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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 14, 2021 4:39:53 GMT -5
Obviously the question was too hard. There is a big difference in thinking between Philosophy and Religion. Don't think Plato would be too concerned what the Children of Israel were about. He was a Philosopher, not a Priest. Philosophy is the most critical and comprehensive thought process developed by Human beings. It is quite different from Religion in that where Philosophy is both critical and comprehensive, Religion is comprehensive but not necessarily critical. Philosophy , on the other hand, is a critic of belief and belief systems. Plato didn't speak Hebrew, and the Old Testament had not yet been translated into Greek. Additionally, while the Greeks had contact with the Persians and Egyptians and their ideas, the Israelites weren't known as an intellectual or military powerhouse at the time, so I doubt that the Greeks paid them and their religion very much attention. Thanks, Redback. I was thinking the same that, even if Plato was aware of the Israelites, -I rather doubt he paid them much attention. Also, for the definition of Philosophy. My daughter's degree is in Philosophy and we have hour long discussions at times!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 14, 2021 12:38:26 GMT -5
I'm picking that when Plato wrote "The Republic" he had never heard of the Jewish god. probably you are right, but in athens they did have an altar to the "unknown god" so they may have had an inkling about him. and they did after all conquer all of the region including jerusalem and such at one point. Do you have any information on when that statue was built and when they conquered Palestine? The Greeks were polythiests.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 12:43:52 GMT -5
Yes really, answer please. those particular people to eh SE across the water had the keys to salvation where as plato was more concerned about worldy things is why...my oh my how much information have you lost since you left....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 12:52:31 GMT -5
probably you are right, but in athens they did have an altar to the "unknown god" so they may have had an inkling about him. and they did after all conquer all of the region including jerusalem and such at one point. Do you have any information on when that statue was built and when they conquered Palestine? The Greeks were polythiests. don't know the exact date but it existed at the time of Paul so at least as far back as 50-60AD it probably goes back further though(no proof)as they conquered many peoples and would have been exposed to many gods. interesting enough they found the exact thing in about 1820 but appear to have not dated it yet.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 14, 2021 13:04:11 GMT -5
Yes really, answer please. those particular people to eh SE across the water had the keys to salvation where as plato was more concerned about worldy things is why...my oh my how much information have you lost since you left.... Your answer shows how much you trust the book of talking animals and the hyperbole within. This has lead to both your ignorance and your arrogance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 13:08:03 GMT -5
Obviously the question was too hard. There is a big difference in thinking between Philosophy and Religion. Don't think Plato would be too concerned what the Children of Israel were about. He was a Philosopher, not a Priest. Philosophy is the most critical and comprehensive thought process developed by Human beings. It is quite different from Religion in that where Philosophy is both critical and comprehensive, Religion is comprehensive but not necessarily critical. Philosophy , on the other hand, is a critic of belief and belief systems. Plato didn't speak Hebrew, and the Old Testament had not yet been translated into Greek. Additionally, while the Greeks had contact with the Persians and Egyptians and their ideas, the Israelites weren't known as an intellectual or military powerhouse at the time, so I doubt that the Greeks paid them and their religion very much attention. you've rarely if ever stumped me there redback. although i am here quite a bit i don't hover over your posts waiting for replies to answer. anywho although known as atheistic plato was probably not quite that. this site: www.quora.com/What-are-Platos-views-on-religion links to a book called "the religion of plato"...might want to give it a gander when you have the money and time...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 13:09:52 GMT -5
those particular people to eh SE across the water had the keys to salvation where as plato was more concerned about worldy things is why...my oh my how much information have you lost since you left.... Your answer shows how much you trust the book of talking animals and the hyperbole within. This has lead to both your ignorance and your arrogance. there you go projecting again...it must be a hobby for you....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 14:30:18 GMT -5
Yes really, answer please. those particular people to eh SE across the water had the keys to salvation where as plato was more concerned about worldy things is why...my oh my how much information have you lost since you left.... Not surprised at your answer Wally, pretty much what you would expect. A lot of your comments are just a hypothesis without any substance. This one was typical, "i'm bet'n right now he's wishing he had paid more attention to those peculiar people to the SE of greece across the water." Straight from your brainwashed mind. Some of us prefer to deal with facts. By the way you also got it wrong again, I have not lost information since I left, it has been a much greater learning experience. Really, a bright person like you should stop making rash statements that display bias and ignorance. Be careful not to be guilty of projecting.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 14, 2021 14:33:56 GMT -5
My mom was a great family planner . My youngest daughter came and dropped off a card . I was given the card after nurse checked it out . It said Happy Birthday , my beautiful daughter .Mom wrote my name by she got help with the rest . . I am older and feel just like I was hit by a bus . We will survive ! Tomorrow will be tough as it would have been mom’s 87 birthday ! So I am somewhere I need to be ! Thank you Alberta Health Services A time that heal ! Safety for our trauma of mental health due to our losses . 3 family members gone around 6 months . Redback you are helping this new journey with your writing !
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 14, 2021 15:52:32 GMT -5
those particular people to eh SE across the water had the keys to salvation where as plato was more concerned about worldy things is why...my oh my how much information have you lost since you left.... Not surprised at your answer Wally, pretty much what you would expect. A lot of your comments are just a hypothesis without any substance. This one was typical, "i'm bet'n right now he's wishing he had paid more attention to those peculiar people to the SE of greece across the water." Straight from your brainwashed mind. Some of us prefer to deal with facts. By the way you also got it wrong again, I have not lost information since I left, it has been a much greater learning experience. Really, a bright person like you should stop making rash statements that display bias and ignorance. Be careful not to be guilty of projecting. Thank you, thank you, Redback!
I get so tired of wally's comments like that last one.
When I doubt that wally has ever even read any of Plato's works, -yet he seems to think that he is an expert on the subject.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 14, 2021 16:05:59 GMT -5
Obviously the question was too hard. There is a big difference in thinking between Philosophy and Religion. Don't think Plato would be too concerned what the Children of Israel were about. He was a Philosopher, not a Priest. Philosophy is the most critical and comprehensive thought process developed by Human beings. It is quite different from Religion in that where Philosophy is both critical and comprehensive, Religion is comprehensive but not necessarily critical. Philosophy , on the other hand, is a critic of belief and belief systems. Plato didn't speak Hebrew, and the Old Testament had not yet been translated into Greek. Additionally, while the Greeks had contact with the Persians and Egyptians and their ideas, the Israelites weren't known as an intellectual or military powerhouse at the time, so I doubt that the Greeks paid them and their religion very much attention. you've rarely if ever stumped me there redback. although i am here quite a bit i don't hover over your posts waiting for replies to answer. anywho although known as atheistic plato was probably not quite that. this site: www.quora.com/What-are-Platos-views-on-religion links to a book called "the religion of plato"...might want to give it a gander when you have the money and time... Wally, Having doubted that you have ever even read one word of what Plato actually said, -I would be glad to send you my copy of several of his works IF I thought that you would give it the respect it deserves.
However, -since it would be unlikely that you could do that, I refrain from such an offer.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 14, 2021 16:06:11 GMT -5
Fav saying from my dad . Baffle them with your bullsh- Then dazzle them with your diamonds ! I think that is what dad said !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 16:18:05 GMT -5
those particular people to eh SE across the water had the keys to salvation where as plato was more concerned about worldy things is why...my oh my how much information have you lost since you left.... Not surprised at your answer Wally, pretty much what you would expect. A lot of your comments are just a hypothesis without any substance. This one was typical, "i'm bet'n right now he's wishing he had paid more attention to those peculiar people to the SE of greece across the water." Straight from your brainwashed mind. Some of us prefer to deal with facts. By the way you also got it wrong again, I have not lost information since I left, it has been a much greater learning experience. Really, a bright person like you should stop making rash statements that display bias and ignorance. Be careful not to be guilty of projecting. you had to ask why he should have paid attention to the jews...that's a major loss of info right there among other things you post. they say you lose your spiritual vision when you leave God you among a few others here would be a typical case for it. it won't turn out like you think it will in the end. good luck you'll need it...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 16:35:13 GMT -5
you've rarely if ever stumped me there redback. although i am here quite a bit i don't hover over your posts waiting for replies to answer. anywho although known as atheistic plato was probably not quite that. this site: www.quora.com/What-are-Platos-views-on-religion links to a book called "the religion of plato"...might want to give it a gander when you have the money and time... Wally, Having doubted that you have ever even read one word of what Plato actually said, -I would be glad to send you my copy of several of his works IF I thought that you would give it the respect it deserves.
However, -since it would be unlikely that you could do that, I refrain from such an offer.no thanks, i have a rendition of plato's republic in my personal library somewhere from the 90's got about 1/4 of the way through it and put it away it was too boring at the time. so a swing and a miss on your evaluation of what i have or have not read...good try though...
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 14, 2021 16:42:08 GMT -5
Wally, Having doubted that you have ever even read one word of what Plato actually said, -I would be glad to send you my copy of several of his works IF I thought that you would give it the respect it deserves.
However, -since it would be unlikely that you could do that, I refrain from such an offer. no thanks, i have a rendition of plato's republic in my personal library somewhere from the 90's got about 1/4 of the way through it and put it away it was too boring at the time. so a swing and a miss on your evaluation of what i have or have not read...good try though... Ah, so you admit you only read about 1/4 of the Republic?
Bored?
You mean it was going right over your head and you were unable to grasp what he meant?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 14, 2021 16:50:22 GMT -5
no thanks, i have a rendition of plato's republic in my personal library somewhere from the 90's got about 1/4 of the way through it and put it away it was too boring at the time. so a swing and a miss on your evaluation of what i have or have not read...good try though... Ah, so you admit you only read about 1/4 of the Republic?
Bored?
You mean it was going right over your head and you were unable to grasp what he meant? It does not have any talking animals or sun standing still so would be boring to those that have been brainwashed by the bible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 16:51:01 GMT -5
no thanks, i have a rendition of plato's republic in my personal library somewhere from the 90's got about 1/4 of the way through it and put it away it was too boring at the time. so a swing and a miss on your evaluation of what i have or have not read...good try though... Ah, so you admit you only read about 1/4 of the Republic?
Bored?
You mean it was going right over your head and you were unable to grasp what he meant? and? your point was i have never read even one word of any of plato's works. that would be wrong. too bad so sad.... bored, its not a page turner. if you've actually read it you would know what i am talking about...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 16:54:03 GMT -5
Ah, so you admit you only read about 1/4 of the Republic?
Bored?
You mean it was going right over your head and you were unable to grasp what he meant? It does not have any talking animals or sun standing still so would be boring to those that have been brainwashed by the bible. that would be talking reptiles AND animals if we are trying to be the least bit accurate....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 14, 2021 16:58:05 GMT -5
It does not have any talking animals or sun standing still so would be boring to those that have been brainwashed by the bible. that would be talking reptiles AND animals if we are trying to be the least bit accurate.... So you believe in talking reptiles as well?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 17:27:27 GMT -5
that would be talking reptiles AND animals if we are trying to be the least bit accurate.... So you believe in talking reptiles as well? i believe satan talked THROUGH a reptile AND God THROUGH a donkey/ass. whether that means their gums were flapping is anyones guess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 18:21:51 GMT -5
No it was probably through their backside.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 14, 2021 18:32:38 GMT -5
Ah, so you admit you only read about 1/4 of the Republic?
Bored?
You mean it was going right over your head and you were unable to grasp what he meant? and? your point was i have never read even one word of any of plato's works. that would be wrong. too bad so sad.... bored, its not a page turner. if you've actually read it you would know what i am talking about... So? You read a little more than a word?
Ok, Ok, you read around a 1/4! I'll give you that.
But boring? I did read it and it wasn't meant to be a "page turner."
It is a "mind turner!" It makes you think!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 18:54:25 GMT -5
and? your point was i have never read even one word of any of plato's works. that would be wrong. too bad so sad.... bored, its not a page turner. if you've actually read it you would know what i am talking about... So? You read a little more than a word?
Ok, Ok, you read around a 1/4! I'll give you that.
But boring? I did read it and it wasn't meant to be a "page turner."
It is a "mind turner!" It makes you think!shouldn't things that stimulate the mind make you want more? I.E be a "page turner"?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 14, 2021 19:15:39 GMT -5
So? You read a little more than a word?
Ok, Ok, you read around a 1/4! I'll give you that.
But boring? I did read it and it wasn't meant to be a "page turner."
It is a "mind turner!" It makes you think! shouldn't things that stimulate the mind make you want more? I.E be a "page turner"? They do if you are the kind of person who is seeking information rather than just validation of what you think you already know want to believe!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 19:42:21 GMT -5
shouldn't things that stimulate the mind make you want more? I.E be a "page turner"? They do if you are the kind of person who is seeking information rather than just validation of what you think you already know want to believe! if its stimulating the mind would that be validation or new knowledge?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 14, 2021 20:11:10 GMT -5
They do if you are the kind of person who is seeking information rather than just validation of what you think you already know want to believe! if its stimulating the mind would that be validation or new knowledge? umm, maybe, -IF you are willing to accept the new knowledge in spite of it being counter to what you want to believe?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 15, 2021 12:27:59 GMT -5
You cannot buy a stairway to heaven . Happy birthday amazing mom ! We are keeping on without you Because we know that is what you want
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 21:57:19 GMT -5
you have 6,200 thoughts per day one every 14 seconds whether that is a full 14 second thought or not it didn't say one ASSumes. a man has a dirty thought every 40 seconds. with using common core math about 1/4 of a mans time is spent in dirty thoughts or 1,550 dirty thoughts per day which ASSuming the 14 second minimum means a guy spends about 6 hours a day thinking dirty thoughts....women depending spend about half as much time thinking the same things so women spend about 3 hours per day thinking dirty thoughts...results may vary of course...
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