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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 12:49:26 GMT -5
I have been talking to a friend of mine - a chartered accountant - who has some expertise in the field of tax.
He tells me that there is a requirement under self assessment for all ministers of religion to submit an annual tax return. And that penalties apply here even if no tax is due if a return is not submitted within the required deadline. So why do the workers in the UK not comply with the law? he tells me that it would be "idle" (his word) to contend that our workers are not "ministers of religion" and, in this context, he has drawn attention to the Frandle case in the USA.
Comments anyone?
Puzzled.
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Post by Greg on Jul 10, 2013 14:46:15 GMT -5
You should go the taxing authority. Be sure to have evidence of non-compliance or at least suspects of non-compliance. Be sure that you can prove your local workers are ministers.
Question: Are there adult individuals that do not have to file a return?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 17:12:34 GMT -5
In the UK, I am told that "ministers of religion (of any faith)" must submit a tax return to the tax authorities every year I understand that there are penalties for failing to comply.
Again, I am told that the term "minister of religion" is not defined in the relevant legislation. So looking at the Frandle case, what sort of factors might be relevant? Do you exercise authority over the rank and file members of your fellowship? Do you conduct baptisms? Do you conduct funerals? Then you are a "minister" mate!
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Post by irvinegrey on Jul 11, 2013 0:49:08 GMT -5
In the UK, I am told that "ministers of religion (of any faith)" must submit a tax return to the tax authorities every year I understand that there are penalties for failing to comply. Again, I am told that the term "minister of religion" is not defined in the relevant legislation. So looking at the Frandle case, what sort of factors might be relevant? Do you exercise authority over the rank and file members of your fellowship? Do you conduct baptisms? Do you conduct funerals? Then you are a "minister" mate! You could always send the HMRC (Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs) a copy of Two by Two the Shape of Shapeless Movement and highlight the relevant passage! I am sure they would not miss the point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 8:22:50 GMT -5
Good point. I may well do that despite my friends wishes to stand back. He shouldn't have told me this stuff if he didn't want me to act. Here in the UK most of us don't have to submit a tax return. Those of us that do can be identified on the HMRC website.
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Post by irvinegrey on Jul 13, 2013 10:45:41 GMT -5
According to the HMRC website: 'You have to complete a return for each year you were self-employed (or a partner in a partnership). You need to complete a tax return even if you make a loss or if it's your final year of trading.'
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Post by Gene on Jul 13, 2013 12:44:30 GMT -5
According to the HMRC website: 'You have to complete a return for each year you were self-employed (or a partner in a partnership). You need to complete a tax return even if you make a loss or if it's your final year of trading.' To state the obvious question: What is the tax authority's legal definition of 'self-employed'?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 17:34:41 GMT -5
I don't know the answer to that question. But it is clear that it doesn't matter a toss, in the UK, whether the workers are employees or self-employed. There is a legal requirement that they should submit a tax return and there are hefty penalties should they fail to do so. I would be most grateful if someone who has expertise in this area could comment.
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Post by irvinegrey on Jul 22, 2013 14:13:09 GMT -5
According to the HMRC website: 'You have to complete a return for each year you were self-employed (or a partner in a partnership). You need to complete a tax return even if you make a loss or if it's your final year of trading.' To state the obvious question: What is the tax authority's legal definition of 'self-employed'? I can only comment on the UK situation. A person is either employed or self employed. Employees, including directors are all within the Pay as You Earn (PAYE) system and this means that both income tax and and national insurance contributions are deducted at source before receipt of income. These are in turn are paid to HMRC by the employer. Quite simply those who do not pay tax and national insurance at source (PAYE) are usually treated as self-employed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 7:32:19 GMT -5
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