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May 25, 2013 11:24:59 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on May 25, 2013 11:24:59 GMT -5
They probably figure the country that first sent workers to Vietnam "owns" it. What country and who were the workers who did that?
The earliest worker I know about who labored in VN was Fred Allen who was in Saigon during the VN war. However, there very well could have been other workers in VN before Fred...
Several American soldiers mention visiting Fred, according to the Ft. Sam Houston Army Reunion 1965-1972 Memory Book; San Antonio, Texas; June 17-19, 1992; Pioneer Printing Co., 1712 Macklind Ave, St. Louis, MO 63110
From the following, it appears that Fred Allen was from Australia. Fred Allen is shown on Workers Lists for Queensland for: 1978, 1981, 1986, 1996-1998, 2006, 2008 Workers List for Queensland; Name not found on 2011. I dont have copies of the Aust. workers lists before 1978 or from 1978 to 1981.
Fred Allen was visitor at some Western Aust Convs. in 1967
QUOTE of FRED ALLEN: “Christ had a human nature, too. He was a man...God is our Father and Jesus is our elder brother...When Jesus died, the temple wall was rent in two. The way into the holiest was made open for us. In the O.T. they had to go through the High Priest to get into the presence of God, yet we have a new and living way. We can present our bodies as a living sacrifice. God had arranged this from the very beginning. Now it is revealed through the sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary's cross. He was sealing it and willing to do it. [Post Falls, Idaho Convention 1989]
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May 25, 2013 11:26:21 GMT -5
Post by breakingfree on May 25, 2013 11:26:21 GMT -5
Here are two names of Washington state: Overseer Mark Huddle Jesus is 100% God and Man mentioned this in a newspaper interview. 2) Evert Swanson the senior worker spoke Jesus the I AM that I AM God Almighty in the Old Testament in 2012 sermon. Next time I see them, I'll ask them. I'll let you know what the response is. I don't even bring it up with others. Its kind of a touchy subject. Kind of like you are stirring the pot. I can kind of understand why tho, look what happens when you bring it up on this board. A couple of years ago I asked Mark Huddle to his face if Jesus is God. He didn't answer my question. He squirmed in his seat, said "One must be very careful about who they say Jesus is." There ya go. I think workers are wishy-washy about this. The identity of Jesus is of lessor importance than the meeting in the home and the ministry without a home.
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May 25, 2013 11:37:16 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 11:37:16 GMT -5
Next time I see them, I'll ask them. I'll let you know what the response is. I don't even bring it up with others. Its kind of a touchy subject. Kind of like you are stirring the pot. I can kind of understand why tho, look what happens when you bring it up on this board. A couple of years ago I asked Mark Huddle to his face if Jesus is God. He didn't answer my question. He squirmed in his seat, said "One must be very careful about who they say Jesus is." There ya go. I think workers are wishy-washy about this. The identity of Jesus is of lessor importance than the meeting in the home and the ministry without a home. No worker will say "Jesus is God" unless they have gone rogue. Plain and simple. It is strongly against common doctrine. I have asked enough times and gotten similar answers every time. The identity of Jesus is not something that the workers avoid. They claim him to be the Son of God, just as the bible claims. I think Mark Huddle would openly endorse "Son of God" but would never say "God the Son" or "Jesus is God". Anyone believing he would is engaging in fanciful thinking.
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May 25, 2013 11:50:03 GMT -5
Post by snow on May 25, 2013 11:50:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the input --- as I have had no previous contact or knowledge of these folks -- or the work in Vietnam the last 12 years (since we were expelled). This letter came as an enclosed jpg file in an email -- so I have replied to the email and am looking forward to some more detail as to the circumstances involved. It would seem to shoot down the often propagated idea that expulsions are a thing of the past within the group. Edgar I have noted the PMs and posts suggesting that I hide the personal identity aspects of this letter posted on our Webb site -- Regarding the workers involved, I have absolutely no interest in being an accomplice in the concern to conceal the illegal aspects of their presence in Vietnam -- Regarding the authors of the letter I received, I have understood that it is their hope that this information would be spread (without censure)-- and I have no intention of attempting to hinder them in this. It has been their choice to go out and present this information, not mine.That's good to know Edgar. It would be sad to have them in trouble because of their names revealed. I agree that the workers names should be advertised just wasn't sure about the author of the letter along with their address. Thank you for clearing up that concern.
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May 25, 2013 13:11:44 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on May 25, 2013 13:11:44 GMT -5
QUOTE of FRED ALLEN, worker in Saigon, Vietnam during VN War:
“Christ had a human nature, too. He was a man...God is our Father and Jesus is our elder brother...When Jesus died, the temple wall was rent in two. The way into the holiest was made open for us. In the O.T. they had to go through the High Priest to get into the presence of God, yet we have a new and living way. We can present our bodies as a living sacrifice. God had arranged this from the very beginning. Now it is revealed through the sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary's cross. He was sealing it and willing to do it."
[Post Falls, Idaho Convention 1989]
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Post by sacerdotal on May 25, 2013 13:36:38 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I asked Mark Huddle to his face if Jesus is God. He didn't answer my question. He squirmed in his seat, said "One must be very careful about who they say Jesus is." There ya go. I think workers are wishy-washy about this. The identity of Jesus is of lessor importance than the meeting in the home and the ministry without a home. No worker will say "Jesus is God" unless they have gone rogue. Plain and simple. It is strongly against common doctrine. I have asked enough times and gotten similar answers every time. The identity of Jesus is not something that the workers avoid. They claim him to be the Son of God, just as the bible claims. I think Mark Huddle would openly endorse "Son of God" but would never say "God the Son" or "Jesus is God". Anyone believing he would is engaging in fanciful thinking. I would not say that Jesus is God either and see no reason for the workers to go Catholic and believe it either. Sent from my AT300 using proboards
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May 25, 2013 13:56:07 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 13:56:07 GMT -5
No worker will say "Jesus is God" unless they have gone rogue. Plain and simple. It is strongly against common doctrine. I have asked enough times and gotten similar answers every time. The identity of Jesus is not something that the workers avoid. They claim him to be the Son of God, just as the bible claims. I think Mark Huddle would openly endorse "Son of God" but would never say "God the Son" or "Jesus is God". Anyone believing he would is engaging in fanciful thinking. I would not say that Jesus is God either and see no reason for the workers to go Catholic and believe it either. Sent from my AT300 using proboards Yes, I'm ok with the "Son of God" position but that wasn't the point. Nathan is making claims that some workers believe that "Jesus is God" and I am fairly sure that is not the case. What should be a bigger concern for F&Ws though is the common characterization of Christ as "our elder brother". If F&Ws belive in the Son of God reigning into eternity, the term "elder brother" really makes him into "just a man" as many exes complain about, and making the workers equal with Christ....sort of as the First Overseer of the Workers. Workers really need to think about that one if they want to continue to be considered actual Christians.
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May 25, 2013 15:10:07 GMT -5
Post by ronhall on May 25, 2013 15:10:07 GMT -5
How about elder "step brother" or elder "half brother"?
Would that be more accurate?
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May 25, 2013 15:10:50 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on May 25, 2013 15:10:50 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I asked Mark Huddle to his face if Jesus is God. He didn't answer my question. He squirmed in his seat, said "One must be very careful about who they say Jesus is." There ya go. I think workers are wishy-washy about this. The identity of Jesus is of lessor importance than the meeting in the home and the ministry without a home. No worker will say "Jesus is God" unless they have gone rogue. Plain and simple. It is strongly against common doctrine. I have asked enough times and gotten similar answers every time. The identity of Jesus is not something that the workers avoid. They claim him to be the Son of God, just as the bible claims. I think Mark Huddle would openly endorse "Son of God" but would never say "God the Son" or "Jesus is God". Anyone believing he would is engaging in fanciful thinking. Evan Jones said in one of his sermons here in the US that Jesus was part man and part God. I got the impression that the "part" was his way of dealing with the other workers who would violently deny Jesus' Godliness!
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May 25, 2013 15:13:40 GMT -5
Post by fixit on May 25, 2013 15:13:40 GMT -5
What should be a bigger concern for F&Ws though is the common characterization of Christ as "our elder brother". If F&Ws belive in the Son of God reigning into eternity, the term "elder brother" really makes him into "just a man" as many exes complain about, and making the workers equal with Christ....sort of as the First Overseer of the Workers. Workers really need to think about that one if they want to continue to be considered actual Christians. I wonder what the "Jesus was not a man" crowd do with the following scripture? Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
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May 25, 2013 15:13:58 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on May 25, 2013 15:13:58 GMT -5
QUOTE of FRED ALLEN, worker in Saigon, Vietnam during VN War: “Christ had a human nature, too. He was a man...God is our Father and Jesus is our elder brother...When Jesus died, the temple wall was rent in two. The way into the holiest was made open for us. In the O.T. they had to go through the High Priest to get into the presence of God, yet we have a new and living way. We can present our bodies as a living sacrifice. God had arranged this from the very beginning. Now it is revealed through the sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary's cross. He was sealing it and willing to do it." [Post Falls, Idaho Convention 1989] It sure seems to me that Jesus' sacrifice of His life on Calvary's Cross is more or less considered of less value then what I want to think it...he goes on to say that we can be a sacrifice like Jesus, not that Jesus sacrifice "finished" the will of the Father.
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May 25, 2013 15:15:26 GMT -5
Post by ronhall on May 25, 2013 15:15:26 GMT -5
Evidently Evan Jones believes in the theory of genetics and that the theory of genetics crosses over from heaven to earth.
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May 25, 2013 15:20:30 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on May 25, 2013 15:20:30 GMT -5
How about elder "step brother" or elder "half brother"? Would that be more accurate? Jesus is the "firstborn" of the resurrection. Those who will be resurrected on resurrection day and found to have eternal life will be the younger siblings of Jesus in the regeneration of the new heaven and the new earth. That said, if one cannot find themselves able to understand simple language such as John 1 speaks...wher the very first verse clearly declares who Jesus is...."IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD." In a verse on down in the chapter it tells us who the "Word" became....it plainly states that the Word came down from heaven and took on human flesh and dwelt among mankind and was known as Jesus Christ..... I cannot figure out why people have such problems as understanding that simple language. Saying Jesus is God IS NOT just a Catholic belief....most any Christian church I've been in in the last 5 years believe that Jesus is God and is God's only begotten Son.....Jesus is one of the same and is still God...... Why is it impossible to understand that Jesus as the Father's "heir" would not be as much God as his Father? How else can He become the Father's heir?
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May 25, 2013 15:37:04 GMT -5
Post by fixit on May 25, 2013 15:37:04 GMT -5
QUOTE of FRED ALLEN, worker in Saigon, Vietnam during VN War: “Christ had a human nature, too. He was a man...God is our Father and Jesus is our elder brother...When Jesus died, the temple wall was rent in two. The way into the holiest was made open for us. In the O.T. they had to go through the High Priest to get into the presence of God, yet we have a new and living way. We can present our bodies as a living sacrifice. God had arranged this from the very beginning. Now it is revealed through the sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary's cross. He was sealing it and willing to do it." [Post Falls, Idaho Convention 1989] Its unfair and misleading to quote people out of context. Can you assure us that this was said by Fred Allen verbatim?
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May 25, 2013 15:48:37 GMT -5
Post by fixit on May 25, 2013 15:48:37 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I asked Mark Huddle to his face if Jesus is God. He didn't answer my question. He squirmed in his seat, said "One must be very careful about who they say Jesus is." There ya go. I think workers are wishy-washy about this. The identity of Jesus is of lessor importance than the meeting in the home and the ministry without a home. I want to ask you a related question: "Is Jesus man?"
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May 25, 2013 15:59:54 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on May 25, 2013 15:59:54 GMT -5
QUOTE of FRED ALLEN, worker in Saigon, Vietnam during VN War: “Christ had a human nature, too. He was a man...God is our Father and Jesus is our elder brother...When Jesus died, the temple wall was rent in two. The way into the holiest was made open for us. In the O.T. they had to go through the High Priest to get into the presence of God, yet we have a new and living way. We can present our bodies as a living sacrifice. God had arranged this from the very beginning. Now it is revealed through the sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary's cross. He was sealing it and willing to do it." [Post Falls, Idaho Convention 1989] Its unfair and misleading to quote people out of context. Can you assure us that this was said by Fred Allen verbatim? I copied it verbatim from the conv. notes given above, and quite a bit of context is provided.
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Post by Greg on May 25, 2013 16:21:28 GMT -5
I think the time has come to make every thread topic "something" and the trinity (ex: Viet Nam and the Trinity or Viet Nam/Trinity). This board's name should be Trinity Message Board. TMB still works for that.
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May 25, 2013 16:30:05 GMT -5
Post by Greg on May 25, 2013 16:30:05 GMT -5
I think the time has come to make every thread topic "something" and the trinity (ex: Viet Nam and the Trinity or Viet Nam/Trinity). This board's name should be Trinity Message Board. TMB still works for that. That is why, I started the thread on Does the word God refers ONLY to the Father? so we can leave this one for Vietnam ONLY.
Previously...
I really feel for these poor people... As of now, we do not know any of the specifics. It would sure be nice to know the specific details on what changes the Canadian workers are trying to make. We do know that they have been splitting up fields, and assigning workers to fields, rather than doing the more itinerant style as we read in Act. Letting the Spirit lead the workers where it may lead them, as they have been doing. Other than that...who knows....it could be anything. The way they conduct meetings. Maybe who leads the meetings. Maybe even Doctrine. Maybe they believe in the Trinity as Nathan does. Most Western workers that I know see the Trinitarian Doctrine as false now (please no more on the Trinity on this thread). It could be a whole number of things of which we have no idea. Given their age, I doubt that dress would be a big issue. Maybe we will get more specifics in his next letter. An ex-2x2 asked C. one of the native brothers, if he believes in the Trinity doctrine when he was visiting here in the States and he said YES!. I asked him to look at my website/message board on the Trinity.... and C. agrees. JD, you didn't hear Leo Stancliff studied/sermon on Jesus is Yeshua God in the Old Testament when he was in your field? Yes, It would be nice to hear what kind of things the new administration have added to make so much chaos, divisions over there.
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May 25, 2013 17:29:35 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 17:29:35 GMT -5
How about elder "step brother" or elder "half brother"? Would that be more accurate? I dunno ronhall, it's all far too complicated for me!
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May 25, 2013 18:59:30 GMT -5
Post by fixit on May 25, 2013 18:59:30 GMT -5
Getting back to VietNam, the takeover from the Western Alliance seems much like what they did in Alaska.
October 3rd, 1989
Our Dear Alaska Friends,
We know that you would be somewhat bewildered over the change in Robert Ingram's status, and why such action was necessary. A few years ago, three of the young sisters who now labor in the Orient, mentioned that Robert had taken too many liberties with them, and they were crushed as a result. When they confronted Robert with this, he apologized, and said it would never happen again, because he had prayed like Jacob prayed that night, and kept on praying until God took away all desire from him, so that he would have no trouble from now on.
When Sydney Holt and Jack Price were at the Olympia convention this year, a number of the young sister workers came to them. A rumor had been passed around that Robert would be having responsibility over Washington. They were quite distressed over it. One of them said, "If Robert has responsibility over the State, I will either have to give up the work or go to another State, as I couldn't work under him." Several of them went into details to explain to Sydney and Jack just what they had previously been subjected to themselves, and of the embarrassment and heartache that had been caused.
We were also disappointed to hear that there is a division in the ministry caused by a few of the Alaska workers bringing into Washington the influence of the doctrine that Truitt has been teaching in Alaska. This type of division has previously been evident in other areas where Truitt has labored. We had a long visit with Truitt in hope that he would see the damage that had been done. It has been decided that Truitt would go to Alberta with Willis Propp in hope that he could help him see where his doctrine has been in error.
The purpose of the meeting in Seattle was to see if something could be done to salvage the situation. We all felt that the only solution would be to bring in a new overseer for Alaska. One that everyone would have confidence in and would be inspired by His care. We hate to see situations like this arise in a kingdom as wonderful as the Kingdom of God, but there were problems in Bible days, and the Lord's people rose above it, and we have every reason to believe they will overcome this, and go on to enjoy a true hearty fellowship with God and with each other. I am sure if any of you wanted more details either Sydney or Jack would be able to furnish them for you. Our prayers are with you and we wish the best for the future of Alaska.
Your brothers in Christ,
Tharold Sylvester Eldon Tenniswood Ernest Nelson Howard Mooney
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May 25, 2013 21:00:08 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 21:00:08 GMT -5
QUOTE of FRED ALLEN, worker in Saigon, Vietnam during VN War: “Christ had a human nature, too. He was a man...God is our Father and Jesus is our elder brother...When Jesus died, the temple wall was rent in two. The way into the holiest was made open for us. In the O.T. they had to go through the High Priest to get into the presence of God, yet we have a new and living way. We can present our bodies as a living sacrifice. God had arranged this from the very beginning. Now it is revealed through the sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary's cross. He was sealing it and willing to do it." [Post Falls, Idaho Convention 1989] Its unfair and misleading to quote people out of context. Can you assure us that this was said by Fred Allen verbatim? do you find something wrong with the quote?
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May 25, 2013 21:31:14 GMT -5
Post by fixit on May 25, 2013 21:31:14 GMT -5
The reason for my comment was that the quote seemed to be a shortened down version of a sermon, and it's unfair to the speaker to critique someone else's take on what was said.
So I won't.
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May 25, 2013 21:58:17 GMT -5
Post by emy on May 25, 2013 21:58:17 GMT -5
Jesus is the "firstborn" of the resurrection. Those who will be resurrected on resurrection day and found to have eternal life will be the younger siblings of Jesus in the regeneration of the new heaven and the new earth. That said, if one cannot find themselves able to understand simple language such as John 1 speaks...wher the very first verse clearly declares who Jesus is...."IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD." In a verse on down in the chapter it tells us who the "Word" became....it plainly states that the Word came down from heaven and took on human flesh and dwelt among mankind and was known as Jesus Christ..... I cannot figure out why people have such problems as understanding that simple language. Saying Jesus is God IS NOT just a Catholic belief....most any Christian church I've been in in the last 5 years believe that Jesus is God and is God's only begotten Son.....Jesus is one of the same and is still God...... Why is it impossible to understand that Jesus as the Father's "heir" would not be as much God as his Father? How else can He become the Father's heir? And a few more verses from Rom. 8 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. That would be here on earth, right?
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Present tense - 'are'17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. This makes it quite clear that he is our 'first' brother: Heb. 2:10 In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God,...., should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered. 11 Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters. 12 He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises.”
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May 26, 2013 0:50:55 GMT -5
Post by fixit on May 26, 2013 0:50:55 GMT -5
I agree with Goodhand Pattison. Jesus as a humble man is an essential component of the gospel message.
Another expression he was fond of using in the first days was: "Jesus was a common man." And although at first to our Pharisaic ears, it sounded very irreverent and repulsive (so much so that some would-be-grandees, who in other respects were a bit interested in the work, took great offense and from this and other causes walked no more with us), yet none of us could contradict or deny the simple fact; and admitting and thinking it over, and making it real had a very healthy and corrective affect on me at any rate, (all events) changing completely my conception of who and what Jesus was and is, from the fictitious "Gentleman Jesus" to the Jesus of the New Testament, whom the 'common people' "heard gladly" and who had always been, both at home and abroad, from cradle to grave, the poorest and lowliest.
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May 26, 2013 2:06:35 GMT -5
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Post by ronhall on May 26, 2013 2:06:35 GMT -5
Born of a human mother from the seed of God as the father I notice that Jesus is referred to sometimes as the 'Son of Man' and other times as the 'Son of God'.
My understanding is that when scripture refers to Him as the Son of Man it pertains to the human side of His existence -- likewise then, the Son of God references would pertain to the Spiritual side of His existence.
While the concept of salvation or being saved is a popular notion, I believe that this is, in reality, the result of our taking on the nature of Jesus as a contemporary human embodiment of the Living Christ. One passage of Scripture that supports this is the rejection of the goats and the acceptance of the sheep.
In a black & white prophesy of Jesus nature, He was described as being able to refuse the evil and choose the good. This attribute is fleshed out later by the Apostle Paul in his listing of the attributes of the fruit of the spirit, e.g., "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith" (Gal 5:22) and "For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;" (Eph 5:9)
For me, I believe my hope of salvation is dependent on my allowing the power of God to cause these attributes to override the sinful character of my old human nature, i.e., to be able, like Jesus, to refuse the evil and choose the good. I also believe that where I fall short of accomplishing this in my daily living, the blood of Jesus' sacrifice for all mankind will cover the gaps.
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May 26, 2013 11:37:39 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on May 26, 2013 11:37:39 GMT -5
I think the time has come to make every thread topic "something" and the trinity (ex: Viet Nam and the Trinity or Viet Nam/Trinity). This board's name should be Trinity Message Board. TMB still works for that. Methinks you're onto something, Greg!
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May 26, 2013 12:59:32 GMT -5
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We are short on facts here, but I expect that will be forthcoming with Edgar's future discussions with these folks. Here is what I would infer from what we know so far: The parallel with the Alberta situation, at this point, seems to start with Marg rather than the experiences of the friends who were very concerned about worker activities and began to bar workers from their homes on the basis of lying. In Vietnam, the problem (from what we can infer so far), starts with a couple of workers who were not conforming to the field territorial system (parallel with Marg) and one worker has been disciplined by being banished to another country where his effectiveness is greatly reduced due to language differences (typical 2x2 worker disciplinary action). The worker banished to the other country is being supported by Vietnam friends who are now being disciplined by banishment (the parallel with Edgar's support for Marg). I'm not sure where legalism is fitting into the story thus far. I'm quite sure that legalism is being practiced more stringently in Vietnam than in some of the Western countries, but how that fits into this worker discipline problem is something I don't see at this point. I initiated this thread with the hope of some kind of enlightenment on the background of a particular tragic development within 2x2ism in Vietnam. I am glad for the information that has surfaced here, and will take the liberty of butting into the Trinity discussion that has developed, and make a quick summary of how I have understood the situation around the letter from the 2x2 alienation 80+ couple in Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam Actually I think that Clearday summarized it as well as I can understand -- These folks and a good portion of their family are just collateral damage of a typical 2x2 internal political power struggle -- where evidently the Canadian/Western USA 2x2 high council representatives had the biggest stick. (Quite likely a matter of financial control) The subtle plan of rejection and banishment for the native workers who resisted the ridged control system of Western North America, was to much to swallow for these poor folks, and their honest moral concerns were simply defined as a 'bitter spirit' by the workers ---- the rest of the story is still in the happening. In my mind the outcome is quite predictable -- There will be a few raised eyebrows for a few days, but then the 'true and faithful' will just settle back into their chairs and continue to suck their thumbs -- and hypocritically pretend it has never happened. At this point I have no illusions that 2x2ism is ever going to change its ways on this kind of anti-Christian behavior, so bucking the system is a waste of time. My only concern is to share understanding and admiration for the folks that have the moral courage to stand for truth --- they are very, very,very few in 2x2 circles these days -- perhaps in immediate risk of extinction!!!
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May 26, 2013 13:46:26 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on May 26, 2013 13:46:26 GMT -5
Edgar, do you have an estimate of how many friends have left meetings due to the take-over?
North Americans have been preaching in VN for awhile-- What are the "new" regime's policies that are being enforced? (Besides workers having designated fields?)
This happens when companies are taken over...heads roll, policies change, etc.
Also happens when new overseer comes to a state...friends wonder what changes he make.
I remember when Hubert Childers came to oversee Texas and decreed that the stereos must be removed from the rooms where meetings were held, and preferably - they should be removed from the home entirely. Whereas the former Texas Overseer, Gus Jeanson, loved and enjoyed music and the friends were free to have radios, stereos, etc. Just reminiscing...
Brings to mind... "Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph." Exodus 1:8
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