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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 16:36:20 GMT -5
Walker ~ With the 2x2 ban on TV, radio, and inspirational outside literature over the years, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't a bit depressed with nothing entertaining or comforting to challenge their mind? Although some of these bans have been lifted in recent years, it's a real shame how much people are deprived of interaction with their world due to their religious beliefs! Such isolation is not healthy and perhaps would be more detrimental to one's mental health than anything else? Makes me wonder if such isolation isn't one of the reasons why so many friends and workers suffer from depression and anxiety within the 2x2's? It really depends on the temperament of the person. However, I would say that most of the friends I know are more aware of what's going on in the world than the average, at least as far as newsworthy events and politics are concerned. I've learned this in surprising ways at times. For example, my wife and I went to see Barbara Colorossa give a talk when our kids were still in school. We didn't discuss this with any of the friends; seemed like the kind of thing they would stay away from. There were probably 10 couples from our area at her talk. The same thing happened when I went with a business associate to see Preston Manning give a speech. Quite a number of the friends were there. I could go on with a number of other things. However, reclusiveness can be addictive, and I wouldn't be surprised if some friends might yield to that. But so do "worldly" folks. I would agree with that. Most friends are pretty aware of the world around them. There is a core of sycophants who,while they may be quite aware, they really filter the news and information through a 2x2 lens. They typically find ways to see the world, the flesh and the devil in all of it, and attempt to keep themselves "clean" from it. Most friends who work in the public and have businesses are much more realistic and participatory in the community around them, and don't see a boogieman around every corner.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 16:43:56 GMT -5
I wished professing folks in nursing homes could spend the time watching TV, playing bingo or listening to gospel music in the conference room. T be unable to move and have nothing to do would be BORING! I remember visiting some older saints and noticing how they would sit around with the lights turned off. The last days can be good days if we are engaged in something we enjoy. As long as we aren't in pain and have a sound mind, we don't have to spend the last days in isolation. Walker ~ With the 2x2 ban on TV, radio, and inspirational outside literature over the years, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't a bit depressed with nothing entertaining or comforting to challenge their mind? Although some of these bans have been lifted in recent years, it's a real shame how much people are deprived of interaction with their world due to their religious beliefs! Such isolation is not healthy and perhaps would be more detrimental to one's mental health than anything else? Makes me wonder if such isolation isn't one of the reasons why so many friends and workers suffer from depression and anxiety within the 2x2's? i've lived with and without a TV over the years i find there is more peace if you don't have one. i've never heard of a ban on literature though...
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Post by What Hat on Jun 7, 2014 17:00:12 GMT -5
Walker ~ With the 2x2 ban on TV, radio, and inspirational outside literature over the years, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't a bit depressed with nothing entertaining or comforting to challenge their mind? Although some of these bans have been lifted in recent years, it's a real shame how much people are deprived of interaction with their world due to their religious beliefs! Such isolation is not healthy and perhaps would be more detrimental to one's mental health than anything else? Makes me wonder if such isolation isn't one of the reasons why so many friends and workers suffer from depression and anxiety within the 2x2's? i've lived with and without a TV over the years i find there is more peace if you don't have one. i've never heard of a ban on literature though... I think she said "inspirational outside literature". NO DEEPAK CHOPRA!
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Post by faune on Jun 7, 2014 18:24:04 GMT -5
i've lived with and without a TV over the years i find there is more peace if you don't have one. i've never heard of a ban on literature though... I think she said "inspirational outside literature". NO DEEPAK CHOPRA! Actually, back in my professing days, any visit to a Christian bookstore was considered taboo!! That would include reading any Christian literature or inspiration books! I guess the workers were afraid of you catching on to the outside world's concept of the gospel message that differed from their own version? Whatever the reason for their directive, I felt it was pretty paranoid on their part. What are your thoughts on this strange practice of avoiding Christian bookstores?
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Post by What Hat on Jun 7, 2014 18:31:27 GMT -5
I think she said "inspirational outside literature". NO DEEPAK CHOPRA! Actually, back in my professing days, any visit to a Christian bookstore was considered taboo!! That would include reading any Christian literature or inspiration books! I guess the workers were afraid of you catching on to the outside world's concept of the gospel message that differed from their own version? Whatever the reason for their directive, I felt it was pretty paranoid on their part. What are your thoughts on this strange practice of avoiding Christian bookstores? My thoughts are that it is strange. "Don't want the friends led astray by half-truths and deception." But, as more than one of the younger friends has remarked from time to time, "Please give us a little more credit".
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Post by faune on Jun 7, 2014 19:45:01 GMT -5
Actually, back in my professing days, any visit to a Christian bookstore was considered taboo!! That would include reading any Christian literature or inspiration books! I guess the workers were afraid of you catching on to the outside world's concept of the gospel message that differed from their own version? Whatever the reason for their directive, I felt it was pretty paranoid on their part. What are your thoughts on this strange practice of avoiding Christian bookstores? My thoughts are that it is strange. "Don't want the friends led astray by half-truths and deception." But, as more than one of the younger friends has remarked from time to time, "Please give us a little more credit". What Hat ~ I agree, people deserve a little credit in the area of distinguishing between what is a good or bad influence! However, I also remember the suggestion made to friends by workers to burn anything that comes in "brown envelopes" from ex-members without even opening it to avoid the influence of any lies they may be peddling. Also, back in my earlier days, it was suggested that you have no contact with people who once stopped professing, since they might influence you in the wrong way.
Honestly, it was paranoia like this that really got me wondering about what they were trying to squelch or cover-up by their suggestions? Obviously, I discovered for myself eventually and became just another one of those shunned by the fellowship due to my bad spirit.
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Post by rational on Jun 8, 2014 1:03:30 GMT -5
I think she said "inspirational outside literature". NO DEEPAK CHOPRA! (rofl) Sounds good to me!
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Post by ellie on Jun 8, 2014 6:43:34 GMT -5
I think she said "inspirational outside literature". NO DEEPAK CHOPRA! Actually, back in my professing days, any visit to a Christian bookstore was considered taboo!! That would include reading any Christian literature or inspiration books! I guess the workers were afraid of you catching on to the outside world's concept of the gospel message that differed from their own version? Whatever the reason for their directive, I felt it was pretty paranoid on their part. What are your thoughts on this strange practice of avoiding Christian bookstores? Haha, I still feel uncomfortable in christian books stores. Weird! I've never actually heard that Christian bookstores are taboo, but I've somehow managed to pick up the sentiment.
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Post by faune on Jun 8, 2014 11:15:19 GMT -5
Actually, back in my professing days, any visit to a Christian bookstore was considered taboo!! That would include reading any Christian literature or inspiration books! I guess the workers were afraid of you catching on to the outside world's concept of the gospel message that differed from their own version? Whatever the reason for their directive, I felt it was pretty paranoid on their part. What are your thoughts on this strange practice of avoiding Christian bookstores? Haha, I still feel uncomfortable in christian books stores. Weird! I've never actually heard that Christian bookstores are taboo, but I've somehow managed to pick up the sentiment. Ellie ~ I'm sure anybody in their 60's and upwards would remember those good ole days! Actually, when I was a teenager, I remember the workers threatening to break off radio antennas on convention grounds to make their point concerning no radios allowed in their cars due to the worldly influence. Nothing like having your car vandalized by workers on convention grounds during night rounds, huh? Andrew Abernathy was one overseer in the East that advocated this practice, too!
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Post by SharonArnold on Jun 8, 2014 13:53:48 GMT -5
One overseer was asked about why worldly people have such a peace in their dying. The response was "the dead only know peace." Both the question and answer was rather a broad brush to paint all people who are dying. As I nurse I can tell you "peace" when dying is on a continuum like about everything else in life.
And I’ll bet there is no particularly strong correlation between belief or lack of belief either, with “peace” when dying.
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Post by xna on Jun 8, 2014 15:02:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 15:04:55 GMT -5
Without reading the studies, I would agree with that, it sounds perfectly logical.
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Post by xna on Jun 8, 2014 15:12:29 GMT -5
Without reading the studies, I would agree with that, it sounds perfectly logical. The pdf link doesn't seem to work as a cut and paste. Search "Does Religiousness Buffer Against the Fear of Death and Dying in Late Adulthood? Findings From a Longitudinal Study" for the original source material.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 8, 2014 15:17:16 GMT -5
Is there someone delusional on this board? Delusional! What ever makes you think that Bob?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 8, 2014 16:42:29 GMT -5
I guess, when people are taught to believe all things spoken by one group and to believe that a god is directing them in all things, they no longer use their brains. People on death beds are typically under the influence of some sort of mind-altering drug. All of them, whether believers of religion or not, whether cultists or not, slip from life to death peacefully. I've even heard of non-truthers dying while doing what they enjoy - falling over dead. No long drawn out ordeal, which is what is expected of all those who don't follow the 'one true way'. Can you believe it?? Non-truthers dying peacefully and without drugs! Egad! I've even heard tell of atheists dying peacefully. Gasp! I was believing you until you said the one about the Atheist. Yo don't believe an atheist can die peacefully?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 8, 2014 16:47:28 GMT -5
Walker ~ With the 2x2 ban on TV, radio, and inspirational outside literature over the years, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't a bit depressed with nothing entertaining or comforting to challenge their mind? Although some of these bans have been lifted in recent years, it's a real shame how much people are deprived of interaction with their world due to their religious beliefs! Such isolation is not healthy and perhaps would be more detrimental to one's mental health than anything else? Makes me wonder if such isolation isn't one of the reasons why so many friends and workers suffer from depression and anxiety within the 2x2's? i've lived with and without a TV over the years i find there is more peace if you don't have one. i've never heard of a ban on literature though... Oh yes, there's a ban on literature. Not everyone obeys it, of course, but I've heard at a funeral that people who believe in truth have no use for fiction. So I read everything, including the Bible.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 8, 2014 16:51:19 GMT -5
Is there someone delusional on this board? Delusional! What ever makes you think that Bob?
Sometimes my mouth just flops open when I read things, and I have to scratch my head in disbelief.
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Post by xna on Jun 8, 2014 17:19:49 GMT -5
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Post by jondough on Jun 8, 2014 23:36:54 GMT -5
I was believing you until you said the one about the Atheist. Yo don't believe an atheist can die peacefully? I should have put one of those winking guys on that quote
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 8, 2014 23:58:08 GMT -5
Yo don't believe an atheist can die peacefully? I should have put one of those winking guys on that quote I know some atheists who have died peacefully. Oddly enough their religious friends were the ones who were more disturbed about the event that they and their families were. Of course, atheists don't have the concern about what is going to happen to them once they do die.
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Post by matisse on Jun 9, 2014 6:32:42 GMT -5
Very well done. "TheraminTrees" refers to a documentary in which he talks about the process of adjustment when moving from belief to atheism. I'm going to look for that one....have you seen it, xna?
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Post by xna on Jun 9, 2014 8:26:42 GMT -5
Very well done. "TheraminTrees" refers to a documentary in which he talks about the process of adjustment when moving from belief to atheism. I'm going to look for that one....have you seen it, xna? No, but I will check that one out also. There are many films, on many subjects at topdocumentaryfilms.com which I would like to view. I like the documentary film catagory, and also like the free to view category. :-)
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Post by xna on Jun 9, 2014 10:05:20 GMT -5
Very well done. "TheraminTrees" refers to a documentary in which he talks about the process of adjustment when moving from belief to atheism. I'm going to look for that one....have you seen it, xna? No, but I will check that one out also. There are many films, on many subjects at topdocumentaryfilms.com which I would like to view. I like the documentary film catagory, and also like the free to view category. :-) I watched topdocumentaryfilms.com/there-are-no-gods/This one is also very well done. It starts out with ideas that anyone can relate to and understand. Later on it covers the most sophisticated arguments for gods that have been present throughout time, at a very fast pace. I would say it's one of the best videos on the subject that I have seen. I think you would need some time studying the bible and considering the god question to fully appreciate this film.
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Post by faune on Jun 13, 2014 12:03:03 GMT -5
No, but I will check that one out also. There are many films, on many subjects at topdocumentaryfilms.com which I would like to view. I like the documentary film catagory, and also like the free to view category. :-) You can subscribe to this site and get all their new ones come to your email to decide if you wish to watch them. Lots of great documentaries on here. I subscribe to this site which covers a number of different topics to explore. Last night I saw this documentary, which I also found quite insightful to watch. It definitely brings out how different things stressed with the earlier gospel of Mark changed over the decades in its focus due to the influence of the Catholic Church and blossomed into what believe today.
topdocumentaryfilms.com/secret-family-jesus/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 12:42:22 GMT -5
I tried to get my relatives in nursing homes to go and listen to the music, play bingo, and just mingle more with the residents in the geriatrics centers. No. They wanted to stay off in their room and not talk to anyone else. Some may say they were meditating but the sad looks said otherwise. They might have heard some of their own hymns being sung in the chapel.
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Post by Greg on Jun 13, 2014 12:48:06 GMT -5
Death to a Christian is GOING to heavenly home! To be absence from the Body is to be present with God. Death is the day of Rejoicing and NOT a day of mourning, to those who put their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. I thought death to the Christian was laying in the grave (or elsewhere) until the day of judgment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 14:38:19 GMT -5
If a person doesn't have peace in the last few days, weeks and months of their life, was their life spent in vain?? I have read about workers fearing a lost eternity on their deathbeds. Sad. Sooooo sad.
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Post by faune on Jun 13, 2014 15:10:07 GMT -5
I subscribe to this site which covers a number of different topics to explore. Last night I saw this documentary, which I also found quite insightful to watch. It definitely brings out how different things stressed with the earlier gospel of Mark changed over the decades in its focus due to the influence of the Catholic Church.
topdocumentaryfilms.com/secret-family-jesus/
Yes, I got that email this morning. Looks interesting. It seemed to verify some things I have read recently relating to early Christianity and how it blossomed out into what we have today.
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