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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2021 18:48:32 GMT -5
yep the fall is going on at a good clip. however church membership/attendance does not account for all believers. anywho all it means is Christ was right and most likely coming back soon... Humans have been around a very long time, long before any of the Abrahamic religions who continually say "Jesus is coming back SOON". The bible does not tell the true story of humanity and religion, based on the evidence. There is evidence of prehistoric religions going back to 70,000 BCE In your neck of the woods there are the Paisley Caves in south-central Oregon where the DNA is dated to 14,300 years. That's long before when the bible says the earth was created. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 19:18:25 GMT -5
yep the fall is going on at a good clip. however church membership/attendance does not account for all believers. anywho all it means is Christ was right and most likely coming back soon... Humans have been around a very long time, long before any of the Abrahamic religions who continually say "Jesus is coming back SOON". The bible does not tell the true story of humanity and religion, based on the evidence. There is evidence of prehistoric religions going back to 70,000 BCE In your neck of the woods there are the Paisley Caves in south-central Oregon where the DNA is dated to 14,300 years. That's long before when the bible says the earth was created. we all know what i think of dating systems other than the bible right? |
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2021 19:46:22 GMT -5
Humans have been around a very long time, long before any of the Abrahamic religions who continually say "Jesus is coming back SOON". The bible does not tell the true story of humanity and religion, based on the evidence. There is evidence of prehistoric religions going back to 70,000 BCE In your neck of the woods there are the Paisley Caves in south-central Oregon where the DNA is dated to 14,300 years. That's long before when the bible says the earth was created. There are several different methods of dating. But setting aside all those other methods, I don't understand how you can dismiss counting tree rings; Dendrochronology (or tree-ring dating). "As of 2020, securely dated tree-ring data for the northern hemisphere are available going back 12,310 years". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 20:00:45 GMT -5
we all know what i think of dating systems other than the bible right? There are several different methods of dating. But setting aside all those other methods, I don't understand how you can dismiss counting tree rings; Dendrochronology (or tree-ring dating). "As of 2020, securely dated tree-ring data for the northern hemisphere are available going back 12,310 years". that would fit within my 6,000-13,000 young earth belief...6,000 years being the TOPS for humans... dating by tree rings can be confusing to say the least and the rings are not always used to date a tree: ltrr.arizona.edu/about/treerings |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 29, 2021 20:02:52 GMT -5
yep the fall is going on at a good clip. however church membership/attendance does not account for all believers. anywho all it means is Christ was right and most likely coming back soon... i'm reminded of this verse: Luk_18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? and this verse: 2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; and this verse: Rev_13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Religion has to be full of such positions in order to keep people believing in them.
I think about the multiple ways that this particular one works: "for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first"
It makes a person feel that they one of just a few of an elite group of people.
It helps a person be able to endure the arrows you imagine are being slung at them simply because of their belief.
It helps a person to endure physical or mentally pain.
Neither do they need to think about any of the terrible things happening to other people.
Nor do they need to exert themselves to try change anything because after all isn't God's plan and they shouldn't interfere should they?  |
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2021 20:31:07 GMT -5
There are several different methods of dating. But setting aside all those other methods, I don't understand how you can dismiss counting tree rings; Dendrochronology (or tree-ring dating). "As of 2020, securely dated tree-ring data for the northern hemisphere are available going back 12,310 years". that would fit within my 6,000-13,000 young earth belief...6,000 years being the TOPS for humans... dating by tree rings can be confusing to say the least and the rings are not always used to date a tree: ltrr.arizona.edu/about/treeringsIce core samples get you back 800,000 years. “The oldest continuous ice core records extend to 130,000 years in Greenland, and 800,000 years in Antarctica” Rocks date back to 4 billion years. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 20:33:26 GMT -5
that would fit within my 6,000-13,000 young earth belief...6,000 years being the TOPS for humans... dating by tree rings can be confusing to say the least and the rings are not always used to date a tree: ltrr.arizona.edu/about/treeringsIce core samples get you back 800,000 years. “The oldest continuous ice core records extend to 130,000 years in Greenland, and 800,000 years in Antarctica” Rocks date back to 4 billion years. and we're back to: we all know what i think of dating systems other than the bible right? |
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2021 20:39:51 GMT -5
Ice core samples get you back 800,000 years. “The oldest continuous ice core records extend to 130,000 years in Greenland, and 800,000 years in Antarctica” Rocks date back to 4 billion years. and we're back to: we all know what i think of dating systems other than the bible right? Why read any other book, if all answers are in that one book? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 20:47:11 GMT -5
and we're back to: we all know what i think of dating systems other than the bible right? Why read any other book, if all answers are in that one book? it can answer quite a bit if you look hard enough but no one is saying it has every answer to every question on the planet. I.E i don't remember reading anything about toaster ovens or cell phones or how to build them or fix them or even use them in the bible. |
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2021 20:57:31 GMT -5
Why read any other book, if all answers are in that one book? it can answer quite a bit if you look hard enough but no one is saying it has every answer to every question on the planet. I.E i don't remember reading anything about toaster ovens or cell phones or how to build them or fix them or even use them in the bible. I wonder why the Bible doesn’t mention any of the really big changes; the Industrial Revolution, the Information Age, the Space Age, etc. it’s stopped with the Bronze Age. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 21:01:31 GMT -5
it can answer quite a bit if you look hard enough but no one is saying it has every answer to every question on the planet. I.E i don't remember reading anything about toaster ovens or cell phones or how to build them or fix them or even use them in the bible. I wonder why the Bible doesn’t mention any of the really big changes; the Industrial Revolution, the Information Age, the Space Age, etc. it’s stopped with the Bronze Age. Dan_12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. <<< probably the information age Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. <<< possible nuclear age Rev_13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. <<<probably TV's, Iphones and Internet and/or satellites(space age) Rev_14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, <<<probably information age and/or modern medical age(the chip/tracking) Rev_6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. <<possible germ warfare |
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2021 21:09:42 GMT -5
I wonder why the Bible doesn’t mention any of the really big changes; the Industrial Revolution, the Information Age, the Space Age, etc. it’s stopped with the Bronze Age. Dan_12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. <<< probably the information age It would have been nice if they included some good recipes for say; beer, wine, bread or even how to make bronze. |
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2021 21:09:43 GMT -5
I wonder why the Bible doesn’t mention any of the really big changes; the Industrial Revolution, the Information Age, the Space Age, etc. it’s stopped with the Bronze Age. Dan_12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. <<< probably the information age It would have been nice if they included some good recipes for say; beer, wine, bread or even how to make bronze. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 21:14:14 GMT -5
Dan_12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. <<< probably the information age It would have been nice if they included some good recipes for say; beer, wine, bread or even how to make bronze. as an after thought i added more to my previous post...you might find it interesting information while you drink your beer.... |
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Post by xna on Mar 29, 2021 21:31:47 GMT -5
It would have been nice if they included some good recipes for say; beer, wine, bread or even how to make bronze. as an after thought i added more to my previous post...you might find it interesting information while you drink your beer.... Human imagination is a beautiful thing. Some good things have come from religious visions. I was just reading this ... folks.pillpack.com/brain-injury-helped-end-slavery/“The head injury even became a propellant fueling her faith. Tubman’s mother told her Bible stories in her youth, and Tubman remained a devout Christian. After the incident, she began reporting vivid dreams and powerful “visions” that she believed were revelations and premonitions from God, urging her to follow his teachings and do his will by freeing the enslaved.” |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 29, 2021 21:37:28 GMT -5
Speaking of the bronze age caused me check out where bronze might have been used else where.
Found many places other than just the Levant, -the area of the people of the bible.
Indus Valley civilization was only one.
The Bronze Age on the Indian subcontinent began around 3300 BC.
The problem with putting all you apples in one basket called the bible means you have to keep chewing on the same old apples over & over again!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 21:49:20 GMT -5
as an after thought i added more to my previous post...you might find it interesting information while you drink your beer.... Human imagination is a beautiful thing. Some good things have come from religious visions. I was just reading this ... folks.pillpack.com/brain-injury-helped-end-slavery/“The head injury even became a propellant fueling her faith. Tubman’s mother told her Bible stories in her youth, and Tubman remained a devout Christian. After the incident, she began reporting vivid dreams and powerful “visions” that she believed were revelations and premonitions from God, urging her to follow his teachings and do his will by freeing the enslaved.” God can make good of a bad situation.... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 21:57:56 GMT -5
The problem with putting all you apples in one basket called the bible means you have to keep chewing on the same old apples over & over again! i never tire at reading the bible although begat chapters are a bit hard to get through... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 22:09:35 GMT -5
Speaking of the bronze age caused me check out where bronze might have been used else where.
Found many places other than just the Levant, -the area of the people of the bible.
Indus Valley civilization was only one.
The Bronze Age on the Indian subcontinent began around 3300 BC.
The problem with putting all you apples in one basket called the bible means you have to keep chewing on the same old apples over & over again! Aboriginal people have been in Australia for at least 60,000 years (Torres Strait Islanders at least 2500 years). No mention of them in the Bible. They were not religious but very spiritual, respected their connection to the land. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 29, 2021 22:09:51 GMT -5
Dan_12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
To "shut up the words, and seal the book," - sure is a road to stagnation & getting nowhere!
God forbid that the any "knowledge should be increased!"
People might find out after all that The Wonderful Wizard of Oz didn't exist after all.
Reminds me of the workers telling us when we were young that we didn't need any more schooling than absolutely necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 22:47:49 GMT -5
Speaking of the bronze age caused me check out where bronze might have been used else where.
Found many places other than just the Levant, -the area of the people of the bible.
Indus Valley civilization was only one.
The Bronze Age on the Indian subcontinent began around 3300 BC.
The problem with putting all you apples in one basket called the bible means you have to keep chewing on the same old apples over & over again! Aboriginal people have been in Australia for at least 60,000 years (Torres Strait Islanders at least 2500 years). No mention of them in the Bible. They were not religious but very spiritual, respected their connection to the land. ask and you shall receive... in Isa. 49:12 it talks about the land of sinim. sinim is considered "land of the south". quite a few websites(look it up) consider sinim to be australia. there are other candidates as well but i believe this might be relevant. so there ya go... as to 60k years that might be bunk.... askjohnmackay.com/australian-aborigines-if-aborigines-have-been-in-australia-for-40000-years-how-could-the-bible-be-true/ <<< creationist, degree in geology Queensland Uni., from australia of all places aye? and as i have said before people of the ancient world including hewbrew/jew/israelites probalby knew more of the world than we modern people think they did... |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 29, 2021 23:56:07 GMT -5
Aboriginal people have been in Australia for at least 60,000 years (Torres Strait Islanders at least 2500 years). No mention of them in the Bible. They were not religious but very spiritual, respected their connection to the land. ask and you shall receive... in Isa. 49:12 it talks about the land of sinim. sinim is considered "land of the south". quite a few websites(look it up) consider sinim to be australia. there are other candidates as well but i believe this might be relevant. so there ya go... as to 60k years that might be bunk.... https://askjohnmackay.com/australian-aborigines-if-aborigines-have-been-in-australia-for-40000-years-how-could-the-bible-be-true/ <<< creationist, degree in geology Queensland Uni., from australia of all places aye? and as i have said before people of the ancient world including hewbrew/jew/israelites probalby knew more of the world than we modern people think they did...
What the hell do think that he is going to tell you? 
You can find sites all over that claim the same thing about the people in other countries!
Some have tried to make the same kind of claim about Great Britain.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudo archaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.
The central tenets of British Israelism have been refuted by evidence from modern archaeological, ethnological, genetic, and linguistic research.
When the Mormons first emerged in 1830s America they also believed that American tribes are descended from the Hebrews or the ten lost tribes.
Such notions of ancestry have been widespread among Christians!
Christians seem to be unable to let any other country have it's own history without butting in & trying to insert it's own nose into it's that countries past! 
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 30, 2021 0:13:57 GMT -5
ask and you shall receive... in Isa. 49:12 it talks about the land of sinim. sinim is considered "land of the south". quite a few websites(look it up) consider sinim to be australia. there are other candidates as well but i believe this might be relevant. so there ya go... as to 60k years that might be bunk.... https://askjohnmackay.com/australian-aborigines-if-aborigines-have-been-in-australia-for-40000-years-how-could-the-bible-be-true/ <<< creationist, degree in geology Queensland Uni., from australia of all places aye? and as i have said before people of the ancient world including hewbrew/jew/israelites probalby knew more of the world than we modern people think they did...
What the hell do think that he is going to tell you?
You can find sites all over that claim the same thing about the people in other countries!
Some have tried to make the same kind of claim about Great Britain.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudo archaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.
The central tenets of British Israelism have been refuted by evidence from modern archaeological, ethnological, genetic, and linguistic research.
When the Mormons first emerged in 1830s America they also believed that American tribes are descended from the Hebrews or the ten lost tribes.
Such notions of ancestry have been widespread among Christians!
Christians seem to be unable to let any other country have it's own history without butting in & trying to insert it's own nose into it's that countries past!
Christians have also been desperate to show that the British Royal family are descended from Jesus Christ. It is all about trying to add an aura of respectability to what is essentially a cult. A pagan cult. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 0:18:14 GMT -5
ask and you shall receive... in Isa. 49:12 it talks about the land of sinim. sinim is considered "land of the south". quite a few websites(look it up) consider sinim to be australia. there are other candidates as well but i believe this might be relevant. so there ya go... as to 60k years that might be bunk.... https://askjohnmackay.com/australian-aborigines-if-aborigines-have-been-in-australia-for-40000-years-how-could-the-bible-be-true/ <<< creationist, degree in geology Queensland Uni., from australia of all places aye? and as i have said before people of the ancient world including hewbrew/jew/israelites probalby knew more of the world than we modern people think they did...
What the hell do think that he is going to tell you?
You can find sites all over that claim the same thing about the people in other countries!
Some have tried to make the same kind of claim about Great Britain.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudo archaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.
The central tenets of British Israelism have been refuted by evidence from modern archaeological, ethnological, genetic, and linguistic research.
When the Mormons first emerged in 1830s America they also believed that American tribes are descended from the Hebrews or the ten lost tribes.
Such notions of ancestry have been widespread among Christians!
Christians seem to be unable to let any other country have it's own history without butting in & trying to insert it's own nose into it's that countries past!
as far as i know he's not tied to british israelism in anyway and to imply that he is is dishonest... facts are facts... he's no more biased than any other person who has studied culture or history or science or the bible... good try though strawman |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2021 0:54:47 GMT -5
John Mackay is an Australian Young Earth Creationist!
What the hell do think that he is going to tell you?
You can find sites all over that claim the same thing about the people in other countries!
Some have tried to make the same kind of claim about Great Britain.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudo archaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.
The central tenets of British Israelism have been refuted by evidence from modern archaeological, ethnological, genetic, and linguistic research.
When the Mormons first emerged in 1830s America they also believed that American tribes are descended from the Hebrews or the ten lost tribes.
Such notions of ancestry have been widespread among Christians!
Christians seem to be unable to let any other country have it's own history without butting in & trying to insert it's own nose into it's that countries past!
as far as i know he's not tied to british israelism in anyway and to imply that he is is dishonest... facts are facts... he's no more biased than any other person who has studied culture or history or science or the bible... good try though strawman
I didn't claim that your "John Mackay" was or was not tied to "British Israelism!"
I was showing the big picture of just how that whole idea keeps popping up and why it does!
If Christians are so sure of their faith, -why do they have to keep creating outlandish stories and sticking them into other peoples cultures in order to try to shore up their own belief?
As for John Mackay, -I don't care what he has studied, -I don't trust him anymore than I do any other "Young Earth Creationist!"
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Sorry, I nearly forgot, wally, "-nice try though!"
PPS: Wally, you wouldn't know a "strawman" fallacy if it came up & punched you in the nose. 
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 1:15:23 GMT -5
as far as i know he's not tied to british israelism in anyway and to imply that he is is dishonest... facts are facts... he's no more biased than any other person who has studied culture or history or science or the bible... good try though strawman
I didn't claim that your "John Mackay" was or was not tied to "British Israelism!"
I was showing the big picture of just how that whole idea keeps popping up and why it does!
If Christians are so sure of their faith, -why do they have to keep creating outlandish stories and sticking them into other peoples cultures in order to try to shore up their own belief?
As for John Mackay, -I don't care what he has studied, -I don't trust him anymore than I do any other "Young Earth Creationist!"
oops!
Sorry, I nearly forgot, wally, "-nice try though!"
PPS: Wally, you wouldn't know a "strawman" fallacy if it came up & punched you in the nose.
Now, I have to go to sleep I'll see you tomorrow if you were not implying a connection why post something so irrelevant(british israelism)to the conversation? our sure faith requires us to be ready to answer any question at anytime even if its not a direct gospel question. that has little to do with any weakness of faith you may be imagining in that head of yours.... then you understand that a lot of Christians likewise don't trust a lot of scientists as far as we can spit....(a lot doesn't mean all for those of you from rio linda)... a strawman is exactly what you did...fess up its the right thing to do... good try though |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2021 2:43:32 GMT -5
if you were not implying a connection why post something so irrelevant(british israelism)to the conversation? our sure faith requires us to be ready to answer any question at anytime even if its not a direct gospel question. that has little to do with any weakness of faith you may be imagining in that head of yours.... then you understand that a lot of Christians likewise don't trust a lot of scientists as far as we can spit....(a lot doesn't mean all for those of you from rio linda)... a strawman is exactly what you did...fess up its the right thing to do... good try though
Those two ideas are relevant to one another, -as also is Mormons believe that the tribes in America were one of the "lost tribes of Israel"
The "relevance," -the common denominator, the connection -between all of them is Christians seemingly having to believe that every thing and every one is directly related to their heritage in one small area of the world.
They are connected to each other to your post, Wally.
I did not create the beliefs .
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