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Post by sacerdotal on Mar 9, 2013 14:06:22 GMT -5
If only the folks in the following photographs knew that the outward didn't show the condition of the soul, but that it does show the condition of the soul. . . wait. . . that doesn't make any sense. . . oh, nevermind... the poor souls, they never turned to the only true servants while they had the chance so they are perishing, yes perishing without the Savior workers. Wordly Christians in Greer County, Oklahoma 1929. Wolves in Sheeps Clothing - late 19th century Mississippi "False" (according to the workers doctrine) preacher and wife. Late 1920s These people look saved- wait- they didn't respond to the sound of the gospel as told by a worker. . . so never mind. Latin American Bible Institute in Saspamco, Texas 1926Buns- check, skirts- check, modest blouses-check, suits and ties- check. Saved- heck no. Faculty and students of the first class of Central Bible Institute, Springfield, MissouriGot the look- yeppers. Saved- no way Look at this nice professing lady, no wait.... this is a photo of Belle Gunness, America's first female serial killer. Oh, now for a photo (artist's interpretation) of a true Godly woman:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 14:50:08 GMT -5
Yes, denominational churches before the 1930s pretty much looked like workers and friends. Then women began working in the factories while men were at war. There was a danger of a lady getting her dress caught up in a machine. Yet overseers felt that "God's way doesn't" and "shouldn't change". So the hair and dress thing became institutional. Thanks to social networking, some professing women are dressing less like women from the Stagecoach era. Thanks be to social networking like facebook, pinterest etc.. If one professing lady doesn't get in trouble for dress/hair infractions, another one gets the nerve to do so. Now it is less of an issue. Most professing women over 70 wouldn't be caught dead in "men's clothing". But the under 40 (especially under 30) gals are less into the dress code thing.
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Post by Happy Feet on Mar 9, 2013 15:21:43 GMT -5
What do you mean, "Most professing women over 70 wouldn't be caught dead in "men's clothing".
My mother professed when my father was away overseas at war. She wrote and told him she had professed. He said that was ok as long as she did not wear men's clothing. Women in meeting apparently in those days wore suits like men except the women had skirts and men had trousers. They were very masculine looking, their hair pulled back like many do also looks very masculine.
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Post by sacerdotal on Mar 9, 2013 15:49:59 GMT -5
But the under 40 (especially under 30) gals are less into the dress code thing. Nope- they are into the hypocrisy thing- "so as not to offend." So, at conventions and meetings they wear their hair in buns and wear skirts and dresses- which is OK- but what is not OK is when they then speak ill of the women that might be wearing pants- for "being disrespectful" or- the horror- being "disobedient".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 16:01:45 GMT -5
Yes, denominational churches before the 1930s pretty much looked like workers and friends. Then women began working in the factories while men were at war. There was a danger of a lady getting her dress caught up in a machine. Yet overseers felt that "God's way doesn't" and "shouldn't change". So the hair and dress thing became institutional. Thanks to social networking, some professing women are dressing less like women from the Stagecoach era. Thanks be to social networking like facebook, pinterest etc.. If one professing lady doesn't get in trouble for dress/hair infractions, another one gets the nerve to do so. Now it is less of an issue. Most professing women over 70 wouldn't be caught dead in "men's clothing". But the under 40 (especially under 30) gals are less into the dress code thing. LOL: some of us old gals who just turned 60 aren't into the dress code thing either~
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Post by sacerdotal on Mar 9, 2013 16:03:50 GMT -5
Yes, denominational churches before the 1930s pretty much looked like workers and friends. Then women began working in the factories while men were at war. There was a danger of a lady getting her dress caught up in a machine. Yet overseers felt that "God's way doesn't" and "shouldn't change". So the hair and dress thing became institutional. Thanks to social networking, some professing women are dressing less like women from the Stagecoach era. Thanks be to social networking like facebook, pinterest etc.. If one professing lady doesn't get in trouble for dress/hair infractions, another one gets the nerve to do so. Now it is less of an issue. Most professing women over 70 wouldn't be caught dead in "men's clothing". But the under 40 (especially under 30) gals are less into the dress code thing. So, before the war, when the dress code was more equal between the friends and workers and the other groups- like the Baptists- how could you tell who was saved and who wasn't? Yep- by the Spirit- not by the dress code. The same way that one can tell whose are the Lord's since the beginning of time no matter the dress code. But, to be accurate- black stockings for women were still required for women WAY PAST the time that the Baptists and other denominations (and society in general) had stopped wearing them as a sign of "modesty". And some overseers during this time were "recommending" that women not get married.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 16:05:20 GMT -5
But the under 40 (especially under 30) gals are less into the dress code thing. Nope- they are into the hypocrisy thing- "so as not to offend." So, at conventions and meetings they wear their hair in buns and wear skirts and dresses- which is OK- but what is not OK is when they then speak ill of the women that might be wearing pants- for "being disrespectful" or- the horror- being "disobedient". Yes, following Paul's rules, neither the one who wears nor the one who doesn't not wear should find fault with the other. (yeah, I know he was talking about meat sacrificed to idols....) It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.
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Post by sacerdotal on Mar 9, 2013 16:07:10 GMT -5
Yes, denominational churches before the 1930s pretty much looked like workers and friends. Then women began working in the factories while men were at war. There was a danger of a lady getting her dress caught up in a machine. Yet overseers felt that "God's way doesn't" and "shouldn't change". So the hair and dress thing became institutional. Thanks to social networking, some professing women are dressing less like women from the Stagecoach era. Thanks be to social networking like facebook, pinterest etc.. If one professing lady doesn't get in trouble for dress/hair infractions, another one gets the nerve to do so. Now it is less of an issue. Most professing women over 70 wouldn't be caught dead in "men's clothing". But the under 40 (especially under 30) gals are less into the dress code thing. LOL: some of us old gals who just turned 60 aren't into the dress code thing either~ You go, girl.
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Post by snow on Mar 9, 2013 17:24:43 GMT -5
The Latin America Bible Institute women are wearing bows, and that's far too flashy to be godly. just saying... I can see why they aren't saved, whatever that is...
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Post by kencoolidge on Mar 9, 2013 17:35:28 GMT -5
Mat 6:25 ¶ Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
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Post by jondough on Mar 9, 2013 18:55:04 GMT -5
Yes, denominational churches before the 1930s pretty much looked like workers and friends. Then women began working in the factories while men were at war. There was a danger of a lady getting her dress caught up in a machine. Yet overseers felt that "God's way doesn't" and "shouldn't change". So the hair and dress thing became institutional. Thanks to social networking, some professing women are dressing less like women from the Stagecoach era. Thanks be to social networking like facebook, pinterest etc.. If one professing lady doesn't get in trouble for dress/hair infractions, another one gets the nerve to do so. Now it is less of an issue. Most professing women over 70 wouldn't be caught dead in "men's clothing". But the under 40 (especially under 30) gals are less into the dress code thing. LOL: some of us old gals who just turned 60 aren't into the dress code thing either~ Hberry You do obey this scripture - yes? 1st Cor 11:5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head
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Post by sharonw on Mar 9, 2013 19:05:21 GMT -5
What do you mean, "Most professing women over 70 wouldn't be caught dead in "men's clothing". My mother professed when my father was away overseas at war. She wrote and told him she had professed. He said that was ok as long as she did not wear men's clothing. Women in meeting apparently in those days wore suits like men except the women had skirts and men had trousers. They were very masculine looking, their hair pulled back like many do also looks very masculine. You know, something that's been a pet peeve for years for me...and that is that some women look quite lovely with their hair sleeked back off their face and they actually still look feminine. However, I've never looked good with my hair sleeked back and I feel I look mascualine except when a person looks a bit more southern! lol I actually look best with short hair, I don't look like I'm vying for some ugly contest! sheesh!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 19:07:35 GMT -5
LOL: some of us old gals who just turned 60 aren't into the dress code thing either~ Hberry You do obey this scripture - yes? 1st Cor 11:5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head Yes, I wear a veil over my hair when I pray in public ;D
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Post by sharonw on Mar 9, 2013 19:11:16 GMT -5
Yes, denominational churches before the 1930s pretty much looked like workers and friends. Then women began working in the factories while men were at war. There was a danger of a lady getting her dress caught up in a machine. Yet overseers felt that "God's way doesn't" and "shouldn't change". So the hair and dress thing became institutional. Thanks to social networking, some professing women are dressing less like women from the Stagecoach era. Thanks be to social networking like facebook, pinterest etc.. If one professing lady doesn't get in trouble for dress/hair infractions, another one gets the nerve to do so. Now it is less of an issue. Most professing women over 70 wouldn't be caught dead in "men's clothing". But the under 40 (especially under 30) gals are less into the dress code thing. So, before the war, when the dress code was more equal between the friends and workers and the other groups- like the Baptists- how could you tell who was saved and who wasn't? Yep- by the Spirit- not by the dress code. The same way that one can tell whose are the Lord's since the beginning of time no matter the dress code. But, to be accurate- black stockings for women were still required for women WAY PAST the time that the Baptists and other denominations (and society in general) had stopped wearing them as a sign of "modesty". And some overseers during this time were "recommending" that women not get married. Actually, the f&w's, ladies, that is were wearing black hose nearly until there was no getting them at all. After WWII it became nearly impossible to buy black hose, so some women bought the old ugly brown cotton hose and died them black to keep the workers from jumping onto them. My Gram was still wearing those ugly brown cotton hose but she didn't bother to dye them, but her skirts were halfway down her calves, so not much was seen anyway.....and the workers knew she was poor, so they didn't raze her too bad for she was faithful in most other things.
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Post by sharonw on Mar 9, 2013 19:13:43 GMT -5
LOL: some of us old gals who just turned 60 aren't into the dress code thing either~ Hberry You do obey this scripture - yes? 1st Cor 11:5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head Actually, the sister workers don't even obey this scripture!~! If they'd let their long hair down they'd come nearer to obeying it...but then they fuss because it's hot on their necks and in is in the way when a woman needs to do some work, so they fasten up their hair to look just like "shorn" hair...and then they do NOT wear a veil either!
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Post by sharonw on Mar 9, 2013 19:15:08 GMT -5
Hberry You do obey this scripture - yes? 1st Cor 11:5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head Yes, I wear a veil over my hair when I pray in public ;D I suppose that it's easy to forget to carry a veil with you everywhere you go, so then you have a scriptural excuse for not praying in public, eh? Smart woman!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 19:46:33 GMT -5
Yes, I wear a veil over my hair when I pray in public ;D I suppose that it's easy to forget to carry a veil with you everywhere you go, so then you have a scriptural excuse for not praying in public, eh? Smart woman! LOL: I have no conviction on hair at all. And since it is no longer a shame for a woman to cut her hair, cutting it isn't an issue for me. And wearing it up is not required by scripture--so I don't except on Sunday and Wed nite. But, as JD likely meant, I do obey the dress code when I'm with the friends. It does not feel like the freedom Christ has called us into, however, since our culture no longer requires it--which I think was the point of all Paul's discussion on hair. JMO, of course.
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Post by snow on Mar 9, 2013 20:06:11 GMT -5
Yes, I wear a veil over my hair when I pray in public ;D I suppose that it's easy to forget to carry a veil with you everywhere you go, so then you have a scriptural excuse for not praying in public, eh? Smart woman! I've noticed that about HBerry You know, the smart part....
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Post by slowtosee on Mar 9, 2013 20:25:13 GMT -5
Smart woman! [/quote] I've noticed that about HBerry You know, the smart part.... Yes, I noticed that of her , too, snow, and I think you are ALSO "guilty" of that, and it shows.~~~~~ Some conservative Mennonite groups (my background) require a black headcovering for the women, and I remember some discussion amongst them, how it seemed so ridiculous because , what if they felt moved to pray upon waking in the night........ oh dear, where is my headcovering, I can't pray without it, blah blah blah. Some of the girls were laughing as they recalled the time , when a group of them , in their conservative dress code, had been riding an elevator with a "wordly" man, and they had heard the man mutter as he vacated the elevator "thank God I'm an atheist". Alvin
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Post by emy on Mar 9, 2013 20:58:44 GMT -5
Yes, I noticed that of her , too, snow, and I think you are ALSO "guilty" of that, and it shows.~~~~~ Some conservative Mennonite groups (my background) require a black headcovering for the women, and I remember some discussion amongst them, how it seemed so ridiculous because , what if they felt moved to pray upon waking in the night........ oh dear, where is my headcovering, I can't pray without it, blah blah blah. Some of the girls were laughing as they recalled the time , when a group of them , in their conservative dress code, had been riding an elevator with a "wordly" man, and they had heard the man mutter as he vacated the elevator "thank God I'm an atheist". Alvin A friend and I rode on a train with some Mennonite (I think) families and we noticed that when they prepared for the night, they took off their net bun coverings and put on bandana type scarves. That was a very interesting train ride!!
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Post by slowtosee on Mar 9, 2013 21:07:59 GMT -5
Hi Emy, Was this in Mexico ? Many of the "dress code" traditions are not being practised by Mennonites anymore, but still common amongst others. You might be interested to read a websute from some folks who were excommunicated from their conservative group, which I am somewhat familiar with as I have relatives there. www.theholdemans.com/ Alvin PS- I think they have links on their website to some f&w sites also ,as they recognize the similarities. Here's a poem Will Stoppell wrote to the ones who exed him- Take a Message, Lord The gate is bolted, Lord, And we cannot scale the wall. Against a stony barricade Our words in silence fall. But You are never barred By the fortress round the soul; Within the guarded palisade Your Words like waters roll. In vain the heart is locked, And for naught the sentries keep; Within the strongest citadel Your tender pleadings sweep. Your Spirit flows unchecked To the hearts that hide away And whispers softly in their ear The words we cannot say. So take a message, Lord, To the ones we cannot reach And flood Your love within the walls That only You can breach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 21:35:14 GMT -5
Sacerdotal, the veil was a symbol of respectability back in the late Bronze Age. You read about it in Genesis. By Paul's day it was no longer such a symbol. The garments Jesus railed against are much the same you see some religious leaders wear today - symbols of their own righteousness such as vestments. The garments Christians should wear speak of moderation and respect.
This is in scripture, and it makes you look like you don't read scripture.
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Post by slowtosee on Mar 9, 2013 21:50:33 GMT -5
Hi Bert, others, Is it modest to wear apparrel that makes you look conspicuous or "different" than the normal clothing of the day and country you are a part of. It seems like some conservative "dress codes" actually do the exact opposite of what the intent is- to be modest. Instead it often speaks loud and clear - look at ME , I'm special , I am different, I am not like the rest of you, God is pleased with me because of how I dress differently etc.e tc. Some scripture addresses this specifically, that it is NOT the outward dress that signifies godliness or lack thereof. Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 22:09:40 GMT -5
Hi Emy, Was this in Mexico ? Many of the "dress code" traditions are not being practised by Mennonites anymore, but still common amongst others. You might be interested to read a websute from some folks who were excommunicated from their conservative group, which I am somewhat familiar with as I have relatives there. www.theholdemans.com/ Alvin PS- I think they have links on their website to some f&w sites also ,as they recognize the similarities. Here's a poem Will Stoppell wrote to the ones who exed him- Take a Message, Lord The gate is bolted, Lord, And we cannot scale the wall. Against a stony barricade Our words in silence fall. But You are never barred By the fortress round the soul; Within the guarded palisade Your Words like waters roll. In vain the heart is locked, And for naught the sentries keep; Within the strongest citadel Your tender pleadings sweep. Your Spirit flows unchecked To the hearts that hide away And whispers softly in their ear The words we cannot say. So take a message, Lord, To the ones we cannot reach And flood Your love within the walls That only You can breach. What an awesome, heartfelt poem; so well said.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 22:09:57 GMT -5
VerySlowToSee Read the post above, s.l.o.w.l.y. Jesus and his followers did not wear vestments or clerical garments as your church leaders usually do. But they did dress in a manner which was dignified, respectful and moderate. I wear a business shirt and tie at weddings, funerals or job interviews. I see no reason why I shouldn't do the same when I enter a place of worship to God.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 22:26:35 GMT -5
Hi Bert, others, Is it modest to wear apparrel that makes you look conspicuous or "different" than the normal clothing of the day and country you are a part of. It seems like some conservative "dress codes" actually do the exact opposite of what the intent is- to be modest. Instead it often speaks loud and clear - look at ME , I'm special , I am different, I am not like the rest of you, God is pleased with me because of how I dress differently etc.e tc. Some scripture addresses this specifically, that it is NOT the outward dress that signifies godliness or lack thereof. Alvin That's my take on looking too different from the culture around us. If I am modest within the context of the culture I live in, and show by my kindness to all that I'm a Christian, then I have honored my Savior.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 22:31:10 GMT -5
VerySlowToSee Read the post above, s.l.o.w.l.y. Somehow your posting makes me think of Ephesians 4:15-16 (ESV) 15 Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.
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Post by slowtosee on Mar 9, 2013 22:34:40 GMT -5
I wear a business shirt and tie at weddings, funerals or job interviews. I see no reason why I shouldn't do the same when I enter a place of worship to God. I think that is quite proper and correct for you to do , Bert. I also feel it would be quite proper and correct and respectful for someone who is NOT a "business shirt and tie" person to do the same , and I hope and pray that I would NOT ever judge or look down on a person who does not "dress' according to MY idea of "proper", including "business shirt and tie" people. Thanks for your input here, Bert. Alvin
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