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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 8:13:50 GMT -5
If funds are held in an interest bearing account in the personal name of one of the friends, then the interest income will have to be declared and tax paid on that income by that particular friend. I understand that there are some instances where funds were held in non-interest bearing accounts as a matter of principle(no pun intended) so that there would be no income generated from donated funds from the friends. Doesn't that fall under the heading of poor stewardship? He also who had received the one talent came and said, "Lord, I knew you that you are a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter. I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the earth. Behold, you have what is yours."
But his lord answered him, "You wicked and slothful servant. You knew that I reap where I didn't sow, and gather where I didn't scatter. You ought therefore to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received back my own with interest. Take away therefore the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. It could be considered poor stewardship (but so could high risk/high reward investments) but it is probably considered a matter of a clash of two good principles and having to choose one. The idea of the workers making money off the friends' money is a line many of them will not cross regardless of the stewardship aspect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 8:18:11 GMT -5
Nathan, "death" is the result of disobeying God. Any intelligent being which disobeys Gos faced eventual death. That's what happened with man. That is the blueprint. You can't have it both ways. If VT has a lifespan which terminates, then his kind must have disobeyed God (sinned).
Also Jesus made it plain to watch and wait for HIS return, not a prophetic alien. We are however warned about "strong" delusion that would be sent to the world, so much so that if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived.
CD's response above clearly establishes him as being amongst the very elect, i.e. impossible to be deceived. VT is a bad guy simply because according to Jesus, there is NONE good except God! Jesus made no exceptions, even for himself, never mind Valiant Thorr!
Just ask Bert!
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Post by rational on Oct 16, 2013 8:24:27 GMT -5
Nathan, "death" is the result of disobeying God. I heard it was the termination of metabolic processes for whatever reason. Strap on a suicide vest, press the switch and life will very soon come to a halt in all the bits. Slap a fly and it is dead. No reason to call god into the picture.
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Post by faune on Oct 16, 2013 8:28:49 GMT -5
Mary ~ Thanks for filling me in on some past history that Nathan has had with Brad from your memory. But, I'm still not clear on what "past history" that Cherie had with Nathan, as she claimed, that would make her respond in the way she did? It most definitely appeared as an attack on him personally "out of the blue" which caught my attention and others who also commented. Although I'm fairly new posting to this Board, it just made me wonder what could have precipitated such a reaction over an innocent mistake that Nathan made on TMB and explained in his response. Here are some of the information you had missed Faune... You can find it if you were to search for it....
Many of old timers on TMB remember the exchanged between Brad and I on this board for posting my own personal notes, which I wrote in my Bible on TMB. MR. Phu, was a professing friend asked me if he could have my old Bible because I had many notes, gems written on there so I gave it to him. While Brad was staying/living with Mr. Phu home he saw my old Bible and he wanted to have it so he gave him another new Bible in exchanged. Brad was banned for posting on TMB because he posted my personal notes and personal picture without my permission. Like I said in the past, I know Brad and his family history which I will NOT going to talk about it again. You can find it from the old postings.
He left TMB and went on to start his own website, posting about the friends, workers, overseer he knows through the years in Oregon according to his point of view about them. He had written some of the information about me, but I see now he has taken most of it down.... just posting my workers picture where I closed my eyes.
Cherie and I have gone many rounds in the past on William Irvine history where I disagree with her finding and conclusion about him.
Nathan ~ I'm aware of your "rounds" with Cherie over William Irvine and the actual date that the 2x2's began, which I noticed in past months. I guess the dating of the beginning of the 2x2's all depends on whether you consider it while Irvine was still on the Faith Mission payroll and "doing his own thing" or when the founder of the Faith Mission finally severed ties with him completely? I checked Brad's site for what he had to say about this and found this article. It amazes me that William Irvine, the founding father of the 2x2's had attended a Bible training school in the past, although he preached against formal training for preachers himself? I guess that's just another example of "changing beliefs" that William Irvine established? However, I must admit, Cherie has done some excellent research into the historical aspects of the 2x2's that you can find on her website, " Telling the Truth." I have learned a lot about the fellowship's historical roots by reading at her site. Her book on line is very revealing and well documented regarding different facets of the fellowship down through the years as referenced below: www.tellingthetruth.info/founder_book/00wmibook.php www.2x2ministry.org/william_irvine.php
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Post by faune on Oct 16, 2013 8:49:37 GMT -5
Mary ~ Thanks for filling me in on some past history that Nathan has had with Brad from your memory. But, I'm still not clear on what "past history" that Cherie had with Nathan, as she claimed, that would make her respond in the way she did? It most definitely appeared as an attack on him personally "out of the blue" which caught my attention and others who also commented. Although I'm fairly new posting to this Board, it just made me wonder what could have percipitated such a reaction over an innocent mistake that Nathan made on TMB and explained in his response. Also, if Brad's mother had said something to Cherie in private relating to Nathan, do you really think Cherie was justified in sharing it on a public board like TMB? Actually, it seems Cherie violated one of her own privacy rules on TLC about sharing a private conversation with Brad's mother on a public board, which appeared as negative gossip? Personally, I considered that a "low blow" on her part, since revenge is never sweet! Faune, you need to find some new windmills. Rational ~ You really sparked some laughter with your remark above. However, Don Quixote is my hero from literature! His legend has lived on for some time since Picasso's paintings made him famous, as displayed below: www.google.com/search?q=don+quixote+and+picasso+paintings+of+him&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=OZxeUuziOMjPkQf77ICIBA&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1093&bih=470 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 10:03:20 GMT -5
Nathan, "death" is the result of disobeying God. I heard it was the termination of metabolic processes for whatever reason. Strap on a suicide vest, press the switch and life will very soon come to a halt in all the bits. Slap a fly and it is dead. No reason to call god into the picture. Rational, you need to read more Marvel comics!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 10:07:53 GMT -5
Nathan, "death" is the result of disobeying God. Any intelligent being which disobeys Gos faced eventual death. That's what happened with man. That is the blueprint. You can't have it both ways. If VT has a lifespan which terminates, then his kind must have disobeyed God (sinned). Also Jesus made it plain to watch and wait for HIS return, not a prophetic alien. We are however warned about "strong" delusion that would be sent to the world, so much so that if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. CD's response above clearly establishes him as being amongst the very elect, i.e. impossible to be deceived. VT is a bad guy simply because according to Jesus, there is NONE good except God! Jesus made no exceptions, even for himself, never mind Valiant Thorr! Just ask Bert! hmmmmm... Jesus, the Son of man died on the Cross. DID Jesus disobey God for his death or sin against God on Calvary's Cross? Did Jesus life end at the grave? Jesus lifespan was ONLY 33 yrs on the earth. I believe Jesus just left the OLD human body and lives on with the NEW resurrection body. Your blueprint has a BIG whole in it....
Throughout the Old and New Testament God has sent angels of God to help mankind, as messengers, protectors, helpers... God has used angels for thousands of years.... WHY? do you THINK God is NOT using them in our own generation to guide us in the RIGHT direction? Angels appeared in human form/body in the Old Testament: From Halley's Bible HandbookThe Angels of God: Rescued Haggar (Gen. 16:7-12) Announced the Birth of Issac (Gen 18:1-15) Announced the destruction of Sodom of Sodom ( Gen. 18:16-35) Destroyed Sodom and rescued Lot (Gen. 19:1-29) Intercept the slaying of Isaac (Gen. 22:11-12) Marriage of Isaac and Rebecca (Gen 24:7) Guard Jacob (Gen. 28:12;31:11,48:16) Commission Moses (Exodus 3:2) Led Israel (Exodus 14:19; 23:20-23;32:34) Gave the Law (Acts 7:38;53; Gal.3:19) Rebuked Balaam the false prophet (Numbers 22:31-35) Prince of God's host appeared to Joshua (Joshua 5:13-15) Rebuked the Israelites for Idolatry (Judges 2:1-5) Commission Gideon (Judges 6:11-40) Announced the birth of Samson (Judges 13) Smote Israelites with Pestilence (II Sam.24:16-17) Rescued Elijah (I Kings 10:5-8) Elisha was surrounded by Invisible angels (II Kings 6:14-17) Saved Daniel from the Lions (Daniel 6:22) Killed the Assyrians Army (II Kings 19:35; Isaiah 37:36) Angels camp round about God's people (Psalms 34:7; 91:11) Angels appeared in human form/body in the New Testament:The Angels: Announced the Birth of John the Baptist (Luke 1:11-17) Foretold to Mary the birth of Jesus (Luke 1:26-37) Foretold to Joseph the birth of Jesus (Matt. 1:20,21) Announced to shepherds the birth of Jesus (Luke 2:8-15) Direct the child Jesus flee to Egypt (Matt. 2:13-30) Ministered to Jesus at His Temptation (Matthew 4:11) Came to Jesus at Gethsemane (Luke 22:43) Rolled away the stone at Jesus' tomb (Matt. 28:2) Announced to the women His Resurrection (Matt. 28:5-7) Presented Him to Mary Magdalene (John 20:11-14) Opened prison doors for the apostles (Acts 4:19) Directed Philip to the Ethiopian (Acts 8:26) Released Peter from prison (Acts 12:7-9) Peter's angel (Acts 12:15) Struck Herod Dead (Acts 12:23) Directed Cornelius (Acts 10:3) Stood by Paul during the storm (Acts 27:23) Angels in the Epistles and RevelationThere are Elect angels (I Tim. 5:21) Angels are Innumerable (Heb. 12:22; Revelation 5:11) Ministers to Heirs of Salvation (Heb. 1:13,14) Angels will come with Jesus in flaming fire (II Thes. 1:7) 7 Churches have Guardian Angels (Rev. 1:20;2;8,12,18) Jesus the man, being fully human, would have died at some point if not on the cross. It is the end of every human life. Angels are eternal, except those which disobey God. Valiant Thorr must be of a race which disobeyed God.
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Post by faune on Oct 16, 2013 10:12:13 GMT -5
Nathan, "death" is the result of disobeying God. Any intelligent being which disobeys Gos faced eventual death. That's what happened with man. That is the blueprint. You can't have it both ways. If VT has a lifespan which terminates, then his kind must have disobeyed God (sinned). Also Jesus made it plain to watch and wait for HIS return, not a prophetic alien. We are however warned about "strong" delusion that would be sent to the world, so much so that if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. CD's response above clearly establishes him as being amongst the very elect, i.e. impossible to be deceived. VT is a bad guy simply because according to Jesus, there is NONE good except God! Jesus made no exceptions, even for himself, never mind Valiant Thorr! Just ask Bert! hmmmmm... Jesus, the Son of man died on the Cross. DID Jesus disobey God for his death or sin against God on Calvary's Cross? Did Jesus life end at the grave? Jesus lifespan was ONLY 33 yrs on the earth. I believe Jesus just left the OLD human body and lives on with the NEW resurrection body. Your blueprint has a BIG whole in it....
Throughout the Old and New Testament God has sent angels of God to help mankind, as messengers, protectors, helpers... God has used angels for thousands of years.... WHY? do you THINK God is NOT using them in our own generation to guide us in the RIGHT direction? Angels appeared in human form/body in the Old Testament: From Halley's Bible HandbookThe Angels of God: Rescued Haggar (Gen. 16:7-12) Announced the Birth of Issac (Gen 18:1-15) Announced the destruction of Sodom of Sodom ( Gen. 18:16-35) Destroyed Sodom and rescued Lot (Gen. 19:1-29) Intercept the slaying of Isaac (Gen. 22:11-12) Marriage of Isaac and Rebecca (Gen 24:7) Guard Jacob (Gen. 28:12;31:11,48:16) Commission Moses (Exodus 3:2) Led Israel (Exodus 14:19; 23:20-23;32:34) Gave the Law (Acts 7:38;53; Gal.3:19) Rebuked Balaam the false prophet (Numbers 22:31-35) Prince of God's host appeared to Joshua (Joshua 5:13-15) Rebuked the Israelites for Idolatry (Judges 2:1-5) Commission Gideon (Judges 6:11-40) Announced the birth of Samson (Judges 13) Smote Israelites with Pestilence (II Sam.24:16-17) Rescued Elijah (I Kings 10:5-8) Elisha was surrounded by Invisible angels (II Kings 6:14-17) Saved Daniel from the Lions (Daniel 6:22) Killed the Assyrians Army (II Kings 19:35; Isaiah 37:36) Angels camp round about God's people (Psalms 34:7; 91:11) Angels appeared in human form/body in the New Testament:The Angels: Announced the Birth of John the Baptist (Luke 1:11-17) Foretold to Mary the birth of Jesus (Luke 1:26-37) Foretold to Joseph the birth of Jesus (Matt. 1:20,21) Announced to shepherds the birth of Jesus (Luke 2:8-15) Direct the child Jesus flee to Egypt (Matt. 2:13-30) Ministered to Jesus at His Temptation (Matthew 4:11) Came to Jesus at Gethsemane (Luke 22:43) Rolled away the stone at Jesus' tomb (Matt. 28:2) Announced to the women His Resurrection (Matt. 28:5-7) Presented Him to Mary Magdalene (John 20:11-14) Opened prison doors for the apostles (Acts 4:19) Directed Philip to the Ethiopian (Acts 8:26) Released Peter from prison (Acts 12:7-9) Peter's angel (Acts 12:15) Struck Herod Dead (Acts 12:23) Directed Cornelius (Acts 10:3) Stood by Paul during the storm (Acts 27:23) Angels in the Epistles and RevelationThere are Elect angels (I Tim. 5:21) Angels are Innumerable (Heb. 12:22; Revelation 5:11) Ministers to Heirs of Salvation (Heb. 1:13,14) Angels will come with Jesus in flaming fire (II Thes. 1:7) 7 Churches have Guardian Angels (Rev. 1:20;2;8,12,18) Nathan ~ You are right about the role of angels or created beings throughout the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. However, I feel Ram may be speaking in jest here about the "Valiant Thor?" He does come across as being like some mythical character out of a science fiction story, IMHO? Also, there is a lot of stuff found on You-tube that is just not credible regardless how hard you try to envision it as based in fact! Just my thoughts from my own observations. Actually some of these videos are quite humorous to watch, but I find it hard to take them seriously myself. Just call me a " doubting Thomas" when it comes to the Illuminati and Reptilian creatures in human bodies.
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Post by snow on Oct 16, 2013 10:41:28 GMT -5
I heard it was the termination of metabolic processes for whatever reason. Strap on a suicide vest, press the switch and life will very soon come to a halt in all the bits. Slap a fly and it is dead. No reason to call god into the picture. Rational, you need to read more Marvel comics! I thought you said on another thread that the analogy of the trinity was of water, steam and ice. So when I leave my physical form I don't die, I just transform into steam?
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Post by rational on Oct 16, 2013 11:06:31 GMT -5
Rational, you need to read more Marvel comics! I thought you said on another thread that the analogy of the trinity was of water, steam and ice. And if the temperature is about 0.01 °C and the pressure is about 611.7 Pascals then you can have water, steam, and ice all at the same time!Well, if its hot enough approximately 60% of you could transform into steam!
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Post by quizzer on Oct 16, 2013 11:07:25 GMT -5
Jesus the man, being fully human, would have died at some point if not on the cross. It is the end of every human life. Angels are eternal, except those which disobey God. Valiant Thorr must be of a race which disobeyed God. Are you planning to worship Thor these days? Exactly how bad are the storms in your area?
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Post by snow on Oct 16, 2013 11:14:48 GMT -5
I thought you said on another thread that the analogy of the trinity was of water, steam and ice. And if the temperature is about 0.01 °C and the pressure is about 611.7 Pascals then you can have water, steam, and ice all at the same time!Well, if its hot enough approximately 60% of you could transform into steam! Now we're getting technical. So only 40% of me lives on as steam? 60% of me was the physical water or ice? However, aside of the frivolity I've been fooling with, I learned something here. I was not aware that water, steam and ice can exist all at the same time and I would love you to explain that one to me. Or I can google it if you rather.
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Post by quizzer on Oct 16, 2013 11:15:02 GMT -5
Are the friends and workers performing socially-acceptable charitable works to the outside world these days? Are you implying that to qualify non-profits have to perform "socially-acceptable charitable works"? Go for page 5 - beneficiaries of an organization's activities must be recognized objects of charity (such as the poor or the distressed) or the community at large (for example, through the conduct of religious services or the promotion of religion. www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf
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Post by snow on Oct 16, 2013 11:16:26 GMT -5
Jesus the man, being fully human, would have died at some point if not on the cross. It is the end of every human life. Angels are eternal, except those which disobey God. Valiant Thorr must be of a race which disobeyed God. Are you planning to worship Thor these days? Exactly how bad are the storms in your area? Well both Thor and Jesus are finite beings, they die. He might not want to put a lot of trust in either.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 16, 2013 11:17:45 GMT -5
The care of the old and disabled workers is perhaps the costliest thing the workers face and as far as I've experienced they do their best to pay for those things until someone is able to get welfare from the states' governments for the needy and sick workers. And not only the disabled and elderly workers need things, with the number of workers that are present in all the earth, th ehealth care of the active workers enter into the financial realm very much....there is probably at least 1-2 workers every day needing some kind of major health care....I know there are several in this area of the US that have had chemotherapy for cancer, some have had both chemo and radiaition and others have had both that and then surgery....... The travelling to convs. has pretty well been kept for the workers that have always been particularly enjoyed at other convs. I have to wonder what people will do now that supposedly LW is out of the workership....he was a dynamic speaker. Your point about healthcare is something I hadn't thought of. I think most of the right age out here are on medi-whatever, and many go to professing docs for free care, and some docs donate their care. Nevertheless, healthcare is a real concern and it could get real expensive quickly. Back in the late 60's I think it was, 4 of our Arkansas workers were in a horrible auto crash. 2 of them very critically and both of them were in the hospital in Little Rock for many many weeks.......there was money sent from all over the US and other countries for their care...well there was insurance that went with the automobile they were driving, so there were insurance monies given to all 4 workers. 3 of those workers pooled their moneies and one younger bro. took his and spent it on himself entirely and it had little to do with his injuries which were very mild. Nevertheless what with the auto insurance and all the donations sent particularly for the crash victims care, that after all was said and done there was a very large "kitty" remaining. I know this because my sister went into the work shortly after this auto crash for that was when a spot opened up for a new sister worker. Within her first year, she had to have her appendix out. My aunt had taken what little savings she had out of the bank and went to be with my sis...and when she went to pay the bill the hospital told her the bill had already been paid. So my aunt felt like she had to speak to the overseer who happened to be the bro. who had been injured so critically. Well he told her about all the extra money left over from the workers' care due to the carwreck that he felt that it should be used for "health issues" because that was what the donaters had asked it be done with. That said, this happens most anytime a worker is hurt or ill needing hospital or medical care....and though there are already kitties for such, the friends juist keep sending more money for that use. Thereby there have been some large and I mean extra large kitties gathered in.......the workers that I know anything about do keep these kitties for the workers' health care needs.......and the friends keep adding to this money where the workers can't seem to spend it all, but the problem being the unaccountablility of the workers having certain funds and how they spend them and if there is a true need for more funds...so the friends just keep piling in the money....and I think that the workers have taken some of those funds and sent them overseas just incase of a need that our country doesn't allow.....what that would be I'm not certain....but there are some million dollar accounts and I understand that most are in Israel......I think this is because of what it says about that 2 would be working together and one be taken and one left and then it says for the one that is taken NOT to turn back to take up their clothing or anything else....but the workers want to be able to move to Jerusalem when this happens for they believe that is where Jesus will be. That said, they do not allow for the fact that ALL countires and even Judah would fight against Jerusalem or God's people....... But as I was tyrying to say, that with the ageing of the present day workers turning out to be a lot of them will age or die in the next 10-20 years, that says there will be MORE money needed then every before....nursing home care and hospitalization with many of them being like total joint implanting which is very expensive.
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Post by faune on Oct 16, 2013 11:18:27 GMT -5
Rational, you need to read more Marvel comics! I thought you said on another thread that the analogy of the trinity was of water, steam and ice. So when I leave my physical form I don't die, I just transform into steam? Snow ~ Actually you just transform into a vapor that vanishes away in the end according to James 4:14 in the New Testament. Who knows, perhaps you will return again in the form of raindrops later on?
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Post by snow on Oct 16, 2013 11:28:11 GMT -5
I thought you said on another thread that the analogy of the trinity was of water, steam and ice. So when I leave my physical form I don't die, I just transform into steam? Snow ~ Actually you just transform into a vapor that vanishes away in the end according to James 4:14 in the New Testament. Who knows, perhaps you will return again in the form of raindrops later on? I don't want to be a raindrop!! I'm snow! Rain would destroy me!!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 16, 2013 11:28:22 GMT -5
The care of the old and disabled workers is perhaps the costliest thing the workers face and as far as I've experienced they do their best to pay for those things until someone is able to get welfare from the states' governments for the needy and sick workers. And not only the disabled and elderly workers need things, with the number of workers that are present in all the earth, th ehealth care of the active workers enter into the financial realm very much....there is probably at least 1-2 workers every day needing some kind of major health care....I know there are several in this area of the US that have had chemotherapy for cancer, some have had both chemo and radiaition and others have had both that and then surgery....... The travelling to convs. has pretty well been kept for the workers that have always been particularly enjoyed at other convs. I have to wonder what people will do now that supposedly LW is out of the workership....he was a dynamic speaker. Your point about healthcare is something I hadn't thought of. I think most of the right age out here are on medi-whatever, and many go to professing docs for free care, and some docs donate their care. Nevertheless, healthcare is a real concern and it could get real expensive quickly. As you mention most of the workers out there are on medi-something which would be Medicaid which is a state/federal system that takes care of the poor and indigent people in regards to their health care. Now we've experience Medicaid doing something that makes it where that Medicaid is NOT always available to any one person and that is their establishment of a system they call a "spin-down" account. Otherwords when a poor and indigent person has been medically declared in need of an expensive treatment/surgery, then Medicaid will create a "spin-down" account to a set numbers of dollars and when that money is gone, so is the Medicaid assistance to that person until they are proven needy again.....otherwords Medicaid is trying to spread the dollars they are given through the state and federal funds allocated to them over more poor and indigent people and thus they usually only cover the major treatment/surgery costs....thus the initial doctor visit to get the diagnosis that Medicaid will accept to form a "spin-down" account, the patient usually has to pay for out of his/her own pocket unless they go to an established charity clinic. So in this area, workers just are not automatically on Medicaid...they have to go through all the loops just like everyone else. And yes, I've known of some being refused assistance due to several reasons....one being that workers often do not have a stable address...otherwords these workers are travelling all over the state and then the country....never declaring a permanent address.......and yes, some figure out how to get over that sty!
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Post by faune on Oct 16, 2013 11:36:46 GMT -5
Snow ~ Actually you just transform into a vapor that vanishes away in the end according to James 4:14 in the New Testament. Who knows, perhaps you will return again in the form of raindrops later on? I don't want to be a raindrop!! I'm snow! Rain would destroy me!! Snow ~ Perhaps you could return to earth in winter months, which are quite long in Canada where you live, and there wouldn't be a problem with your composition as snow?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 16, 2013 11:38:15 GMT -5
Rational ~ I wasn't the only one who picked up on the exchange between Cherie and Nathan and felt it was unfeeling and unkind ~ or in other words, a cold-hearted response. If you go back a few pages and read some of these remarks, I feel even you would be taken back by Cherie's tone of voice? Also, I take it that you are not a science fiction fan? Nathan has done quite a lot of research into the Illuminati and the Reptilian race. Although I don't follow these conspiracies theories or put much stock in them myself, a lot of people on You-tube seem fascinated with this subject. Thanks, again faune. You're one cool lady! Many middle age 40s and young people in the 20s are very fascinating with UFO and aliens topics. I gave over 1000s invitation of my message board to my customers to read the article Valiant Thor, an angel of God sent to President Eisenhower in 1957. It has reached 10,000 viewers in 14 months. I gave it to my Christians friends, pastors, ministers, Private investigator into the super natural, ex-priest, Bible college professor, non-believers, etc... and they love reading the information and they passed my message board link to their friends. The viewers are keep on growing. We talked about the information on the articles and they love it.... So, I am NOT crazy after all. People today are more open minded in super natural, Satan, angels, aliens, UFO, crop circles topics than 20 yrs ago. People begin to think there's something is very strange going on all over the world.
The information about aliens, angels, UFO have been available on the Internet for almost 40 yrs yrs.... Mow, people began to look, study these things for themselves just like I did last yr.
Nathan, it reminds me that in the bible Jesus told some that they were looking faithfully to the signs of the moon, tide whatever to "guide" their lives...I didn't get it from his thoughts that he was much for that when it took over the need to look to the spiritual things in the context of God, not the sign of the times which ARE things that are not really humanistic but of another life realm.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 16, 2013 11:48:15 GMT -5
Nathan, As you know mans' sin/fall from grace brought death into the world. Had man not sinned he would have lived forever. The result of man sinning was that death came into the world for every creature. Now you claim Valiant Thor is a servant of God, not of our race but from another world. The fact that VT has a lifespan (500 years?) reveals his race of beings must also have fallen from grace/sinned at some point. What sayeth ye? I will let Pastor Frank answers your questions.More About The COMMANDER Valiant Thor Part I by Dr. Frank E. Stranges A CREATED BEINGCommander Valiant Thor, was created (as were the Angels) eons before time was configured. He is indeed a very wise man and has thereby been duly endowed with abilities far beyond that of human imagination. He stands about six feet tall and to this day he weighs about one hundred and eighty-five pounds. His hair is brown and wavy. His eyes are also brown and his overall complexion is rather tanned. The Commander has a unique sense of humor, which certainly distinguishes him from a host of many other “space people.” He is a very unusual man in many respects. Yet while standing in his presence, one is suddenly made to feel quite comfortable. He is a man of many spiritual gifts which have distinguished him to the point where he was duly appointed as one of the Council of Twelve on his home planet Venus. Whenever he is dispatched to other parts of the Universe, he is always greeted as a man of God. A man who is looked upon with tremendous love and respect. He is often called upon to assist those of other worlds in making certain decisions which directly affect the entire population. His conduct is always above reproach in every manner whatsoever. The truth of this matter lies in the fact that he is in demand because of his unique ability to spiritually discern and thereby solve many problems. Such a man whose reputation precedes him is loved and admired for his dedication and love of Almighty God, under whose direct orders he operates. Commander Valiant Thor has the ability to appear and disappear at will. He also possesses the ability to disassemble the molecular structure of his body and reassemble himself at a distant point. This is the manner in which he vanished from the Pentagon, passing through the door of his apartment in which he was confined and carefully guarded by two Air Force Military Policeman. He then joined his brother, Vice Commander Donn and Jill who then appeared on the front lawn of the home of Howard Menger, in High Bridge, New Jersey. They then attended a lawn UFO lecture, where every one there saw them. However, few of them knew or even suspected that these people were from another world. My friend, the late August C. Roberts took many pictures of them, which were later published in my book Stranger at the Pentagon. One of the witnesses at that particular lecture was another friend of mine, Mr. James Moseley of Key West, Florida. Oddly enough, over the years, quite a number of people have recognized him when he has attended lectures, both in the United States and abroad. Inasmuch as he has been gifted with many other abilities, he has successfully utilized these to assist mankind on this planet Earth. He is able to speak and communicate in every language and dialect (including sign language) known to mankind today. In this manner, he has successfully won the confidence of people, worldwide. Among these, the children whom he has literally picked up off of the garbage dumps of major cities of the world. These are the children who have no parents, no place to sleep or proper food for their frail bodies. They are sickly, weak, undernourished and unwanted by the multitudes. He has approached these poor children, both boys and girls, spoke to them in their own language or dialect, won their competence and in many cases literally carried them in his loving arms to the waiting Victor Class Space Craft. Once on board, the children are warmly and lovingly caressed by other members of the crew who care for them before they are brought into the homes and waiting arms of the newly adoptive parents. He also possesses the ability of looking directly into your heart and mind in order to fully ascertain and appreciate your inner needs. This is a trait also practiced with great love by our Master, Jesus Christ, with whom the Commander enjoys constant fellowship and communion. I (Pastor Frank) asked him (Valiant Thor) if there is life on other planets. His reply was, "There is life on many other planets of which people on Earth know nothing. There are more solar systems for which man has not even given God credit. There are many beings that have never transgressed the perfect laws of God. Man does not possess the right to condemn the whole of God's creation because he himself has broken the perfect laws of God through disobedience."Valiant Thor has No Fingerprints; No palm prints; No navelThe only thing he said that troubled me was his use of the expression "when the time is right" in response to my question as to whether or not I would see him again. His lack of fingerprints intrigued me as I had been involved as a private investigator for quite some time, even working at times on loan to some of the Government agencies. I had learned the science of fingerprints ... with the impression of the lines and whorls on the inner surface of the last joint of each finger on the human hand. He told me that all Earth people were thusly marked since the fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden, during the very dawn of civilization as we know it today. FINGERPRINTS are a sign of FALLEN MAN. FINGERPRINTS mark a man all THROUGH HIS LIFE." He also said, "FRANK, You ought to know, being a former investigator, that the first thing the authorities look for at the scene of the crime is that the FINGERPRINTS." He began to prepare me for the road which lie ahead. It would not be an easy one. There would be adversities, organized attempts to both discourage and discredit me, but the rewards have proved to outweigh these trials which continue even to this day. We discussed the merits of Jesus Christ ... how He gave His Life freely... so that men could enjoy the benefits of eternal life. I questioned him about a Bible on Venus and he assured me that a personal unbroken fellowship with the "Author" did not necessitate the printing of a "book". He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible. The very God many have said is "dead" continues to lavish them with all good things. Perhaps they will, in time, permit the spark of Divine Light to again illuminate their troubled hearts. This preacher's opinions on some angel that God supposedly had formed reminds me of two things....God had made Satan, also known as Lucifer...he'd made him as an angel of light....but something happened that caused Satan to fall from the grace of He who formed him. Also, I think it is in the 24th chapter of Matt. where Jesus speaks of his return but that before that return that there would be those who would declare that the Christ is here or the Christ is over there....Jesus said "DO not believe them." Being angels formed by God may not be a very good testimony when perhaps they've fallen from the grace of God....... There will be another beast come into being on the earth, so Rev. says that this beast will be given the first beast's powers which I understand is Satan as the first beast......so as Lucifer was a "comely" angel that "comeliness" doesn't tell the story that he is in the grace of God....sometimes we need to take these things with a bit of caution for we are apt to get mixed up worse then we are to start with. Also I know of a former worker who was said to be worshipping "angels" which as far as I know he was not.....but they've used this as the excuse that this ex-worker is no longer welcome even to just sit in conv. or any of the friends' homes......
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 16, 2013 11:53:47 GMT -5
Nathan has said some pretty bad things about Brad in the past not much different from what Cherie has said Brad's mother said about Nathan. He has said in the past that he had talked to Brad's family at convention and that they had told him that Brad was unstable. He even said this to Brad on the board. Nathan has really attacked Brad on here in a similar fashion. This was before you came on the board faune. Nathan has also attacked Brad about a friend he had and what was being said. What Cherie has said is what Nathan has said about Brad but in the reverse . So good Cherie has put the record straight. Someone had to. Mary, you evidently don't know that Brad was very cruel to Nathan as well on TMB...even to the posting of a picture of Nathan when Nathan asked that he not do that.....Brad perhaps was even worse in his language he used against Nathan then Nathan has ever been to any one. So I don't see it justifiable that someone take Brad's part when he has taken his own part so very well. I'm very sorry that things turned out like they did for Brad.....but then we all sometimes face things that utterly turns our soul's roots upside down and we don't really know where our roots are any more! JMO
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 12:14:23 GMT -5
Jesus the man, being fully human, would have died at some point if not on the cross. It is the end of every human life. Angels are eternal, except those which disobey God. Valiant Thorr must be of a race which disobeyed God. Are you planning to worship Thor these days? Exactly how bad are the storms in your area? Valiant Thorr has always been my hero, ever since Nathan introduced me to him a few days ago.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 12:16:48 GMT -5
I thought you said on another thread that the analogy of the trinity was of water, steam and ice. And if the temperature is about 0.01 °C and the pressure is about 611.7 Pascals then you can have water, steam, and ice all at the same time!Well, if its hot enough approximately 60% of you could transform into steam! This explains transcendence, or whatever it was?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 12:17:57 GMT -5
Are you planning to worship Thor these days? Exactly how bad are the storms in your area? Well both Thor and Jesus are finite beings, they die. He might not want to put a lot of trust in either. I will put my faith in both until I am finite with them!
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Post by faune on Oct 16, 2013 12:51:14 GMT -5
Thanks, again faune. You're one cool lady! Many middle age 40s and young people in the 20s are very fascinating with UFO and aliens topics. I gave over 1000s invitation of my message board to my customers to read the article Valiant Thor, an angel of God sent to President Eisenhower in 1957. It has reached 10,000 viewers in 14 months. I gave it to my Christians friends, pastors, ministers, Private investigator into the super natural, ex-priest, Bible college professor, non-believers, etc... and they love reading the information and they passed my message board link to their friends. The viewers are keep on growing. We talked about the information on the articles and they love it.... So, I am NOT crazy after all. People today are more open minded in super natural, Satan, angels, aliens, UFO, crop circles topics than 20 yrs ago. People begin to think there's something is very strange going on all over the world.
The information about aliens, angels, UFO have been available on the Internet for almost 40 yrs yrs.... Mow, people began to look, study these things for themselves just like I did last yr.
Nathan, it reminds me that in the bible Jesus told some that they were looking faithfully to the signs of the moon, tide whatever to "guide" their lives...I didn't get it from his thoughts that he was much for that when it took over the need to look to the spiritual things in the context of God, not the sign of the times which ARE things that are not really humanistic but of another life realm. Sharon ~ could you be referring also to the reference in the Bible about "cunningly devised fables of men?" I believe the birth about the religious crowd observing the signs of the times can be found in Luke 12, by the way?
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Post by faune on Oct 16, 2013 13:07:30 GMT -5
Thanks, again faune. You're one cool lady! Many middle age 40s and young people in the 20s are very fascinating with UFO and aliens topics. I gave over 1000s invitation of my message board to my customers to read the article Valiant Thor, an angel of God sent to President Eisenhower in 1957. It has reached 10,000 viewers in 14 months. I gave it to my Christians friends, pastors, ministers, Private investigator into the super natural, ex-priest, Bible college professor, non-believers, etc... and they love reading the information and they passed my message board link to their friends. The viewers are keep on growing. We talked about the information on the articles and they love it.... So, I am NOT crazy after all. People today are more open minded in super natural, Satan, angels, aliens, UFO, crop circles topics than 20 yrs ago. People begin to think there's something is very strange going on all over the world.
The information about aliens, angels, UFO have been available on the Internet for almost 40 yrs yrs.... Mow, people began to look, study these things for themselves just like I did last yr.
Nathan, it reminds me that in the bible Jesus told some that they were looking faithfully to the signs of the moon, tide whatever to "guide" their lives...I didn't get it from his thoughts that he was much for that when it took over the need to look to the spiritual things in the context of God, not the sign of the times which ARE things that are not really humanistic but of another life realm. Sharingtheriches ~ Were you referring to the passage from Luke 21:24-27 in your above response to Nathan, regarding what Jesus said about the end times or that portion of scripture from Matthew 16:1-4 in reference to the religious leaders observance of the weather patterns but not the signs of the times? Personally, I don't think Jesus would want for us to be taken up so much with looking for signs of His return as with living each day to glorify His Name by living by His precepts in our daily lives. Paul also made reference in Colossians 2:16,17 regarding the practice of some in the observance of new moons and pointed them back to the need to focus on Christ. www.studiesintheword.org/celebrating_the_new_moon.htm
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Post by snow on Oct 16, 2013 13:33:03 GMT -5
I don't want to be a raindrop!! I'm snow! Rain would destroy me!! Snow ~ Perhaps you could return to earth in winter months, which are quite long in Canada where you live, and there wouldn't be a problem with your composition as snow? This is true, we were supposed to get 'me' last night, but I fooled everyone and sent my cousin 'rain'.
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