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Post by cbs on Sept 21, 2013 9:06:33 GMT -5
Just started reading this book. While I can't write much about it yet, wondered if anyone else has heard about her, read her book or listened to her sermons. I've just listened to 1 of her sermons and found it quite compelling. In her pastor-ship reaches out to broken and hurting people. www.nadiabolzweber.com/
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Post by Mary on Sept 21, 2013 16:07:46 GMT -5
Good to start discussing another book, the other thread was getting a bit stale and off track. I haven't read it but am interested in hearing what you have to say about it. if I get time I will look at it.
............ooops, just checked the link you gave. The tattoos put me off. Reminded me of what the workers taught, that what is on the inside will show on the outside. Now, I disagree with that statement as Jesus said the Pharisees appeared religious but inwardly were far from God but a little but of 'a standard' please. Especially for us oldies.
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Post by cbs on Sept 21, 2013 16:58:41 GMT -5
Good to start discussing another book, the other thread was getting a bit stale and off track. I haven't read it but am interested in hearing what you have to say about it. if I get time I will look at it. ............ooops, just checked the link you gave. The tattoos put me off. Reminded me of what the workers taught, that what is on the inside will show on the outside. Now, I disagree with that statement as Jesus said the Pharisees appeared religious but inwardly were far from God but a little but of 'a standard' please. Especially for us oldies. Yea, it is stretching me a bit but I have to say, she has some good thoughts. I'm just on chapter 2. Oh and this book was recommended by Rob Bell author of Love Wins.
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Post by What Hat on Sept 21, 2013 23:38:25 GMT -5
I find the tattoos off-putting. I'm old school and associate tattoos with drunken sailors, although I'm trying to be a bit more open minded about them. Apparently, she has the Christian story tattooed all over her arms and body.
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Post by fixit on Sept 21, 2013 23:53:34 GMT -5
Its unfortunate that her narrative has to be profanity-laden, but I suppose I shouldn't judge a book by its cover.
...in her messy, beautiful, prayer-and-profanity laden narrative about an unconventional life of faith.
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Post by Mary on Sept 22, 2013 5:12:12 GMT -5
I did not read any profanity on the site. Maybe I am looking at the wrong place but I looked as much as I could and did not see any.
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Post by cbs on Sept 22, 2013 9:10:29 GMT -5
So let's talk about the author since that is the first roadblock for us. I mean this as a critical thinking exercise and not criticism.
Tattoo's are a passing phase with the younger generation. I think when they are older and the tattoo's are fading and ugly will be the end of the phase. Right now it's one of the ways they communicate their beliefs and emotions. Tattoo's like piercings, makeup, hair dye or any other means of defacing the body are expressions. Some are mild and some are in-you-face.
Here's some questions I came up with... feel free to add. What if she had tattoo's but you couldn't see any of them? Would she have different standards? Are tattoo's a sin? Does a tattoo (lol, or many in her case) mean she has nothing of value to contribute?
I have to admit to being mildly off-put also but listened to one of her sermons and was drawn in. I had to read her book.
She is actually a very unlikely pastor but one with a love for broken people. How can one deny that?
This is an encouragement to read and and lets discuss. My hubby sticks these things in my way and I have to check them out. I just listed to another sermon today that stretched me again but that is for a different thread!
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Post by What Hat on Sept 22, 2013 10:07:45 GMT -5
I did not read any profanity on the site. Maybe I am looking at the wrong place but I looked as much as I could and did not see any. The italicized line in 'fixit's post is likely from the site. Does that help?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 10:11:20 GMT -5
I did not read any profanity on the site. Maybe I am looking at the wrong place but I looked as much as I could and did not see any. The italicized line in 'fixit's post is likely from the site. Does that help? It is from the site...it mentions prayer and profanity in reference to her book. I too was a little startled by that comment. "Pastrix: The Cranky, Beautiful Faith of a Sinner & Saint Outrageous, rich, and remarkable, PASTRIX turns spiritual memoir on its ear in this sardonically irreverent and beautifully honest page-turner. Nadia Bolz-Weber takes no prisoners as she reclaims the term “pastrix” (pronounced “pas-triks,” a term used by some Christians who refuse to recognize female pastors) in her messy, beautiful, prayer-and-profanity laden narrative about an unconventional life of faith. Heavily tattooed and..."
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Post by What Hat on Sept 22, 2013 10:13:38 GMT -5
So let's talk about the author since that is the first roadblock for us. I mean this as a critical thinking exercise and not criticism. Tattoo's are a passing phase with the younger generation. I think when they are older and the tattoo's are fading and ugly will be the end of the phase. Right now it's one of the ways they communicate their beliefs and emotions. Tattoo's like piercings, makeup, hair dye or any other means of defacing the body are expressions. Some are mild and some are in-you-face. Here's some questions I came up with... feel free to add. What if she had tattoo's but you couldn't see any of them? Would she have different standards? Are tattoo's a sin? Does a tattoo (lol, or many in her case) mean she has nothing of value to contribute? I have to admit to being mildly off-put also but listened to one of her sermons and was drawn in. I had to read her book. She is actually a very unlikely pastor but one with a love for broken people. How can one deny that? This is an encouragement to read and and lets discuss. My hubby sticks these things in my way and I have to check them out. I just listed to another sermon today that stretched me again but that is for a different thread! CBS There's always this issue when working with "broken people" as to the extent you go to their level, versus bringing them up to something better. I think that covering your body in tattoos sends out the wrong message. However, I would still read her book if I felt convinced that she might have something interesting to say. I often do read material that goes against the grain, and interferes with my own way of thinking. The other way of thinking about the tattoos is that Christian ideas can re-inform an existing culture: thus we have Christian rock, Christian bikers, and so on. Perhaps by wearing these ideas as tattoos she can reach a new group of people. Although I'm not sure about it, I would keep an open mind about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 10:39:24 GMT -5
I have a conceptual problem with conforming myself to the culture I'm trying to reach in order to have some sort of 'street cred' (in the words of Hugh Halter) with them. However, I'm willing to confess that this could just be a cover for the fact that tattoos give me the creeps, especially facial tats.
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Post by What Hat on Sept 22, 2013 13:26:43 GMT -5
I have a conceptual problem with conforming myself to the culture I'm trying to reach in order to have some sort of 'street cred' (in the words of Hugh Halter) with them. However, I'm willing to confess that this could just be a cover for the fact that tattoos give me the creeps, especially facial tats. I think it's okay to say that something might not be our form of worship, but that we would not judge as far as the Spirit is concerned, pro- or con-. When we think we have all the answers, that puts us in a bind about having to judge every little thing. It's okay to have a comfort zone I think, as long as we don't confuse our personal comfort zone with the Holy Spirit's leading and guiding. In fact, as far as I understand the leading of the Holy Spirit, it tends to pull you out of your comfort zone. And that's why it is all the more important to keep an open mind, and not be overly judgemental.
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Post by fixit on Sept 22, 2013 14:49:59 GMT -5
I did not read any profanity on the site. Maybe I am looking at the wrong place but I looked as much as I could and did not see any. The italicized line in 'fixit's post is likely from the site. Does that help? I had in mind obscenity, but I suspect the user of the word had in mind irreverent or blasphemous speech i.e. writing in a way that might offend Christian orthodoxy. pro•fan•i•ty (prəˈfæn ɪ ti, proʊ-) n., pl. -ties. 1. the quality of being profane; irreverence. 2. irreverent or blasphemous speech. 3. a blasphemous act or utterance. 4. obscenity (def. 2). I'm thinking this woman might have something of value to pass on, even though I think tattoos are a crying shame.
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Post by snow on Sept 22, 2013 14:50:57 GMT -5
I have a conceptual problem with conforming myself to the culture I'm trying to reach in order to have some sort of 'street cred' (in the words of Hugh Halter) with them. However, I'm willing to confess that this could just be a cover for the fact that tattoos give me the creeps, especially facial tats. While I am not a fan of tats, I do see the benefit of taking on the appearance of a group in order to 'speak' to that group. If you are too drastically different, the group may completely write you off as 'not one of them' so therefore of no 'consequence'. If you can speak to them at their level yet have a message that transcends that level, then you have a very good chance of introducing them to a whole new way of thinking. That's something there would possibly be no way of doing if you didn't outwardly related to them at some level in the first place. Once you gain respect then you have a better chance of also being a positive influence. Our outward appearances do not always reflect the person within. I think every generation should know that at some level. Our parents totally wrote off the 60's crowd, but they had a lot to offer even though their appearance was totally different from their parents.
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Post by Mary on Sept 22, 2013 15:34:19 GMT -5
Most people do not have tattoos so surely she could reach a far wider audience without tattoos than with them. People with tattoos are far more likely to accept those without tattoos than those without tattoos accepting those with them - if that makes sense. Guess tattoos can be seen as a form of profanity.
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Post by snow on Sept 22, 2013 16:04:24 GMT -5
Most people do not have tattoos so surely she could reach a far wider audience without tattoos than with them. People with tattoos are far more likely to accept those without tattoos than those without tattoos accepting those with them - if that makes sense. Guess tattoos can be seen as a form of profanity. Yes the audience would be bigger, but there is already lots of people that appeal to that audience. The Tat audience would a be a smaller more specific one and every bit as much important to be reached as any other. If she can reach them in her way, then good for her!
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 22, 2013 16:54:13 GMT -5
So let's talk about the author since that is the first roadblock for us. I mean this as a critical thinking exercise and not criticism. Tattoo's are a passing phase with the younger generation. I think when they are older and the tattoo's are fading and ugly will be the end of the phase. Right now it's one of the ways they communicate their beliefs and emotions. Tattoo's like piercings, makeup, hair dye or any other means of defacing the body are expressions. Some are mild and some are in-you-face.Here's some questions I came up with... feel free to add. What if she had tattoo's but you couldn't see any of them? Would she have different standards? Are tattoo's a sin? Does a tattoo (lol, or many in her case) mean she has nothing of value to contribute? I have to admit to being mildly off-put also but listened to one of her sermons and was drawn in. I had to read her book. She is actually a very unlikely pastor but one with a love for broken people. How can one deny that? This is an encouragement to read and and lets discuss. My hubby sticks these things in my way and I have to check them out. I just listed to another sermon today that stretched me again but that is for a different thread! CBS Tattoos, in and of themselves, aren't "off putting" to me.
I just wonder how those that have them will look as they age & can't be taken off. Even piercings can be taken out & probably heal over without much of a scar, hair coloring will grow out, but when I look at my wrinkled skin, I think, "Geeze, what if I had tattoos all wrinkled up? Yuck! "
However, as far as a tattooed person themselves, I don't disregard what they have to say on the basis of their "tats" .
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Post by What Hat on Sept 22, 2013 18:02:24 GMT -5
So let's talk about the author since that is the first roadblock for us. I mean this as a critical thinking exercise and not criticism. Tattoo's are a passing phase with the younger generation. I think when they are older and the tattoo's are fading and ugly will be the end of the phase. Right now it's one of the ways they communicate their beliefs and emotions. Tattoo's like piercings, makeup, hair dye or any other means of defacing the body are expressions. Some are mild and some are in-you-face.Here's some questions I came up with... feel free to add. What if she had tattoo's but you couldn't see any of them? Would she have different standards? Are tattoo's a sin? Does a tattoo (lol, or many in her case) mean she has nothing of value to contribute? I have to admit to being mildly off-put also but listened to one of her sermons and was drawn in. I had to read her book. She is actually a very unlikely pastor but one with a love for broken people. How can one deny that? This is an encouragement to read and and lets discuss. My hubby sticks these things in my way and I have to check them out. I just listed to another sermon today that stretched me again but that is for a different thread! CBS Tattoos, in and of themselves, aren't "off putting" to me.
I just wonder how those that have them will look as they age & can't be taken off. Even piercings can be taken out & probably heal over without much of a scar, hair coloring will grow out, but when I look at my wrinkled skin, I think, "Geeze, what if I had tattoos all wrinkled up? Yuck! "
However, as far as a tattooed person themselves, I don't disregard what they have to say on the basis of their "tats" .
Recently Mrs. What and I were at a wedding, and at the reception somehow ended up at a table with nursing home nurses. The subject turned to tattoos on some of the elderly patients. It was uh, interesting. People have tattoos in the strangest places, and no, on an 80 or 90 year old, they don't look all that good. Or so I am told.
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Post by Mary on Sept 22, 2013 20:19:56 GMT -5
The author might be 80 or 90 one day. Wonder how she will look with tattoos then?
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Post by What Hat on Sept 22, 2013 21:45:21 GMT -5
The author might be 80 or 90 one day. Wonder how she will look with tattoos then? Maybe at that point she will be the Archbishop of Canterbury.
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Post by Mary on Sept 22, 2013 22:03:06 GMT -5
No she is Lutheran from what I read.
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Post by What Hat on Sept 22, 2013 22:13:58 GMT -5
No she is Lutheran from what I read. Do you think her chances would be better if she was Episcopalian?
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Post by Gene on Sept 23, 2013 17:53:27 GMT -5
The author might be 80 or 90 one day. Wonder how she will look with tattoos then? A Dali masterwork?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 18:03:23 GMT -5
The author might be 80 or 90 one day. Wonder how she will look with tattoos then? A Dali masterwork? I'm thinking 'Persistence of Memory' Pt 2.
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Post by Gene on Sept 23, 2013 18:06:38 GMT -5
I'm thinking 'Persistence of Memory' Pt 2. I'm thinking 'Persistence of Ink and Newton's Apple'
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Post by shipwreckedsailor on Sept 23, 2013 18:09:40 GMT -5
Many years ago a friend of mine had a flowering wisteria vine and delicate hummingbird tattooed on her amply endowed bosom...I've always wondered what that little hummer now looks like!
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Post by Gene on Sept 23, 2013 18:21:00 GMT -5
Many years ago a friend of mine had a flowering wisteria vine and delicate hummingbird tattooed on her amply endowed bosom...I've always wondered what that little hummer now looks like!
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Post by snow on Sept 23, 2013 18:21:29 GMT -5
Many years ago a friend of mine had a flowering wisteria vine and delicate hummingbird tattooed on her amply endowed bosom...I've always wondered what that little hummer now looks like! Haha, now that's a graphic I'd rather not contemplate!!
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