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Post by christiansburg on Sept 30, 2013 16:35:02 GMT -5
I just finished reading this book. In my opinion it is a good study lesson for those still with the movement and those who have left. I would encourage everyone to buy the book and read it. That way we can enter into a more informative discussion.
The book contains so many different subjects that I will create a new thread when I feel that a new subject merits that. Otherwise we will just continue to go off on a tangent and lose the point. If you doubt that that will happen just take a look at the first thread that was started almost two months ago. There about 39 pages and most have no reference to his book at all. I will prepare a short summary to my first insight soon.
I would like to say to any still professing people please do not be afraid of reading this. My opinion is that it will more than likely help you. Don't worry about making a huge profit for Mr. Grey because I don't think that was his object to begin with. The book is relatively inexpensive. And no he has not talked to me about advertising for him.
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Post by christiansburg on Sept 30, 2013 18:31:46 GMT -5
I just finished reading this book. In my opinion it is a good study lesson for those still with the movement and those who have left. I would encourage everyone to buy the book and read it. That way we can enter into a more informative discussion. The book contains so many different subjects that I will create a new thread when I feel that a new subject merits that. Otherwise we will just continue to go off on a tangent and lose the point. If you doubt that that will happen just take a look at the first thread that was started almost two months ago. There about 39 pages and most have no reference to his book at all. I will prepare a short summary to my first insight soon. I would like to say to any still professing people please do not be afraid of reading this. My opinion is that it will more than likely help you. Don't worry about making a huge profit for Mr. Grey because I don't think that was his object to begin with. The book is relatively inexpensive. And no he has not talked to me about advertising for him. A quick comment to my initial post just in case you are wondering about me. I forgot to mention that I am still professing so my comment will be both objective and defensive.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 30, 2013 20:43:13 GMT -5
I just finished reading this book. In my opinion it is a good study lesson for those still with the movement and those who have left. I would encourage everyone to buy the book and read it. That way we can enter into a more informative discussion. The book contains so many different subjects that I will create a new thread when I feel that a new subject merits that. Otherwise we will just continue to go off on a tangent and lose the point. If you doubt that that will happen just take a look at the first thread that was started almost two months ago. There about 39 pages and most have no reference to his book at all. I will prepare a short summary to my first insight soon. I would like to say to any still professing people please do not be afraid of reading this. My opinion is that it will more than likely help you. Don't worry about making a huge profit for Mr. Grey because I don't think that was his object to begin with. The book is relatively inexpensive. And no he has not talked to me about advertising for him. A quick comment to my initial post just in case you are wondering about me. I forgot to mention that I am still professing so my comment will be both objective and defensive. Irvinegrey's post below indicates one reason I don't particularly want to waste my time reading his book.
Although at first I thought his book was to have been a scholarly unbiased study of a religion. From his post below & the comments of others here on the TMB board it has become clear to me it is not so, that it is just one more of a numerous Christian apologia.
Irvinegrey's post:
I read these comments with profound sadness. They mock the veracity of Holy Scripture and are nothing short of utter blasphemy. By all means you can reject the major teachings of Christianity but at least do it with some respect and reverence. By rejecting the virgin birth of Jesus Christ you, by implication reject the deity of Christ and the efficacy of His death on the cross to avert the wrath of God and atone for our sin.
They really have no place on this thread!
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Post by snow on Sept 30, 2013 21:12:41 GMT -5
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Post by christiansburg on Oct 1, 2013 9:26:41 GMT -5
Thanks for a reference to this thread. I had not read that but some of my comments are with the thought that it was indeed biased from the onset because of his objective. That is proven early on when her references the last two sentences of the book in his opening statements.
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Post by snow on Oct 1, 2013 11:26:57 GMT -5
Thanks for a reference to this thread. I had not read that but some of my comments are with the thought that it was indeed biased from the onset because of his objective. That is proven early on when her references the last two sentences of the book in his opening statements. yw, I thought it was a very indepth and well laid out critique. I sometimes wonder what his professors thought of his paper. How well it was received in academic circles etc. We haven't seen the actual paper, just the book from the paper I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 11:58:41 GMT -5
Thanks for a reference to this thread. I had not read that but some of my comments are with the thought that it was indeed biased from the onset because of his objective. That is proven early on when her references the last two sentences of the book in his opening statements. yw, I thought it was a very indepth and well laid out critique. I sometimes wonder what his professors thought of his paper. How well it was received in academic circles etc. We haven't seen the actual paper, just the book from the paper I believe. Since the degree the paper was pursuing was Philosophy, not Theology, History or Sociology, I would suggest that most of the theological, historical and sociological elements of the paper received little or no scrutiny from the academics of those disciplines. The reason for the difference, from what I recall, is that a Masters in Theology requires direct classroom, systematic studies. A Masters in Philosophy can be applied for with the paper only. At least that is more or less what I recall reading on the QUB site. Had the author taken the appropriate studies, he would have been able to apply for the Theological degree and would have had a much closer scrutiny I would expect.
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Post by What Hat on Oct 1, 2013 12:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Oct 1, 2013 13:36:26 GMT -5
yw, I thought it was a very indepth and well laid out critique. I sometimes wonder what his professors thought of his paper. How well it was received in academic circles etc. We haven't seen the actual paper, just the book from the paper I believe. Since the degree the paper was pursuing was Philosophy, not Theology, History or Sociology, I would suggest that most of the theological, historical and sociological elements of the paper received little or no scrutiny from the academics of those disciplines. The reason for the difference, from what I recall, is that a Masters in Theology requires direct classroom, systematic studies. A Masters in Philosophy can be applied for with the paper only. At least that is more or less what I recall reading on the QUB site. Had the author taken the appropriate studies, he would have been able to apply for the Theological degree and would have had a much closer scrutiny I would expect. That makes sense actually. Philosophy is not as specialized in that regard are they. They would not be looking closely at the accuracy of the description of the religion as much as the philosophy he felt applied to the religion. Theology wouldn't be a strong point either.
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Post by christiansburg on Oct 6, 2013 20:51:25 GMT -5
A quick comment to my initial post just in case you are wondering about me. I forgot to mention that I am still professing so my comment will be both objective and defensive. Irvinegrey's post below indicates one reason I don't particularly want to waste my time reading his book.
Although at first I thought his book was to have been a scholarly unbiased study of a religion. From his post below & the comments of others here on the TMB board it has become clear to me it is not so, that it is just one more of a numerous Christian apologia.
Irvinegrey's post:
I read these comments with profound sadness. They mock the veracity of Holy Scripture and are nothing short of utter blasphemy. By all means you can reject the major teachings of Christianity but at least do it with some respect and reverence. By rejecting the virgin birth of Jesus Christ you, by implication reject the deity of Christ and the efficacy of His death on the cross to avert the wrath of God and atone for our sin.
They really have no place on this thread!
Analysis of his book has been a real challenge for me because he addresses so many issues. Believe me I am trying to give a balanced opinion on his writing. I will post part of my extensive comments soon. Trying to be careful about stating what we stand for as well as considering some of our real problems. I am still 100% behind our ministry.
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Post by christiansburg on Nov 20, 2014 17:34:56 GMT -5
I just finished reading this book. In my opinion it is a good study lesson for those still with the movement and those who have left. I would encourage everyone to buy the book and read it. That way we can enter into a more informative discussion. The book contains so many different subjects that I will create a new thread when I feel that a new subject merits that. Otherwise we will just continue to go off on a tangent and lose the point. If you doubt that that will happen just take a look at the first thread that was started almost two months ago. There about 39 pages and most have no reference to his book at all. I will prepare a short summary to my first insight soon. I would like to say to any still professing people please do not be afraid of reading this. My opinion is that it will more than likely help you. Don't worry about making a huge profit for Mr. Grey because I don't think that was his object to begin with. The book is relatively inexpensive. And no he has not talked to me about advertising for him. Somewhere buried in the book review section is my Critique on Irvine Grey's book. It would be Thread III and titled "Shape of the Shapeless Movement -- Critique by Christiansburg Thread III. I just can't locate it right now. You would likely download it.
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