dorothy (Irvine) the other day and she told me to say "Hi!" Thought I'd better let you know that I am still reading the books.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Sept 22, 2014 10:51:52 GMT -5
NathanB is very confused and has been misguided by reading some of the people who have no regard for the true story but only want to publish whatever they feel will fill their pockets. Why would this Ram want to be me? I don't want to be Ram.Soon I hope the truth will be shown to Nathan and he will be back on track. Commander Valiant Thor Hi Val (I hope it's ok to call you Val, Val?) I am glad to see we have so much in common. I don't want to be me either. That's why I want to be YOU! By the way, I was speaking to Dorothy (Irvine) the other day and she told me to say "Hi!" Thought I'd better let you know that I am still reading the books. Ram, Val is just fine! I was never to make Stranges understand that my name was Val and not Valiant. I think he was just confused about that and so many things! NathanB will, I sense, be fine now that Stranges has moved on and has stopped creating fiction. I have tried to warn NathanB about the errors of his understanding but, so far, to no avail. Give it time. Give my best to Dorothy and the rest of the team. The last conference we had went well but we need to have another to tie up some lose ends. Val
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 11:15:18 GMT -5
Hi Val (I hope it's ok to call you Val, Val?) I am glad to see we have so much in common. I don't want to be me either. That's why I want to be YOU! By the way, I was speaking to Dorothy (Irvine) the other day and she told me to say "Hi!" Thought I'd better let you know that I am still reading the books. Ram, Val is just fine! I was never to make Stranges understand that my name was Val and not Valiant. I think he was just confused about that and so many things! NathanB will, I sense, be fine now that Stranges has moved on and has stopped creating fiction. I have tried to warn NathanB about the errors of his understanding but, so far, to no avail. Give it time. Give my best to Dorothy and the rest of the team. The last conference we had went well but we need to have another to tie up some lose ends. Val Hi Val, many thanks for your early reply and so glad to hear you are fine. Speaking to you feels so much like I'm talking to myself. It's the great understanding between us I'm sure. Stranges is the Stranges character I've ever come across. He was all "pent" up and then "gone!" All these stories he came out with. Yet he denied the fact that Ms D. Irvine even existed. Dorothy will be glad to hear your acknowledgement. She doesn't get much of that nowadays. Sad. It really is. Nathan will come good in time. We must show him patience. He's such a good fellow too! The next conference is scheduled for 768932 qi on 235th Zung (Ickity ickity plip time and date) at the Great Hall, Ickity Centre for Advanced Inter-Galactic Communications. Will be great to see you there. We are to bring our own pajamas and dog biscuits. Maybe we should invite Nathan along? It would clear up a few things! Yours as ever. Val.....eh, I mean Ram!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 11:36:57 GMT -5
I guess so Nathan. Here's a bit of confirmation. www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Mhd3vsgNgYou're busted Ram! Well, I meant TMB Valiant Thor. As Paul Harvey said, "Now you know the REST of the story! Good day." Now you've gone and spoiled everything Nathan my friend. I can fool the whole of TMB but not you! I'm away back to my hole in the Pentagon. Lake Meade will be icing over soon as well!
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Sept 22, 2014 11:41:37 GMT -5
Ram, Val is just fine! I was never to make Stranges understand that my name was Val and not Valiant. I think he was just confused about that and so many things! NathanB will, I sense, be fine now that Stranges has moved on and has stopped creating fiction. I have tried to warn NathanB about the errors of his understanding but, so far, to no avail. Give it time. Give my best to Dorothy and the rest of the team. The last conference we had went well but we need to have another to tie up some lose ends. Val Hi Val, many thanks for your early reply and so glad to hear you are fine. Speaking to you feels so much like I'm talking to myself. It's the great understanding between us I'm sure. Stranges is the Stranges character I've ever come across. He was all "pent" up and then "gone!" All these stories he came out with. Yet he denied the fact that Ms D. Irvine even existed. Dorothy will be glad to hear your acknowledgement. She doesn't get much of that nowadays. Sad. It really is. Nathan will come good in time. We must show him patience. He's such a good fellow too! The next conference is scheduled for 768932 qi on 235th Zung (Ickity ickity plip time and date) at the Great Hall, Ickity Centre for Advanced Inter-Galactic Communications. Will be great to see you there. We are to bring our own pajamas and dog biscuits. Maybe we should invite Nathan along? It would clear up a few things! Yours as ever. Val.....eh, I mean Ram! That does sound like a plan! A good plan. Thank you. Or do I mean me? Joking is difficult for me (you) because it unheard of in my circles. I am studying the use of puns as humor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 14:42:26 GMT -5
Hi Val, many thanks for your early reply and so glad to hear you are fine. Speaking to you feels so much like I'm talking to myself. It's the great understanding between us I'm sure. Stranges is the Stranges character I've ever come across. He was all "pent" up and then "gone!" All these stories he came out with. Yet he denied the fact that Ms D. Irvine even existed. Dorothy will be glad to hear your acknowledgement. She doesn't get much of that nowadays. Sad. It really is. Nathan will come good in time. We must show him patience. He's such a good fellow too! The next conference is scheduled for 768932 qi on 235th Zung (Ickity ickity plip time and date) at the Great Hall, Ickity Centre for Advanced Inter-Galactic Communications. Will be great to see you there. We are to bring our own pajamas and dog biscuits. Maybe we should invite Nathan along? It would clear up a few things! Yours as ever. Val.....eh, I mean Ram! That does sound like a plan! A good plan. Thank you. Or do I mean me? Joking is difficult for me (you) because it unheard of in my circles. I am studying the use of puns as humor. We...I mean "I".....no, I mean "You!" (I think?) should start with this joke/pun. Let me know if it makes any sense to you? Q. Why is Canis lupus familiaris attracted to our dear friend Nathan? A. Because it is a barker! If you feel a sudden urge to laugh, this is an indication that you are starting to understand humour/jokes etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 14:51:30 GMT -5
Be very careful with your pranks, RAM. People might NOT take what you post seriously when you're telling the truth. I read Dorthy's letter thread again, and some people were NOT very Happy with your prank. You played people emotions, feelings. Maybe it is funny to you but NOT to other people who are reading here. Nathan, I am not the author or organiser of the Telling the Truth website, and as far as I can recall have not made any contributions there? However, other people have accused the site owner(s) of telling lies or have not taken seriously what is presented there. Therefore this act of unbelief appears to be fairly common. As you know only too well, Dorothy Irvine's letter was provided as the missing link that you have always been waiting for. Now all I get from you is ingratitude for being of great assistance to you. I notice you have kept a copy of the letter. I provide you with absolute proof and all I get from you is condemnation! Is this a prank you are playing on me? I get quite emotional about such things. I get very sensitive about accusations about me which are true. Always make sure that your accusations against me are untrue and I will happily take responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 15:11:31 GMT -5
Nathan, I am not the author or organiser of the Telling the Truth website, and as far as I can recall have not made any contributions there? However, other people have accused the site owner(s) of telling lies or have not taken seriously what is presented there. Therefore this act of unbelief appears to be fairly common. As you know only too well, Dorothy Irvine's letter was provided as the missing link that you have always been waiting for. Now all I get from you is ingratitude for being of great assistance to you. I notice you have kept a copy of the letter. I provide you with absolute proof and all I get from you is condemnation! Is this a prank you are playing on me? I get quite emotional about such things. I get very sensitive about accusations about me which are true. Always make sure that your accusations against me are untrue and I will happily take responsibility. You're getting ridiculous more and more these days! with your posts as RAM/VT. Stop, before people will begin to think you're a nut case. Nathan, why should people withdraw to the position of "only" thinking that I am a nut case, when they already "know" full well that I am? You must think more carefully before you post my dear friend. Val......eh, I mean Ram
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 22, 2014 15:15:38 GMT -5
Nathan, I am not the author or organiser of the Telling the Truth website, and as far as I can recall have not made any contributions there? However, other people have accused the site owner(s) of telling lies or have not taken seriously what is presented there. Therefore this act of unbelief appears to be fairly common. As you know only too well, Dorothy Irvine's letter was provided as the missing link that you have always been waiting for. Now all I get from you is ingratitude for being of great assistance to you. I notice you have kept a copy of the letter. I provide you with absolute proof and all I get from you is condemnation! Is this a prank you are playing on me? I get quite emotional about such things. I get very sensitive about accusations about me which are true. Always make sure that your accusations against me are untrue and I will happily take responsibility. You're getting ridiculous more and more these days! with your posts as RAM/VT. Stop, before people will begin to think you're a nut case. oooh, nathan! Watch it!
You are beginning to sound like one nut case addressing another nut case!
Or maybe you don't like to have competition In the division of "nutcases?"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 15:25:45 GMT -5
oooh, nathan! Watch it!
You are beginning to sound like one nut case addressing another nut case!
Or maybe you don't like to have competition In the division of "nutcases?"
I thought you had me on ignore list?i think that was the real dmmichgood, not me?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 15:36:11 GMT -5
So you weren't fooled by me not posting as the real dmmichgood, but posted in a way to try and make you think that it was me who posted as the real dmmichgood?
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Sept 23, 2014 9:05:53 GMT -5
Nathan, I am not the author or organiser of the Telling the Truth website, and as far as I can recall have not made any contributions there? However, other people have accused the site owner(s) of telling lies or have not taken seriously what is presented there. Therefore this act of unbelief appears to be fairly common. As you know only too well, Dorothy Irvine's letter was provided as the missing link that you have always been waiting for. Now all I get from you is ingratitude for being of great assistance to you. I notice you have kept a copy of the letter. I provide you with absolute proof and all I get from you is condemnation! Is this a prank you are playing on me? I get quite emotional about such things. I get very sensitive about accusations about me which are true. Always make sure that your accusations against me are untrue and I will happily take responsibility. You're getting ridiculous more and more these days! with your posts as RAM/VT. Stop, before people will begin to think you're a nut case. NathanB, I think there are people who are just having some fun with these posts. You know that people will only do this sort of thing is they know you can take it. I also agree with your last statement, too. I hope you keep posting because I find some of what you post to be revealing and it tells a lot about you. I still have high hopes for you NathanB. Watching out for you - Commander Valiant Thor
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Post by Just Plain Jane on Sept 23, 2014 9:34:20 GMT -5
You're getting ridiculous more and more these days! with your posts as RAM/VT. Stop, before people will begin to think you're a nut case. Nathan ~ I think there are people who are just having some fun? You know that people will only do this sort of thing is they know you can take it IMHO? I also agree with your last statement, too. I hope you keep posting because I find some of what you post to be revealing and it tells a lot about you? Does anyone else think this is odd?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 23, 2014 10:43:47 GMT -5
You're getting ridiculous more and more these days! with your posts as RAM/VT. Stop, before people will begin to think you're a nut case. oooh, nathan! Watch it!
You are beginning to sound like one nut case addressing another nut case!
Or maybe you don't like to have competition In the division of "nutcases?"
Ahhh now, DMG! Surely you've heard about the situations that says it takes one to know one? Well if that's the case and Ram's a nut case, Nathan is a nut case for knowing he is a nut case and then you're a nut case because you've noticed Nathan's a nut case, and then I come along and find you're a nut case for noticing Nathan's a nut case, etc
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 28, 2014 0:42:07 GMT -5
Nathan ~ I think there are people who are just having some fun? You know that people will only do this sort of thing is they know you can take it IMHO? I also agree with your last statement, too. I hope you keep posting because I find some of what you post to be revealing and it tells a lot about you? Does anyone else think this is odd? Yes, it is very odd! It is obviously faune posting under the picture, avatar & name of Cmdr Val Thor ! 23 Sep 2014 at 09:05 Cmdr Val Thor said: NathanB Avatar 22 Sep 2014 at 15:04 NathanB said: You're getting ridiculous more and more these days! with your posts as RAM/VT. Stop, before people will begin to think you're a nut case. Nathan ~ I think there are people who are just having some fun? You know that people will only do this sort of thing is they know you can take it IMHO? I also agree with your last statement, too. I hope you keep posting because I find some of what you post to be revealing and it tells a lot about you?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 28, 2014 0:45:09 GMT -5
oooh, nathan! Watch it!
You are beginning to sound like one nut case addressing another nut case!
Or maybe you don't like to have competition In the division of "nutcases?"
I thought you had me on ignore list? Please, keep me on your ignore list. I do have you on the ignore list, Nathan. However, occasionally I will check & see if you have anything new. Usually I needn't bother!
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 28, 2014 0:47:34 GMT -5
oooh, nathan! Watch it!
You are beginning to sound like one nut case addressing another nut case!
Or maybe you don't like to have competition In the division of "nutcases?"
Ahhh now, DMG! Surely you've heard about the situations that says it takes one to know one? Well if that's the case and Ram's a nut case, Nathan is a nut case for knowing he is a nut case and then you're a nut case because you've noticed Nathan's a nut case, and then I come along and find you're a nut case for noticing Nathan's a nut case, etc OMG! so it shows?
Does that also mean you are a "nut case" because you keep tract of us?
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Sept 29, 2014 15:41:06 GMT -5
It has been a long hot Summer even by the standards of Venus. And there has been so much for everyone to get done. NathanB has been working hard as well so I am asking everyone to just give him a little space and not point out his every error? I am soon going to have to take leave of you for a time to accomplish the situations I have been tasked with in a different part of what you call the solar system. I will return sometime but until I do I am hopeful that people will work together towards a common good. And remember @natnan9, I have high hopes for you and I know you can put much of the confusion you post behind you and shine like the star you are.
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