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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 17:13:12 GMT -5
There have been many threads on this board in recent years dealing with Child Sexual Abuse and related matters occurring within the F&W's sect. I have created this thread for others to post instances within their knowledge which indicate Child Physical Abuse (non-sexual) has occurred within the sect, particularly within the lay fellowship (friends). This may relate to personal experiences within your own upbringing or matters connected with members of the sect that you are aware of. Instances of neglect or emotional abuse may also be included, but my main concern at this juncture is CPA.
I am not looking for in depth accounts, but merely a few brief details of the type of physical abuse, injuries and effects that you or others within your knowledge suffered. A time period, i.e, duration of abuse and decade(s) during which it occurred would be helpful. Many thanks in advance.
I know there have been a number of references on websites and in the books relating to the F&W's, but I am attempting to short-circuit a large amount of research. Any reference to any of these would be very welcome.
"Excessive" corporal punishment or chastisement fall within my remit as many instances of CPA, even very serious cases, likely fall within this category.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 0:51:38 GMT -5
Ram, you want child abuse? Let's see. 47% of Aussie kids come from single parent families, and their homeless rate doubled in three years. Teenage binge drinking doubled in six years, and one quarter of girls reported sexual abuse in any given year, with a 2000% increase in Qld within the past ten years alone. There has been a 71% increase in sexual violence against children in 9 years, A quarter of kids under 14 have had sex, and there's a 30% increase in sexual activity in year 12 girls in ten years. A quarter of men doing DNA tests have discovered their kid aren't theirs at all. And why? Declining parental standards, plus the influence of our culture. There has been a 40% rise in wives admitting to cheating on their husbands on 20 years, and this is what kids are picking up? Now half of all parents no longer monitor what their kids watch on TV - probably because they are busy screwing around. Or maybe the parents are on drugs? Drug addled babies have increased three fold in ten years and about ten percent of kids have tried cocaine in the past year.
And one day we will all look back on 2013 as being a time of innocence. So please, spare us this 2x2 "cult" "child abuse."
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 30, 2013 1:10:24 GMT -5
How about the little girls who have to go to school in -30 degree weather "in skirts" -- because the workers are staying at the house?
We took our 3-year old girl to convention wearing pants because the temperature was 6oC (42oF) and she was the only little girl there who wasn't bare legged.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 1:20:25 GMT -5
Yep, there ya' go --- 2x2 child abuse. This sounds like moral relativism at its worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 2:46:30 GMT -5
Ram, you want child abuse? Let's see. 47% of Aussie kids come from single parent families, and their homeless rate doubled in three years. Teenage binge drinking doubled in six years, and one quarter of girls reported sexual abuse in any given year, with a 2000% increase in Qld within the past ten years alone. There has been a 71% increase in sexual violence against children in 9 years, A quarter of kids under 14 have had sex, and there's a 30% increase in sexual activity in year 12 girls in ten years. A quarter of men doing DNA tests have discovered their kid aren't theirs at all. And why? Declining parental standards, plus the influence of our culture. There has been a 40% rise in wives admitting to cheating on their husbands on 20 years, and this is what kids are picking up? Now half of all parents no longer monitor what their kids watch on TV - probably because they are busy screwing around. Or maybe the parents are on drugs? Drug addled babies have increased three fold in ten years and about ten percent of kids have tried cocaine in the past year. And one day we will all look back on 2013 as being a time of innocence. So please, spare us this 2x2 "cult" "child abuse." That's a nice attempt at deflection Bert. It looks like we have come a long way from "these things happen in the world but don't happen in God's way?"And no, I don't want child abuse. That's the whole point of my argument. If we are seeking to eradicate child abuse within the 2x2 sect, let's seek to eradicate all forms of it, not just the form that to our minds seems to be worse than the others. A little bit of reality and proper alignment is required.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 3:09:39 GMT -5
Ram, you want child abuse? Let's see. 47% of Aussie kids come from single parent families, and their homeless rate doubled in three years. Teenage binge drinking doubled in six years, and one quarter of girls reported sexual abuse in any given year, with a 2000% increase in Qld within the past ten years alone. There has been a 71% increase in sexual violence against children in 9 years, A quarter of kids under 14 have had sex, and there's a 30% increase in sexual activity in year 12 girls in ten years. A quarter of men doing DNA tests have discovered their kid aren't theirs at all. And why? Declining parental standards, plus the influence of our culture. There has been a 40% rise in wives admitting to cheating on their husbands on 20 years, and this is what kids are picking up? Now half of all parents no longer monitor what their kids watch on TV - probably because they are busy screwing around. Or maybe the parents are on drugs? Drug addled babies have increased three fold in ten years and about ten percent of kids have tried cocaine in the past year. And one day we will all look back on 2013 as being a time of innocence. So please, spare us this 2x2 "cult" "child abuse." not much difference between your country and ours
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 8:13:16 GMT -5
How about the little girls who have to go to school in -30 degree weather "in skirts" -- because the workers are staying at the house? We took our 3-year old girl to convention wearing pants because the temperature was 6oC (42oF) and she was the only little girl there who wasn't bare legged. I agree that this would fall under a physical or neglect abuse category in areas of cold wintere climate.....which includes many parts of Canada.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 8:48:17 GMT -5
No, this is not "deflection" but desperately needed "CONTEXT"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 9:28:17 GMT -5
No, this is not "deflection" but desperately needed "CONTEXT" Okay Bert, how about "out of CONTEXT to the point made?"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 9:58:33 GMT -5
Really, well the "hell in a handcart" figures I cited suggest we need to seriously look at the culture we have chosen to participate in. And it needs to be an issue on the TMB, if nowhere else. ps I am going to bed. It's 1 am here in Oz.
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Post by snow on Jul 30, 2013 10:37:17 GMT -5
How about the little girls who have to go to school in -30 degree weather "in skirts" -- because the workers are staying at the house? We took our 3-year old girl to convention wearing pants because the temperature was 6oC (42oF) and she was the only little girl there who wasn't bare legged. Been there done that! For sure that happens. Even when the schools demanded that us girls all wore dresses, we were allowed to wear pants under them in the cold weather. So if schools had enough compassion, why couldn't workers, or parents. This is because religions are all about the misinterpretation that God wants us to do something, that God needs us to do something in order for God to be happy and in order for us to not make God mad so he sends us to eternal punishment. It's all just a man made effort to control people and how better than to tell people that an all powerful being has needs and you're toast if you don't comply. Been good for the leaders of religions, not so good for the peons!
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Post by snow on Jul 30, 2013 10:42:59 GMT -5
Really, well the "hell in a handcart" figures I cited suggest we need to seriously look at the culture we have chosen to participate in. And it needs to be an issue on the TMB, if nowhere else. ps I am going to bed. It's 1 am here in Oz. Totally agree we must look at the culture we are participating in. However, the 2x2's are in trouble also. It's doesn't do anyone in the sect any good if you close your eyes to what goes on within your organization too. They live in this world and so are subject to the same problems. You do not live in a bubble. Your people are subject to the same 'culture' and it does impact your group. Awareness is important for change though. If you deny anything can happen within your group because somehow you are more'Godly', then the problems are never going to be addressed because no one will acknowledge they are there. I was a B&R 2x2 only child. My father was a very worker pleasing oriented man. My childhood was not pretty. So don't tell me that abuse cannot happen in the 2x2's or that the 2x2 worker pleasing attitude does not contribute to the abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 10:43:53 GMT -5
Really, well the "hell in a handcart" figures I cited suggest we need to seriously look at the culture we have chosen to participate in. And it needs to be an issue on the TMB, if nowhere else. ps I am going to bed. It's 1 am here in Oz. Just to remind your now tired mind, the context is the Friends and Workers Sect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 10:46:24 GMT -5
I was a B&R 2x2 only child. My father was a very worker pleasing oriented man. My childhood was not pretty. So don't tell me that abuse cannot happen in the 2x2's or that the 2x2 worker pleasing attitude does not contribute to the abuse.
Thanks Snow. With a few words you have made a valuable contribution.
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Post by quizzer on Jul 30, 2013 11:54:11 GMT -5
The 2x2s have a distinct element in their belief system that has manifested itself in various forms of abuse (I can't say it's all been physical abuse of any type). This element is that the 2x2 man is supposed to keep his family "under control." This means, that the professing father is supposed to have his wife and children behaving how the workers believe a family should behave - respectful (reverent?) to the workers, quiet, orderly, sitting still. Anything that will make the family behave this way is worker-approved.
Of course, this "control" thing didn't originate with the 2x2s - WI didn't have too much originality in him. WI got this from working in the mines. He used it to control the original workers, and the friends used in as well when they began to emulate the workers. Great stuff for mines when you're working in dark, potentially dangerous areas. Not so great for people in social settings.
This "under control" aspect also shows itself in the need to "fit in" with the meetings and justifies keeping abuse under wraps - CSA, any physical abuse, spiritual killings.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 30, 2013 13:11:52 GMT -5
Regarding "spanking" children.
It is abuse.
I'm glad to see a decline in spanking.
My husband worked hard in getting "spanking" banned in public schools.
Parents should understand that spanking may work in the short term but is really abuse of a child & detrimental to a child development in the long term.
Here is an article on the subject.
Spanking: Facts and Fiction
Definitions:
Corporal punishment: Synonymous with “physical punishment.” It means the intentional infliction of pain on the body for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior. It includes slapping, spanking, hitting with objects, pinching, shaking, and forcing to stand for long periods of time.
Spanking: Hitting with the flat of the hand usually on the buttocks for punishment or for stopping a behavior.
In the United States, spanking as punishment has shown a long-term decline. In the 1950's, ninety-nine percent of parents supported the use of corporal punishment of children. In recent years that number has fallen. Surveys generally report about fifty percent of parents supporting its use. Studies show that a majority of parents who use corporal punishment feel badly about it and don't think it works to improve behavior.
Parents who support spanking often use one of the following arguments:
Spanking is an effective way to manage behavior. I got hit when I was a kid and I turned out OK. If we don’t spank children, they’ll grow up rotten. The bible says, “Spare the rod and spoil the child”
Look at the facts:
Spanking argument #1 - “Spanking is an effective way to manage behavior”
Hitting a small child will usually stop misbehavior temporarily. However, other ways of discipline such as verbal correction, reasoning, and time-out work as well and do not have the potential for harm that hitting does. Hitting children may actually increase misbehavior. One large study showed that the more parents spanked children for antisocial behavior, the more the antisocial behavior increased (Straus, Sugarman, & Giles-Sims, 1997). The more children are hit, the more likely they are to hit others including peers and siblings and, as adults, they are more likely to hit their spouses (Straus and Gelles, 1990; Wolfe, 1987). Hitting children teaches them that it is acceptable to hit others who are smaller and weaker. “I'm going to hit you because you hit your sister” is a hypocrisy not lost on children.
Spanking argument #2 - “I got hit when I was a kid and I turned out OK”
Being spanked is an emotional event. Adults often remember with crystal clarity times they were paddled or spanked as children. Many adults look back on corporal punishment in childhood with great anger and sadness. Sometimes people say, “I was spanked as a child, and I deserved it”. It is hard for us to believe that people who loved us would intentionally hurt us. We feel the need to excuse that hurt. Studies show that even a few instances of being hit as children are associated with more depressive symptoms as adults (Strauss, 1994, Strassberg, Dodge, Pettit & Bates, 1994). A landmark meta-analysis of 88 corporal punishment research studies of over six decades showed that corporal punishment of children was associated with negative outcomes including increased delinquent and antisocial behavior, increased risk of child abuse and spousal abuse, increased risk of child aggression and adult aggression, decreased child mental health and decreased adult mental health (Gershoff, 2002). While most of us who were spanked “turned out OK”, it is likely that not being spanked would have helped us turn out to be healthier.
Spanking Argument #3 - “If we don't spank children, they'll grow up rotten”
Children in more than twenty countries are growing up without being hit in homes, in daycare or in schools. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Finland and other countries that have banned corporal punishment of children in general have low rates of interpersonal violence compared to the United States. Critics predicted that Swedish youth would grow up more unruly after parents stopped spanking because of the l979 corporal punishment ban. Dr. Joan Durrant who studied effects of the ban for l5 years reported that this did not happen. Her studies indicate youth did not become more unruly, under socialized or self-destructive following the ban. In fact, she said most measures demonstrated a substantial improvement in youth well-being (Durrant, 2000). Professor Adrienne Haeuser who studied these educational laws in Europe in 1981 and 1991 said “Children are receiving more discipline since the law in Sweden passed. Parents think twice and tend to rely more on verbal conflict resolution to manage their children”. Discipline is important. Discipline means “to teach”. We need more discipline of children such as explaining and reasoning, establishing rules and consequences, praising good behavior in children and being good models for or children. Such methods develop a child's conscience and self-control. Children who experience teaching discipline are less likely to misbehave and more likely to become self-disciplined adults.
Spanking Argument #4 - “The bible says 'Spare the rod and spoil the child' and I must obey God”
Spanking is deeply rooted in the history and culture of the United States. The bible is often used to support, even perhaps to require, that parents use corporal punishment on children. Many clergy today are speaking out against that interpretation of scripture. The Reverend Dr. Thomas E. Sagendorf, retired Methodist Minister, says the following “I can find no sanction in the teaching of Jesus or the witness of the New Testament to encourage the practice of corporal punishment at home, school or anywhere else. A number of popular voices take a different view, often quoting Old Testament scriptures to prove their point. Those who subscribe to this argument misunderstand and misuse scripture. A similar method of selective reading could just as well be used to justify slavery, suppression of women, polygamy, incest and infanticide”. At its General Conference in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in April and May, 2004, the United Methodist Church passed two resolutions against corporal punishment in homes, schools and child-care. The United Methodist Church is the second largest Protestant denomination in the United States.
Conclusion
Look at the facts. Accumulated research supports the ineffectiveness and harm of corporal punishment. Children who are spanked most are more likely to be aggressive and hit others. Children hit for antisocial behaviors are more likely to increase those misbehaviors. Hitting children teaches acceptance of violence. While most of us who were spanked as children grow up to be healthy adults, spanking causes anxiety, contributes to feelings of helplessness and humiliation, and often provokes anger and a desire for revenge, feelings which have usually been repressed in adulthood but may lead to depression, adult violence, and hitting our own children. Effective discipline exists. It does not involve hitting and humiliating children.
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Post by snow on Jul 30, 2013 13:19:46 GMT -5
The 2x2s have a distinct element in their belief system that has manifested itself in various forms of abuse (I can't say it's all been physical abuse of any type). This element is that the 2x2 man is supposed to keep his family "under control." This means, that the professing father is supposed to have his wife and children behaving how the workers believe a family should behave - respectful (reverent?) to the workers, quiet, orderly, sitting still. Anything that will make the family behave this way is worker-approved. Yes, and that is why my father told me I was a disgrace to the family when I quit professing and began to develop friendships with kids that weren't professing. When I wore mascara on my white eyelashes he said I was a lady. In his eyes I was very 'wrong'. I was an embarrassment to my father because he as an elder was supposed to make sure his family 'was under control' as quizzer so aptly puts it. It's not just a spiritual killing when things like this happen, it is a self esteem killing too. And for what? Because the workers wanted me to dress and look a certain way? Because I was not supposed to have a unique personality? Because I wasn't supposed to think for myself and question why everyone but a 2x2 went to hell? No it's not all physical, but it did lead to physical many times because of his beliefs. What we belief, dictates our behaviors. He believed in what the workers told him. He also believed in a God that loved conditionally. That if he obeyed he would be loved enough to make it into heaven. I don't blame him, I blame the system that taught him these things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 13:21:58 GMT -5
DM what is the definition of Child Physical Abuse in your state?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 13:26:50 GMT -5
The 2x2s have a distinct element in their belief system that has manifested itself in various forms of abuse (I can't say it's all been physical abuse of any type). This element is that the 2x2 man is supposed to keep his family "under control." This means, that the professing father is supposed to have his wife and children behaving how the workers believe a family should behave - respectful (reverent?) to the workers, quiet, orderly, sitting still. Anything that will make the family behave this way is worker-approved. Yes, and that is why my father told me I was a disgrace to the family when I quit professing and began to develop friendships with kids that weren't professing. When I wore mascara on my white eyelashes he said I was a lady. In his eyes I was very 'wrong'. I was an embarrassment to my father because he as an elder was supposed to make sure his family 'was under control' as quizzer so aptly puts it. It's not just a spiritual killing when things like this happen, it is a self esteem killing too. And for what? Because the workers wanted me to dress and look a certain way? Because I was not supposed to have a unique personality? Because I wasn't supposed to think for myself and question why everyone but a 2x2 went to hell? No it's not all physical, but it did lead to physical many times because of his beliefs. What we belief, dictates our behaviors. He believed in what the workers told him. He also believed in a God that loved conditionally. That if he obeyed he would be loved enough to make it into heaven. I don't blame him, I blame the system that taught him these things. Whilst he was responsible for his own behaviour, this was strongly influenced by the system and culture which indoctrinated his mind. In matters such as these, putting all the blame on the individuals allows the controlling force to escape scrutiny. Remove that force and it is likely normality will return, whatever that is?
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Post by snow on Jul 30, 2013 13:47:58 GMT -5
I agree with that for the most part Ram. However, I sometimes wonder if people of certain personalities just naturally gravitate towards systems that tell them what to do, think etc. Or systems that justify what they want to do in the first place.
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Post by ts on Jul 30, 2013 14:31:25 GMT -5
No, this is not "deflection" but desperately needed "CONTEXT" When I was in the Work, we preached that the gospel that we preached would deliver a person from the world and lifestyle that you cited above. It seems now that you are saying that that is not true and that the Friends and Workers are just as statistically likely to be involved with worldly things as anyone else who does not serve God. In a sense, I agree with you. I also found the Workers' doctrine to be powerless. It is no wonder that the Workers and Friends are suffering from the same ills as the rest of the religious people they preach against.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 14:37:03 GMT -5
I agree with that for the most part Ram. However, I sometimes wonder if people of certain personalities just naturally gravitate towards systems that tell them what to do, think etc. Or systems that justify what they want to do in the first place. Whatever it is, a control element appears to be part of it, either a desire to control, or a need to be under the control of a person or system?
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Post by ts on Jul 30, 2013 14:37:31 GMT -5
Yes, and that is why my father told me I was a disgrace to the family when I quit professing and began to develop friendships with kids that weren't professing. When I wore mascara on my white eyelashes he said I was a lady. In his eyes I was very 'wrong'. I was an embarrassment to my father because he as an elder was supposed to make sure his family 'was under control' as quizzer so aptly puts it. It's not just a spiritual killing when things like this happen, it is a self esteem killing too. And for what? Because the workers wanted me to dress and look a certain way? Because I was not supposed to have a unique personality? Because I wasn't supposed to think for myself and question why everyone but a 2x2 went to hell? No it's not all physical, but it did lead to physical many times because of his beliefs. What we belief, dictates our behaviors. He believed in what the workers told him. He also believed in a God that loved conditionally. That if he obeyed he would be loved enough to make it into heaven. I don't blame him, I blame the system that taught him these things. Whilst he was responsible for his own behaviour, this was strongly influenced by the system and culture which indoctrinated his mind. In matters such as these, putting all the blame on the individuals allows the controlling force to escape scrutiny. Remove that force and it is likely normality will return, whatever that is? Right. The Workers want to have their cake and eat it, too. They say to hear their words as if it is not of man but from God. To listen obey the Workers is to obey God... Until it all goes wrong for a person. Then they heap the guilt and responsibility on the person following the Workers. "Did anyone FORCE you to follow the Workers? No, you chose to." Or "You see, you got your eyes on following man instead of Jesus. That is why you are so disappointed. Man will disappoint you but Jesus won't". it is very confusing because there are a lot of sincere people who truly want to be a part of the 2x2 system because they believe it is God's true way to their own personal salvation. I believed that. But they also do not like being abused. And they don't want to leave...but they don't like submitting to abuse....but they don't want to lose their friends....but they don't like watching their friends get abused....and they don't like the power struggles...but they don't have anywhere to go and everything else is wrong, anyway..... Very confusing.
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Post by snow on Jul 30, 2013 16:20:24 GMT -5
I agree with that for the most part Ram. However, I sometimes wonder if people of certain personalities just naturally gravitate towards systems that tell them what to do, think etc. Or systems that justify what they want to do in the first place. Whatever it is, a control element appears to be part of it, either a desire to control, or a need to be under the control of a person or system? It's understandable that power or control are huge issues in this world. Mankind has always felt so helpless that I believe that's why they started to worship things they thought did have control over them. At first it was the elements and as they evolved, religion became more and more complex. Appeasing those things that seem to hold humans 'hostage' has been going on for a very long time. So if people want to have more control in their lives, it's usually based on fear. My thoughts on it anyway.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 30, 2013 16:35:17 GMT -5
How about the little girls who have to go to school in -30 degree weather "in skirts" -- because the workers are staying at the house? We took our 3-year old girl to convention wearing pants because the temperature was 6oC (42oF) and she was the only little girl there who wasn't bare legged. I agree that this would fall under a physical or neglect abuse category in areas of cold wintere climate.....which includes many parts of Canada. My wife was scolded for sending our grade 2 girl out to the school bus in pants, and my wife flatly refused to send her out in a skirt. We got to plug our cars in so they would start in the morning, yet the expected us to send little girls out with what -- stockings?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 30, 2013 16:44:21 GMT -5
Ram, you want child abuse? Let's see. 47% of Aussie kids come from single parent families, and their homeless rate doubled in three years. Teenage binge drinking doubled in six years, and one quarter of girls reported sexual abuse in any given year, with a 2000% increase in Qld within the past ten years alone. There has been a 71% increase in sexual violence against children in 9 years, A quarter of kids under 14 have had sex, and there's a 30% increase in sexual activity in year 12 girls in ten years. A quarter of men doing DNA tests have discovered their kid aren't theirs at all. And why? Declining parental standards, plus the influence of our culture. There has been a 40% rise in wives admitting to cheating on their husbands on 20 years, and this is what kids are picking up? Now half of all parents no longer monitor what their kids watch on TV - probably because they are busy screwing around. Or maybe the parents are on drugs? Drug addled babies have increased three fold in ten years and about ten percent of kids have tried cocaine in the past year. And one day we will all look back on 2013 as being a time of innocence. So please, spare us this 2x2 "cult" "child abuse." That's a nice attempt at deflection Bert. It looks like we have come a long way from "these things happen in the world but don't happen in God's way?"And no, I don't want child abuse. That's the whole point of my argument. If we are seeking to eradicate child abuse within the 2x2 sect, let's seek to eradicate all forms of it, not just the form that to our minds seems to be worse than the others. A little bit of reality and proper alignment is required. Unfortunately we will NEVER eradicated CSA. At least until God stops wiring some poor unfortunate souls the wrong way!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 16:49:12 GMT -5
That's a nice attempt at deflection Bert. It looks like we have come a long way from "these things happen in the world but don't happen in God's way?"And no, I don't want child abuse. That's the whole point of my argument. If we are seeking to eradicate child abuse within the 2x2 sect, let's seek to eradicate all forms of it, not just the form that to our minds seems to be worse than the others. A little bit of reality and proper alignment is required. Unfortunately we will NEVER eradicated CSA. At least until God stops wiring some poor unfortunate souls the wrong way! God is just keeping us busy!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 30, 2013 17:02:39 GMT -5
PUNISHMENT is not CORRECTION -- of the child. Punishment is correction of the appearance -- not an educating in the basics of responsible social behavior.
For the parent, punishment takes much less time and achieves more impressive results -- probably giving the parents an appearance of more effective parenting. Effective correction is NOT for lazy parents.
Slapping kids' fingers for messing up the coffee table is insane -- keep the trash out of the baby's reach. People are smart enough to fence cows away from freeway traffic, yet they expect babies to have an appreciation for adult style tidiness.
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