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Post by blacksheep on May 6, 2014 9:42:58 GMT -5
Has anyone heard if the worker's retirement home at Redbud Canyon has been impacted by the wild fires near Guthrie, OK?
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Post by faune on May 6, 2014 12:01:21 GMT -5
Blacksheep ~ I wasn't aware that the workers now have retirement homes. Are there many of these places today for aging workers and who finances or run them?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 12:06:59 GMT -5
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Post by Greg on May 6, 2014 12:09:49 GMT -5
it appear that redbud is a retirement community that just happens to have alot of the workers residing at it... "Appear" being the operative word? Could be a worker retirement center that needs to allow others for extra revenue.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 12:11:25 GMT -5
it appear that redbud is a retirement community that just happens to have alot of the workers residing at it... "Appear" being the operative word? Could be a worker retirement center that needs to allow others for extra revenue. could be...
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Post by blacksheep on May 6, 2014 15:03:37 GMT -5
Faune, Redbud Canyon is the only one I am aware of, but there could be others, I'm not in the loop.... The folks who run Redbud Canyon put out a news letter from time to time, and below is an example of one from last year in August:
GREETINGS FROM REDBUD CANYON , AUGUST 31, 2013 Our cool summer is giving us one parting (we hope) blast, it was 100 yesterday and supposed to be 104 today before going back down. Our place is beautiful and green, the pond has some water in it and we enjoy the peace out here. The sun is bright, the flowers are blooming, the birds are singing, and we are content, knowing that God is on the throne, and we are in the place He has chosen for us. When I last wrote, I told you about Leslie Olsen being ready to go on and just waiting for that day. Well, here we have a classic case of "The spirit is willing, but the flesh..............is not!" He started eating again, first just breakfast, then later another meal, and there began to be more activity in his room. Tuesday, I went into his room and told him the doctor would be coming to see him the next day. He said, "What do you think he will say?" I replied, he may say "You have tried to die, and it didn't work, so now get up and do something and try to live". Leslie answered, "I've been thinking like that, too." Yesterday he was out in the great room, sitting at a table, sharpening some scissors and knives!! He may make it to his 103rd birthday on October 1. Ruth Dickson returned home to Redbud Canyon from the nursing home on the 20th and is doing quite well. She will have a birthday on the 21st, and Ted Rozema will be 94 a few days later. Ted returned home from his 7 week visit to relatives in Wyoming . His vision is poor, but his spirits are high. I may have already told you that several of our residents are going to conventions in other states, but I'll just list them again. Anna Conners is going to York , Nebraska , Imal Hartsock to Marysville , Kansas , and Blackwater , Missouri . Judy Williams to Independence , Kansas , Ruth Hobbs to Apopka , Florida , and she is going early to visit some. She will be gone 3 weeks. Charles Lauchner and Joy Widel are going to Blackwater , Missouri , and I hope to take Doyle Copeland to one day of Independence , Kansas . The rest of our group are content to wait for our conventions in Oklahoma which are the 3rd and 4th weekends of October. Our morning bible study is from 7:45 - 8:30, we all sit around the large dining room table and read a chapter. Each person reads one verse and it goes around until the chapter is finished, then we just have open discussion about the chapter or any thoughts it brings up. We have been using the same doctor for a long time, and he has started coming to Redbud every 5 weeks on a Wednesday morning to see all the residents. This past Wednesday, he arrived at 8:20 and wanted to join our study, so someone gave him their chair and bible and he sat and listened while we finished discussing Acts 12 and then sang a hymn. We never know what a day will bring, do we? All the residents I did not mention are well and enjoying their days here. Please come and visit, if you can, and share in this great atmosphere. Best wishes from all at Redbud Canyon
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Post by emy on May 6, 2014 15:08:49 GMT -5
I think this is not the facility where several workers live. Scott R has a connection and may have news if they were threatened.
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Post by blacksheep on May 6, 2014 15:38:17 GMT -5
I just found these pics, dated May 4th (among others) on the Facebook page of the lady who sends out the newsletters.
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Post by emy on May 6, 2014 15:40:51 GMT -5
I just found this pic (among others) on the Facebook page of the lady who sends out the newsletters. No comment about the situation??
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 15:43:11 GMT -5
Peacan Grove in TX and Redbud Canyon in OK.
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Post by blacksheep on May 6, 2014 15:44:28 GMT -5
emy, Her comment: "Wild fire about 1 1/2 miles west of us. We shouldn't be in any danger."
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Post by rational on May 6, 2014 17:54:54 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on May 6, 2014 18:01:43 GMT -5
Blacksheep ~ I wasn't aware that the workers now have retirement homes. Are there many of these places today for aging workers and who finances or run them? There is one in Las Vegas -- looks like she only takes in sister workers.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 6, 2014 18:04:02 GMT -5
Any of these guys senile enough yet to have started using foul language?
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Post by faune on May 6, 2014 18:07:18 GMT -5
Rational ~ I noticed all the men workers get to sit while the sister workers get to stand. What a bunch of gentlemen at this home!
Is this at the retirement home mentioned above?
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Post by BobWilliston on May 6, 2014 18:11:02 GMT -5
Blacksheep ~ I wasn't aware that the workers now have retirement homes. Are there many of these places today for aging workers and who finances or run them? There is one in Las Vegas -- looks like she only takes in sister workers. That might be for the protection of her elderly mother, whom she also cares for.
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Post by Greg on May 6, 2014 18:14:50 GMT -5
U.S. > Guthrie, OK > Other Business Services > Business Services, NEC > Unclassified > Redbud Canyon Redbud Canyon 3800 S Post Road Guthrie, OK 73044 - View Map Phone: (405) 260-1900 Redbud Canyon A privately held company in Guthrie, OK. Is this your business? Claim This Profile More Details for Redbud Canyon Categorized under Unclassified. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of 120000 and employs a staff of approximately 3. Company Contacts Is this your business? Claim This Profile Glenn Spunaugle Principal www.manta.com/c/mtvfpb9/redbud-canyon
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Post by sharingtheriches on May 6, 2014 18:15:45 GMT -5
Rational ~ I noticed all the men workers get to sit while the sister workers get to stand. What a bunch of gentlemen at this home!
Is this at the retirement home mentioned above?
Yes, Faune, all the clients in Redbud, presently are all workers...there may be some friends staying there as Helps for some of the lesser abled workers or they have in the past. Though with time and success, they've been able to hired some help to come and do what needs done. Most workers that get to needing more personal care and help usually are transferred to a nursing home somewhere...and as we read one sister worker had recovered enough to return to the Redbud Canyon assisted living quarters. The funds that the workers receive from the state such as SSI funds, NOT Social Security funds, help pay for their living there....also friends send funds now and then and contributions of good foodstuffs often find their way into the kitchen etc. even toiletry items, etc. The Spinogles have done great there and I know they feel they've provided a good service for the workers who are no longer really able....in the past most of these workers would have stayed in the work and a younger companion would have taken care of them until they either passed away or became totally unable to go..... I think Pecan Grove in Texas is much the same and perhaps has room for more clients.....
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Post by rational on May 6, 2014 18:25:19 GMT -5
Any of these guys senile enough yet to have started using foul language? It's just a photo. Tough to judge the language.
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Post by rational on May 6, 2014 18:28:54 GMT -5
Rational ~ I noticed all the men workers get to sit while the sister workers get to stand. What a bunch of gentlemen at this home! :D
Is this at the retirement home mentioned above?
The names of the people in the photo and the name and address of the establishment was written on the photo. I just posted the photo.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 6, 2014 18:54:14 GMT -5
Rational ~ I noticed all the men workers get to sit while the sister workers get to stand. What a bunch of gentlemen at this home!
Is this at the retirement home mentioned above?
They played themselves out in the gym.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 6:31:09 GMT -5
I haven't heard about the fires but our prayers are with them and all there at Redbud and in the area that they would be safe. My elderly folks had a fire bearing down on them a year ago and it wasn't fun for them and their neighbours. The aged care home is an interesting concept for the elderly workers - quite a good idea really in the context of friends wanting to look after their older workers. Years ago it was preached "that a worker never retires like the clergy do"....I guess this has changed quite dramatically as the population has aged. There are quite a few retired workers down under living in aged care homes - mostly run by various churches. They would receive the age pension which all folk over age 65 (subject to a means test) are eligible to do. 85% of the pension goes to the age care home and the government funds the rest of what it costs to keep older folk in care. I don't think any reasonable person would have a problem with our taxes going to fund these pensions and care in later years. However, it would be disingenuous if the workers still mocked the churches in their sermons and still claimed that they don't retire or receive any "salary" - the age pension is essentially that - just paid by taxpayers. I presume they have stopped making these statements - is that correct? in my area at least they aknowledge that the workers go on social security or welfare when they retire from the work...
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Post by sharingtheriches on May 7, 2014 9:32:11 GMT -5
Rational ~ I noticed all the men workers get to sit while the sister workers get to stand. What a bunch of gentlemen at this home!
Is this at the retirement home mentioned above?
They played themselves out in the gym. I think on the average the brother workers at Redbud are typically much older then the sisters...which may seem unusual, but not necessarily so as brother workers having been in such demand often do not get "retirement" status until their minds are playing tricks on them or their bodies! I know Doyle Hopkins had wanted to "retire" back in the late 1990's early 2000's due to his horrible deafness, but his body was quite strong at that time and GP and RT decided that Doyle should keep trying the best he could...of course it made it very hard on his companions and even himself as he could hear a sharp thunderclap! But he did remain a fairly good preacher through all of that and that was the need, I think!
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Post by sharingtheriches on May 7, 2014 9:39:04 GMT -5
I haven't heard about the fires but our prayers are with them and all there at Redbud and in the area that they would be safe. My elderly folks had a fire bearing down on them a year ago and it wasn't fun for them and their neighbours. The aged care home is an interesting concept for the elderly workers - quite a good idea really in the context of friends wanting to look after their older workers. Years ago it was preached "that a worker never retires like the clergy do"....I guess this has changed quite dramatically as the population has aged. There are quite a few retired workers down under living in aged care homes - mostly run by various churches. They would receive the age pension which all folk over age 65 (subject to a means test) are eligible to do. 85% of the pension goes to the age care home and the government funds the rest of what it costs to keep older folk in care. I don't think any reasonable person would have a problem with our taxes going to fund these pensions and care in later years. However, it would be disingenuous if the workers still mocked the churches in their sermons and still claimed that they don't retire or receive any "salary" - the age pension is essentially that - just paid by taxpayers. I presume they have stopped making these statements - is that correct? in my area at least they aknowledge that the workers go on social security or welfare when they retire from the work... AGAIN, in the US, workers do NOT get Social Security...that fund is a governmental fund paid in by people who work and it is available to them at retirement age or disability and is figured in accordance to the number of quarters within a certain number of years and really has to be fairly recent employment as well...... HOWEVER, there is the "welfare" system in most states that give indigent folks s "supplemental security income" which is usually quite minimal approximately about $250.00 a month! The workers do not receive "Medicare Benefits" either, but do get "state welfare known as Medicaid"......it is confusing to some people because the names or so similar but it is highly important to differentiate them! As it is bad vibes to say a worker who has not worked a day in over 50 years would receive Social Security Benefits or Medicare Benefits...for it won't happen that way at all. Since Obamacare, the "Medicaid" welfare health benefits are in question....and for the last 3-5 years in this area, the indigent receive Medicaid benefits according to diagnosis in a "spend-down" account and when that account is spent then there is no more UNLESS there is an appeal to repeat or increase the original spend-down.
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Post by xna on May 7, 2014 10:17:33 GMT -5
in my area at least they aknowledge that the workers go on social security or welfare when they retire from the work... AGAIN, in the US, workers do NOT get Social Security...that fund is a governmental fund paid in by people who work and it is available to them at retirement age or disability and is figured in accordance to the number of quarters within a certain number of years and really has to be fairly recent employment as well...... HOWEVER, there is the "welfare" system in most states that give indigent folks s "supplemental security income" which is usually quite minimal approximately about $250.00 a month! The workers do not receive "Medicare Benefits" either, but do get "state welfare known as Medicaid"......it is confusing to some people because the names or so similar but it is highly important to differentiate them! As it is bad vibes to say a worker who has not worked a day in over 50 years would receive Social Security Benefits or Medicare Benefits...for it won't happen that way at all. Since Obamacare, the "Medicaid" welfare health benefits are in question....and for the last 3-5 years in this area, the indigent receive Medicaid benefits according to diagnosis in a "spend-down" account and when that account is spent then there is no more UNLESS there is an appeal to repeat or increase the original spend-down. ------------- It's good to see old workers who are unable to take care of themselves being taken care of by the F&W, but I don't see how SSI & Medicaid squares with say Matthew 6, if they put their complete fate in the hands of god. I have no problem with anyone who qualifies getting SSI and the much larger Medicaid benefit. I wish all the old and homeless had it so good. I also wonder how god deals with senility. Some old people curse and are vulgar when senility sets in. When it happened to a worker, do they go to hell for these acts beyond their control?
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Post by BobWilliston on May 7, 2014 17:43:35 GMT -5
AGAIN, in the US, workers do NOT get Social Security...that fund is a governmental fund paid in by people who work and it is available to them at retirement age or disability and is figured in accordance to the number of quarters within a certain number of years and really has to be fairly recent employment as well...... HOWEVER, there is the "welfare" system in most states that give indigent folks s "supplemental security income" which is usually quite minimal approximately about $250.00 a month! The workers do not receive "Medicare Benefits" either, but do get "state welfare known as Medicaid"......it is confusing to some people because the names or so similar but it is highly important to differentiate them! As it is bad vibes to say a worker who has not worked a day in over 50 years would receive Social Security Benefits or Medicare Benefits...for it won't happen that way at all. Since Obamacare, the "Medicaid" welfare health benefits are in question....and for the last 3-5 years in this area, the indigent receive Medicaid benefits according to diagnosis in a "spend-down" account and when that account is spent then there is no more UNLESS there is an appeal to repeat or increase the original spend-down. ------------- It's good to see old workers who are unable to take care of themselves being taken care of by the F&W, but I don't see how SSI & Medicaid squares with say Matthew 6, if they put their complete fate in the hands of god. I have no problem with anyone who qualifies getting SSI and the much larger Medicaid benefit. I wish all the old and homeless had it so good. I also wonder how god deals with senility. Some old people curse and are vulgar when senility sets in. When it happened to a worker, do they go to hell for these acts beyond their control? The cursing sister worker I knew definitely went to heaven, according to the overseer at her funeral. I was thankful for that, because my juvenile sense of humor thrived on her rants. I don't mind a society looking after its old people. Societies have done that in one way or another since the beginning of time. What I have a problem with is the fact that in this country it is welfare for those who would starve to death otherwise. Which creates another problem. Workers are always telling people not to accept welfare, and to get off it if at all possible. And they've been known, at least in this country, to advise friends not to give help to other needy friends. Yet they have no problem accepting government funds when they need it themselves. But I expect none of them have their names on the title to the rest home.
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Post by whyisitso on May 7, 2014 18:02:39 GMT -5
------------- It's good to see old workers who are unable to take care of themselves being taken care of by the F&W, but I don't see how SSI & Medicaid squares with say Matthew 6, if they put their complete fate in the hands of god. I have no problem with anyone who qualifies getting SSI and the much larger Medicaid benefit. I wish all the old and homeless had it so good. I also wonder how god deals with senility. Some old people curse and are vulgar when senility sets in. When it happened to a worker, do they go to hell for these acts beyond their control? The cursing sister worker I knew definitely went to heaven, according to the overseer at her funeral. I was thankful for that, because my juvenile sense of humor thrived on her rants. I don't mind a society looking after its old people. Societies have done that in one way or another since the beginning of time. What I have a problem with is the fact that in this country it is welfare for those who would starve to death otherwise. Which creates another problem. Workers are always telling people not to accept welfare, and to get off it if at all possible. And they've been known, at least in this country, to advise friends not to give help to other needy friends. Yet they have no problem accepting government funds when they need it themselves. But I expect none of them have their names on the title to the rest home. Could it be that if you're giving to others you might not be able to give as much to the workers? And surely those Unemployment Benefits wouldn't leave anything spare so you wouldn't be able to give anything to the workers off that either. Or am I just being cynical?
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Post by BobWilliston on May 7, 2014 19:14:06 GMT -5
The cursing sister worker I knew definitely went to heaven, according to the overseer at her funeral. I was thankful for that, because my juvenile sense of humor thrived on her rants. I don't mind a society looking after its old people. Societies have done that in one way or another since the beginning of time. What I have a problem with is the fact that in this country it is welfare for those who would starve to death otherwise. Which creates another problem. Workers are always telling people not to accept welfare, and to get off it if at all possible. And they've been known, at least in this country, to advise friends not to give help to other needy friends. Yet they have no problem accepting government funds when they need it themselves. But I expect none of them have their names on the title to the rest home. Could it be that if you're giving to others you might not be able to give as much to the workers? And surely those Unemployment Benefits wouldn't leave anything spare so you wouldn't be able to give anything to the workers off that either. Or am I just being cynical? Who cares? You're entitled.
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