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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 13, 2013 10:01:02 GMT -5
I agree about the word being "hollow"....seems there is a misspelling of hollow to hallow....hallow is not indicative of a hole of nothing.....and yes, there are many "plates" of the earth and this is what is constantly moving and seems gravity and gases, etc keep them moving so that in order the earth doesn't go "big bang" again, I suppose....but in the meantime we do see such awful devastations by volcanoes and earthquakes....but if those didn't happen, would the earth just get into such pressure it would pop and then nothing but smoke? I think the earth letting off 'steam' every now and then is likely a good thing. I think so too....I'd forgot to mention that there are "pockets" of gaseous substances and water within the plates of the earth....of course we've learned recently here in AR that putting in water where natural gas was removed has caused some minor earthquakes.....an area of the state was having multiple earthquakes within days of each other and so the powers that be asked the gas companies to shutdown some of the extractions of gas and replacement with water just to see if that anything to do with it and sure enough the earthquakes settled down....I think the water replacement perhaps has been refigured....I haven't heard if all the gas wells are functionary are not.
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Post by CherieKropp on Oct 13, 2013 10:23:09 GMT -5
I heard at Boring convention that Brad Lewis got married and living in the eastcoast. Congratulation, Brad. This is not true.
Brad's mother said she never talked to you at Boring conv. and her advice is to stay away from Nate--that he is crazy.
Perhaps you were talking to some other Mother of a son named Brad?
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Post by Greg on Oct 13, 2013 11:09:41 GMT -5
It would be a good thing if he did. It would settle the noise about worker tax fraud. However, I am sure Senator Grassley has a decent understanding of the tax code, or at least can easily find someone who does, and it won't go any further. The government is only interested in situations where they can increase the tax take, not where they will decrease the tax take. It's possible that, should the 2x2s keep the workers' money aboveboard by listing all the monies and expenses for the year (travel, medical, convention ground upkeep), that the government could collect less tax money than before. Right now, tax is paid without listing an organization or expenses. Who does the accounting? Who gets the accounting? Do you want breakdown per worker, per field, per state/province (or equivalent), per country, per whatever-the-large-regions-under-the-final-word-overseers are, or is worldwide okay? Could some use the information for reason to give or not to give to their local workers/convention and/or to give to or not to give to other (including "foreign") field workers and conventions? Would some assume the information is a tool for the workers to ask for money? If there is a breakdown to conventions, could Convention A attendees which gets $20,000 in donations feel Convention B which gets $100,000 in donations could share some of their donations? Should "estate" donations be fully disclosed (what about family privacy? and should benefit from such donations be spread out over fields and conventions nor just used (semi-)locally? Probably many, many more questions and concerns about going "public" with financial information.
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Post by blandie on Oct 13, 2013 13:35:58 GMT -5
I heard at Boring convention that Brad Lewis got married and living in the eastcoast. Congratulation, Brad. This is not true. Thanks for checking and that fits more with what others have said that he was living in Oregon even after the Boring convention. I sure have heard my share of false gossip and sugar coated character assasinations in 'the Truth' over the years so that rumor raised a question soon as I read it. Not that it would have made any difference if he had married and moved. And if Brad thinks that the foundations of the F&W contraption make the best option to it tear down and start fresh instead of continuing to put more new stopgap patches on it to allow it to continue a few more years or decades then that seems like as valid a take on solving the many problems as any other. The constant sniping at him in the past really degraded the snipers more than him anyways.
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 13, 2013 14:03:55 GMT -5
CD You wrote Regarding religion Ken, this is what we need to get right:
27 Pure religion and undefiled is this: To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
To focus on a theology arising from the imagination of the politicians who dreamed it up has little value and little comfort as indicated by the defenders of such theories. What you are hanging your hope on is at best a tenuous theory which produces no life, either now or later. Why not invest in something that is real and living such as indicated in the verse above that I quoted? Matt 25 is the perfect indicator that God will know you if you do those things......it won't be based on a theological construction of man
CD You imply focusing Jesus is theology. I am not hanging my hope on some theory. Few see Jesus as he is and He said so. Those that did found the savior not just a good man and religion teaching. CD I almost feel you are the straight man allowing me to tell the real story. Maybe not for you but for others who are searching . Anyways thanks for the opportunity ken
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Post by snow on Oct 13, 2013 14:46:07 GMT -5
If you have God, why do you need Jesus? Isn't God sufficient to do all the things you claim Jesus needs to do? Why does Jesus need to be a God too? I don't see how that is any different than polytheism. Not that I have a problem with polytheism, but isn't Christianity about having only one God? Not Three? Snow Not 3 Gods but God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Using polytheism argument is an old argument against a 3 in one God. Trinity is a term not used in the bible nor does it seem triune but these words do describe Our God. Different and showing Himself strong on behalf of those who have welcomed the Holy Spirit to dwell within them. I love the stories of David who God dealt with despite the mistakes. David had a consciousness of God and a desire to please Him. In one of Davids psalm he pleaded with God not to take His Holy Spirit from him. For us who are still in the land of the living we need that type of attitude. God desires to have fellowship with us and does when our thoughts and intentions are pure even as we bumble our way through life. JMT ken While I understand that is what you believe, that the 3 are 1, to people who don't believe that doctrine it is just polytheism. Either that or we are all part of God, are one with God. Instead of a trinity, it would be All is God, not just Jesus is God.
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Post by snow on Oct 13, 2013 14:52:04 GMT -5
I heard at Boring convention that Brad Lewis got married and living in the eastcoast. Congratulation, Brad. This is not true.
Brad's mother said she never talked to you at Boring conv. and her advice is to stay away from Nate--that he is crazy.
Perhaps you were talking to some other Mother of a son named Brad?
I believe it would have been more considerate to have posted this to Nathan privately. Or at least have left out the Second sentence?
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Post by CherieKropp on Oct 13, 2013 15:25:41 GMT -5
This is not true.
Brad's mother said she never talked to you at Boring conv. and her advice is to stay away from Nate--that he is crazy.
Perhaps you were talking to some other Mother of a son named Brad?
I believe it would have been more considerate to have posted this to Nathan privately. Or at least have left out the Second sentence? Nate and I go way back - we don't sugar coat things to/for each other. And we dont PM each other.
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 13, 2013 15:26:19 GMT -5
Snow Not 3 Gods but God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Using polytheism argument is an old argument against a 3 in one God. Trinity is a term not used in the bible nor does it seem triune but these words do describe Our God. Different and showing Himself strong on behalf of those who have welcomed the Holy Spirit to dwell within them. I love the stories of David who God dealt with despite the mistakes. David had a consciousness of God and a desire to please Him. In one of Davids psalm he pleaded with God not to take His Holy Spirit from him. For us who are still in the land of the living we need that type of attitude. God desires to have fellowship with us and does when our thoughts and intentions are pure even as we bumble our way through life. JMT ken While I understand that is what you believe, that the 3 are 1, to people who don't believe that doctrine it is just polytheism. Either that or we are all part of God, are one with God. Instead of a trinity, it would be All is God, not just Jesus is God. Snow I know that Love is a motivator for you. It is one of the characteristic of our understanding of God.We can find many good qualities in folks who have no desire to serve a living God. Our God declares us all sinners and that we are in dire need for a savior. No other religions deals with a bankrupt life. In other words we are all as filthy rags before a righteous God. We are all sinners,some saved and covered and many who are not Jesus is our only hope when we recognize our lost lives need a savior Despite the little good we can do in our own thoughts and strength we cannot redeem the time. Some find Christ on their deathbed, some struggle while yet alive. When we are confronted with a Holy God and see our poor estate there is great Joy when we surrender to the one who loves us with an everlasting love. I know so much being said that its just another life. When we read about those burned at the stake or mutilated and suffering all kind of cruelty by their fellowman then we understand how little faith we have and how much we need the Holy Spirt to guide,encourage and help us face our daily battles. Folks are dieing all over the planet for a testimony of a Living God. The charctereistics of God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is a mystery but to those who believe the simple story God is alive and real to them in all three forms. They are charged and encouraged to tell others that we serve a living God not a theory as CD implies ken
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Post by snow on Oct 13, 2013 15:37:38 GMT -5
I believe it would have been more considerate to have posted this to Nathan privately. Or at least have left out the Second sentence? Nate and I go way back - we don't sugar coat things to/for each other. And we dont PM each other. Okay. It seemed harsh to me. You would know better than me what your relationship is like, of course. As an outsider it concerned me.
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Post by snow on Oct 13, 2013 15:41:04 GMT -5
While I understand that is what you believe, that the 3 are 1, to people who don't believe that doctrine it is just polytheism. Either that or we are all part of God, are one with God. Instead of a trinity, it would be All is God, not just Jesus is God. Snow I know that Love is a motivator for you. It is one of the characteristic of our understanding of God.We can find many good qualities in folks who have no desire to serve a living God. Our God declares us all sinners and that we are in dire need for a savior. No other religions deals with a bankrupt life. In other words we are all as filthy rags before a righteous God. We are all sinners,some saved and covered and many who are not Jesus is our only hope when we recognize our lost lives need a savior Despite the little good we can do in our own thoughts and strength we cannot redeem the time. Some find Christ on their deathbed, some struggle while yet alive. When we are confronted with a Holy God and see our poor estate there is great Joy when we surrender to the one who loves us with an everlasting love. I know so much being said that its just another life. When we read about those burned at the stake or mutilated and suffering all kind of cruelty by their fellowman then we understand how little faith we have and how much we need the Holy Spirt to guide,encourage and help us face our daily battles. Folks are dieing all over the planet for a testimony of a Living God. The charctereistics of God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is a mystery but to those who believe the simple story God is alive and real to them in all three forms. They are charged and encouraged to tell others that we serve a living God not a theory as CD implies ken Yes, I recognize it is important to you to tell others what brings you joy. Love is the unifier. It is the glue that makes us compassionate with each other.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 15:41:15 GMT -5
CD You wrote Regarding religion Ken, this is what we need to get right: 27 Pure religion and undefiled is this: To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. To focus on a theology arising from the imagination of the politicians who dreamed it up has little value and little comfort as indicated by the defenders of such theories. What you are hanging your hope on is at best a tenuous theory which produces no life, either now or later. Why not invest in something that is real and living such as indicated in the verse above that I quoted? Matt 25 is the perfect indicator that God will know you if you do those things......it won't be based on a theological construction of man CD You imply focusing Jesus is theology. I am not hanging my hope on some theory. Few see Jesus as he is and He said so. Those that did found the savior not just a good man and religion teaching. CD I almost feel you are the straight man allowing me to tell the real story. Maybe not for you but for others who are searching . Anyways thanks for the opportunity ken That is what a good conversation is all about, it allows people to hear different points of view. I am also happy to have been able to present the importance of a real and living way which does not hang on a theology which neither changes lives nor makes the world a better place. It is only by living according to the Christ within will God ever know you, and there is no requirement to get the theology right.....that much is clear in the bible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 15:45:21 GMT -5
Regarding religion Ken, this is what we need to get right: 27 Pure religion and undefiled is this: To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.To focus on a theology arising from the imagination of the politicians who dreamed it up has little value and little comfort as indicated by the defenders of such theories. What you are hanging your hope on is at best a tenuous theory which produces no life, either now or later. Why not invest in something that is real and living such as indicated in the verse above that I quoted? Matt 25 is the perfect indicator that God will know you if you do those things......it won't be based on a theological construction of man. Ironically, two Sundays ago we heard from one of our most venerable system believers that we did not have to worry about the fatherless and widows but we did need to keep ourselves unspotted from the world. And our workers have told us not to get involved in soup kitchens and other charitable activities...I don't think our group is comfortable with anything but the 'unspotted' part of this verse for the most part. No doubt. Far too many F&Ws who do good community work sneak around to do it. I think the history on this is a misinterpretation of this: "the poor you will always have with you", in error thinking this is an indication that charitable work is futile.
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Post by snow on Oct 13, 2013 16:02:28 GMT -5
Ironically, two Sundays ago we heard from one of our most venerable system believers that we did not have to worry about the fatherless and widows but we did need to keep ourselves unspotted from the world. And our workers have told us not to get involved in soup kitchens and other charitable activities...I don't think our group is comfortable with anything but the 'unspotted' part of this verse for the most part. No doubt. Far too many F&Ws who do good community work sneak around to do it. I think the history on this is a misinterpretation of this: "the poor you will always have with you", in error thinking this is an indication that charitable work is futile. That mindset to not be charitable seems like such a contradiction with being a Christian. I honestly cannot comprehend how a Christian could not be totally, 100% dedicated to contribute to the needs of others. I thought it was the whole idea behind the concept of love and compassion and that your Christ taught that. He may have stated a fact about the poor, but he spent a lot of his time healing, and helping those who needed him. How could his example ever be misinterpreted so drastically? How, if we are loving and compassionate, can we sit still and NOT help those in need around us?
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Post by fixit on Oct 13, 2013 17:01:05 GMT -5
Ironically, two Sundays ago we heard from one of our most venerable system believers that we did not have to worry about the fatherless and widows but we did need to keep ourselves unspotted from the world. And our workers have told us not to get involved in soup kitchens and other charitable activities...I don't think our group is comfortable with anything but the 'unspotted' part of this verse for the most part. No doubt. Far too many F&Ws who do good community work sneak around to do it. I think the history on this is a misinterpretation of this: "the poor you will always have with you", in error thinking this is an indication that charitable work is futile. Also, "let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 17:37:30 GMT -5
No doubt. Far too many F&Ws who do good community work sneak around to do it. I think the history on this is a misinterpretation of this: "the poor you will always have with you", in error thinking this is an indication that charitable work is futile. Also, "let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing". True, but that one actually implies that charity work is a good thing, it's just interpreted to be quiet about it......which is fine. Personally, I don't see any problem with someone letting others know what they are doing as it can often inspire others to do the same. The scripture seems to be pointing out that either is ok, it's just a difference on when and where the rewards of such actions will appear. I have to say that I can't recall offhand any instance of any worker preaching in favour of doing good community work beyond helping the meeting people and even then, very little of that. In fact, when I was growing up, the idea was specifically preached against. It would be good for the souls of all F&Ws to engage in this and also encourage others to step out into the community to do good things there. I wonder if some F&Ws actually think that if they help out non-meeting people, they may as well be helping out the devil?
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Post by snow on Oct 13, 2013 19:38:34 GMT -5
Okay. It seemed harsh to me. You would know better than me what your relationship is like, of course. As an outsider it concerned me. Thanks, snow AND I agree with you. You have a good heart, which I appreciate my dialogue with you on this message board. For three years Brad's mom and I talked at Boring convention during convention time almost an hour every time. We talked about many different topics. Yes, I didn't talk to Brad's mom personally this year. This friend is an relative to Brad's Lewis mom. He told me and another friend when I asked where is brad L. these days? He told me so I want to know if these information is true. If it is congratulation, Brad.
My last year in the work was in Brad's mom field. I stayed in their homes a few times. So, I know Brad and his family history quite well... Before, during, and after Brad L. went in the work. His time on this message board in the past.
Getting inaccurate info happens to everyone now and then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 19:59:47 GMT -5
Also, "let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing". True, but that one actually implies that charity work is a good thing, it's just interpreted to be quiet about it......which is fine. Personally, I don't see any problem with someone letting others know what they are doing as it can often inspire others to do the same. The scripture seems to be pointing out that either is ok, it's just a difference on when and where the rewards of such actions will appear. I have to say that I can't recall offhand any instance of any worker preaching in favour of doing good community work beyond helping the meeting people and even then, very little of that. In fact, when I was growing up, the idea was specifically preached against. It would be good for the souls of all F&Ws to engage in this and also encourage others to step out into the community to do good things there. I wonder if some F&Ws actually think that if they help out non-meeting people, they may as well be helping out the devil? I asked a worker about it some time ago and he said 'we don't want bread and butter Christians.' Our current worker preached against it using the same catch phrase. Maybe its the official SoCa answer? However, that implies that the only reason to help someone out is because they might come to our church--something which was not at all part of the Good Samaritan teaching of Jesus. You ask a good question, CD, and I don't know the answer and I agree that it would be good to get all of us out in the community for practical charitable deeds. Someone in their testimony at Fallbrook this morning said we should only offer water to someone in need if we discern their Spirit is like ours if we want a reward. And one of the brother workers was nodding his head in agreement and said a loud amen. Sigh.
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 13, 2013 20:25:30 GMT -5
True, but that one actually implies that charity work is a good thing, it's just interpreted to be quiet about it......which is fine. Personally, I don't see any problem with someone letting others know what they are doing as it can often inspire others to do the same. The scripture seems to be pointing out that either is ok, it's just a difference on when and where the rewards of such actions will appear. I have to say that I can't recall offhand any instance of any worker preaching in favour of doing good community work beyond helping the meeting people and even then, very little of that. In fact, when I was growing up, the idea was specifically preached against. It would be good for the souls of all F&Ws to engage in this and also encourage others to step out into the community to do good things there. I wonder if some F&Ws actually think that if they help out non-meeting people, they may as well be helping out the devil? I asked a worker about it some time ago and he said 'we don't want bread and butter Christians.' Our current worker preached against it using the same catch phrase. Maybe its the official SoCa answer? However, that implies that the only reason to help someone out is because they might come to our church--something which was not at all part of the Good Samaritan teaching of Jesus. You ask a good question, CD, and I don't know the answer and I agree that it would be good to get all of us out in the community for practical charitable deeds. Someone in their testimony at Fallbrook this morning said we should only offer water to someone in need if we discern their Spirit is like ours if we want a reward. And one of the brother workers was nodding his head in agreement and said a loud amen. Sigh. Hberry/CD I can tell stories when we were going to meeting but I won't.Both of you are still in meeting and I appreciate that you have shared your thoughts which seem to be like swimming upstream. The workers are in unison with many so called Christians in other denominations who refuse to help people in need. Like they deserve what they get. Too lazy to work, spend any money that you might give them on cigs,booze or drugs . Any excuse even that verse the poor you always have with you. I am afraid that those who find excuses haven't seen the ball since kickoff that would be workers pastors and individuals but forgive me I am a recovering judgementalist Love you Both ken ken
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 13, 2013 22:24:00 GMT -5
True, but that one actually implies that charity work is a good thing, it's just interpreted to be quiet about it......which is fine. Personally, I don't see any problem with someone letting others know what they are doing as it can often inspire others to do the same. The scripture seems to be pointing out that either is ok, it's just a difference on when and where the rewards of such actions will appear. I have to say that I can't recall offhand any instance of any worker preaching in favour of doing good community work beyond helping the meeting people and even then, very little of that. In fact, when I was growing up, the idea was specifically preached against. It would be good for the souls of all F&Ws to engage in this and also encourage others to step out into the community to do good things there. I wonder if some F&Ws actually think that if they help out non-meeting people, they may as well be helping out the devil? I asked a worker about it some time ago and he said 'we don't want bread and butter Christians.' Our current worker preached against it using the same catch phrase. Maybe its the official SoCa answer? However, that implies that the only reason to help someone out is because they might come to our church--something which was not at all part of the Good Samaritan teaching of Jesus. You ask a good question, CD, and I don't know the answer and I agree that it would be good to get all of us out in the community for practical charitable deeds. Someone in their testimony at Fallbrook this morning said we should only offer water to someone in need if we discern their Spirit is like ours if we want a reward. And one of the brother workers was nodding his head in agreement and said a loud amen. Sigh. Its hard to understand anyone that claims to be a Christian to say something so unsympathetic of their fellow human beings!
Then to have a worker nod in approval is even worse!
Unbelievable!
What do they think the Good Samaritan story means anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 22:26:55 GMT -5
I asked a worker about it some time ago and he said 'we don't want bread and butter Christians.' Our current worker preached against it using the same catch phrase. Maybe its the official SoCa answer? However, that implies that the only reason to help someone out is because they might come to our church--something which was not at all part of the Good Samaritan teaching of Jesus. You ask a good question, CD, and I don't know the answer and I agree that it would be good to get all of us out in the community for practical charitable deeds. Someone in their testimony at Fallbrook this morning said we should only offer water to someone in need if we discern their Spirit is like ours if we want a reward. And one of the brother workers was nodding his head in agreement and said a loud amen. Sigh. Its hard to understand anyone that claims to be a Christian to say something so unsympathetic of their fellow human beings!
Then to have a worker nod in approval is even worse!
Unbelievable!
What do they think the Good Samaritan story means anyway?
My husband and I said exactly that when we got in the car and made our escape.
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Post by faune on Oct 14, 2013 10:36:56 GMT -5
I believe it would have been more considerate to have posted this to Nathan privately. Or at least have left out the Second sentence? Nate and I go way back - we don't sugar coat things to/for each other. And we dont PM each other. Cherie ~ It's pretty obvious you don't "sugar coat things" for the people you don't especially like on this Board. However, your response was way over the top and quite harsh considering it was simply a wrong assumption on Nathan's part and he owned up to his own error most graciously. He explained his past relationship with Brad's family and also revealed it was a relative close to the family who shared this information with him. Apparently, he got wrong information from this family member and shared it on this Board? However, that's an easy mistake to make and I don't feel he should have been chided so harshly for doing so. Your own personal dislike for Nathan really came through in your post! Just my thoughts. Also, don't you think that Brad's mother might be just a little upset over you sharing something she supposedly said in private with you on a public board? It seems that you are breaking one of your own "cardinal rules" of privacy on TLC about sharing something relayed to you in confidence on TMB? Nathan's response...
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Post by quizzer on Oct 14, 2013 10:37:57 GMT -5
It's possible that, should the 2x2s keep the workers' money aboveboard by listing all the monies and expenses for the year (travel, medical, convention ground upkeep), that the government could collect less tax money than before. Right now, tax is paid without listing an organization or expenses. Who does the accounting? Who gets the accounting? Do you want breakdown per worker, per field, per state/province (or equivalent), per country, per whatever-the-large-regions-under-the-final-word-overseers are, or is worldwide okay? Could some use the information for reason to give or not to give to their local workers/convention and/or to give to or not to give to other (including "foreign") field workers and conventions? Would some assume the information is a tool for the workers to ask for money? If there is a breakdown to conventions, could Convention A attendees which gets $20,000 in donations feel Convention B which gets $100,000 in donations could share some of their donations? Should "estate" donations be fully disclosed (what about family privacy? and should benefit from such donations be spread out over fields and conventions nor just used (semi-)locally? Probably many, many more questions and concerns about going "public" with financial information. What's the big deal? The overseers can afford accountants, just as they've paid lawyers.
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Post by faune on Oct 14, 2013 10:56:58 GMT -5
Quizzer ~ They pay high profile lawyers when they get caught breaking the law or not enforcing it as required ~ why not accountants? Jerome Frandle learned his lesson well recently about being a "mandated reporter" of CSA and the Truth grapevine carried his story to other overseers here and abroad very quickly. Honestly, I wonder how they would justify all the monies they have stashed away for their personal use to the IRS myself? Another question of accountability to the laws of the land perhaps?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 14, 2013 15:16:57 GMT -5
Snow I know that Love is a motivator for you. It is one of the characteristic of our understanding of God.We can find many good qualities in folks who have no desire to serve a living God. Our God declares us all sinners and that we are in dire need for a savior. No other religions deals with a bankrupt life. In other words we are all as filthy rags before a righteous God. We are all sinners,some saved and covered and many who are not Jesus is our only hope when we recognize our lost lives need a savior Despite the little good we can do in our own thoughts and strength we cannot redeem the time. Some find Christ on their deathbed, some struggle while yet alive. When we are confronted with a Holy God and see our poor estate there is great Joy when we surrender to the one who loves us with an everlasting love. I know so much being said that its just another life. When we read about those burned at the stake or mutilated and suffering all kind of cruelty by their fellowman then we understand how little faith we have and how much we need the Holy Spirt to guide,encourage and help us face our daily battles. Folks are dieing all over the planet for a testimony of a Living God. The charctereistics of God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is a mystery but to those who believe the simple story God is alive and real to them in all three forms. They are charged and encouraged to tell others that we serve a living God not a theory as CD implies ken Yes, I recognize it is important to you to tell others what brings you joy. Love is the unifier. It is the glue that makes us compassionate with each other. I have felt that when a person experiences such great joy and love and peace that the love that begets in our hearts makes us want to share that...we'd like for other people to have that same greatjoy and love and peace! Is this not part and parcel of loving one another?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 14, 2013 15:21:36 GMT -5
CD You wrote Regarding religion Ken, this is what we need to get right: 27 Pure religion and undefiled is this: To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. To focus on a theology arising from the imagination of the politicians who dreamed it up has little value and little comfort as indicated by the defenders of such theories. What you are hanging your hope on is at best a tenuous theory which produces no life, either now or later. Why not invest in something that is real and living such as indicated in the verse above that I quoted? Matt 25 is the perfect indicator that God will know you if you do those things......it won't be based on a theological construction of man CD You imply focusing Jesus is theology. I am not hanging my hope on some theory. Few see Jesus as he is and He said so. Those that did found the savior not just a good man and religion teaching. CD I almost feel you are the straight man allowing me to tell the real story. Maybe not for you but for others who are searching . Anyways thanks for the opportunity ken That is what a good conversation is all about, it allows people to hear different points of view. I am also happy to have been able to present the importance of a real and living way which does not hang on a theology which neither changes lives nor makes the world a better place. It is only by living according to the Christ within will God ever know you, and there is no requirement to get the theology right.....that much is clear in the bible. Reading some of Paul's writings, he wrote to some of the churches in such a manner as he called it feeding them with the milk of the word....and other churches he mentioned that he could feed them with the meat of the word...those that had exercised the scripture in their lives in reading and praying and meditation could "bear" the meat of the word, but those who had not excercised themselves in the word were not able for anything but the milk of the word.
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Post by rational on Oct 14, 2013 15:22:56 GMT -5
Right now, tax is paid without listing an organization or expenses. What tax is paid?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 14, 2013 15:31:18 GMT -5
Also, "let not your left hand know what your right hand is doing". True, but that one actually implies that charity work is a good thing, it's just interpreted to be quiet about it......which is fine. Personally, I don't see any problem with someone letting others know what they are doing as it can often inspire others to do the same. The scripture seems to be pointing out that either is ok, it's just a difference on when and where the rewards of such actions will appear. I have to say that I can't recall offhand any instance of any worker preaching in favour of doing good community work beyond helping the meeting people and even then, very little of that. In fact, when I was growing up, the idea was specifically preached against. It would be good for the souls of all F&Ws to engage in this and also encourage others to step out into the community to do good things there. I wonder if some F&Ws actually think that if they help out non-meeting people, they may as well be helping out the devil? I found that the years I spent working at the charity clinic in this area helped me to realize more exact what loving one's brother is all about and how it makes you feel in the long run. I rubbed elbows with some of life's crustiest people and people so low down on the society ladder that it would find they in the dirt under the ladder's legs! But I really enjoyed getting to know many of those people. In spite of the way I was forced to leave the clinic, there are still patients asking for me and some are so angry about me being tossed out...but then of course, there's little they can do....I've had some of them come up to me in Wallyworld and express their dismay at my absence at their clinic. And I DO miss them! If I were a lot younger, I'd set to and have my own clinic...ha ha....all has worked out though to the best due to my ESRD.....
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