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Post by scared guy on Dec 14, 2012 19:01:27 GMT -5
In answer to what,
I have serious doubts about whether Jesus was the person/spirit etc that followers believe. I also have grave doubts about the Bible being the absolute word of God.
I do believe in God but I do not have complete faith.
I believe that far too much emphasis is made on CSA matters and firmly believe that much of the talk on these boards will prejudice the opportunity for justice to be achieved against some accused.
This MAY have been the reason that the Wings site became inaccessible without registration after the comments made by a particular victim.
I hasten to add that CSA is absolutely evil and MUST be eradicated from society as a whole.
I also believe that ALL Christian religious denominations believe that Christianity started on the shores of Galilee. Further I have no trouble about the F & W's believing that true Christianity insists that the way is Strait, Narrow and open to but a few. It also is founded on the way the message is to be received.
Of all the Christian beliefs that I have ever come across, the F & W's make more sense and I believe that to speak against it is done at one's own peril.
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Post by StAnne on Dec 14, 2012 19:16:40 GMT -5
Of all the Christian beliefs that I have ever come across, the F & W's make more sense and I believe that to speak against it is done at one's own peril. Where was the 2x2 church as it is known for 1897 years - until it was begun by William Irvine borrowing tenets of the Faith Mission - and the first workers went out? |
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Post by Greg on Dec 14, 2012 20:04:39 GMT -5
Of all the Christian beliefs that I have ever come across, the F & W's make more sense and I believe that to speak against it is done at one's own peril. Where was the 2x2 church as it is known for 1897 years - until it was begun by William Irvine borrowing tenets of the Faith Mission - and the first workers went out? Cue Nathan....copy and paste. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 22:19:45 GMT -5
In answer to what, I believe that far too much emphasis is made on CSA matters and firmly believe that much of the talk on these boards will prejudice the opportunity for justice to be achieved against some accused. This MAY have been the reason that the Wings site became inaccessible without registration after the comments made by a particular victim. I hasten to add that CSA is absolutely evil and MUST be eradicated from society as a whole. ..... Of all the Christian beliefs that I have ever come across, the F & W's make more sense and I believe that to speak against it is done at one's own peril. For many, leaving the F&W group is a loss that requires a grieving process part one stage of which is anger. I do think some of the reaction to instances of CSA taps into this anger - it needs a focus - as does the perception the workers deceived so many re beginnings. Personally I don't think too much emphasis is being put upon CSA - though it threatens a just and measured approach to accusations. What will help all society deal better with CSA is increased education and understanding rather than demonisation of perpetrators. At this stage my impression of views expressed on both this and the Wings site is a lack of insight and measured responses based on experience. The Wings site, being victim focused, is probably not the place for challenging debate and hopefully the level of understanding will grow on this site. Your last statement Scared Guy surprises me. One of the reasons I left the group is because of the fear based mentality. "Doubters, questioners will be struck down!" Do you really want to believe in a God that is threatened by our doubts, our fears, our questions? Do you think God is threatened more if we express what lies in our minds? Don't you think God is interested in our journey, not simply the destination? I've met people and groups in vastly differing places and lifestyles all over the world that seemed to me far closer to God than anybody I ever encountered in the F&W group. God is love, not fear but the culture of the group is crippled by it (fear). I should note I'm using the term God but not talking of the male dude in the sky verson peddled in most Judeo/Christian/Islam groups. |
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Post by StAnne on Dec 14, 2012 23:12:44 GMT -5
Where was the 2x2 church as it is known for 1897 years - until it was begun by William Irvine borrowing tenets of the Faith Mission - and the first workers went out? Cue Nathan....copy and paste. Ya think?  |
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Post by StAnne on Dec 14, 2012 23:22:54 GMT -5
Yes. The founder-finder of the 2x2. |
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Post by sharonw on Dec 15, 2012 20:16:50 GMT -5
Jesus' truth and way is NOT THE 2x2 fellowship nor workers....this is a serious misleading thing that many within the 2x2 fellowship have confused this within their minds and this is hard to step back from...but NO group is "Jesus' truth and way" for Jesus ALONE is Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.! |
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Post by dlb5674 on Dec 16, 2012 2:07:42 GMT -5
Jesus' truth and way is NOT THE 2x2 fellowship nor workers....this is a serious misleading thing that many within the 2x2 fellowship have confused this within their minds and this is hard to step back from...but NO group is "Jesus' truth and way" for Jesus ALONE is Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.! I'm not Sharon but you may soon tell us they were Reptilians or Greys aliens? |
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Post by StAnne on Dec 16, 2012 15:45:45 GMT -5
Jesus' truth and way is NOT THE 2x2 fellowship nor workers....this is a serious misleading thing that many within the 2x2 fellowship have confused this within their minds and this is hard to step back from...but NO group is "Jesus' truth and way" for Jesus ALONE is Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.! I didn't read that very carefully, did I. I fell for the ' finder' ' founder' argument that Nathan likes to put forward.  Thanks for catching that Sharon! I would also add - 1 Tim 3:15 tells us that the church of the living God is the pillar and foundation of truth. |
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Post by StAnne on Dec 16, 2012 16:28:22 GMT -5
I didn't read that very carefully, did I. I fell for the ' finder' ' founder' argument that Nathan likes to put forward. Thanks for catching that Sharon! I would also add - 1 Tim 3:15 tells us that the church of the living God is the pillar and foundation of truth. Anyone who so chooses can go back thru history and research the truth of the early history. But. Coming back to topic ... one certainly cannot say that the 2x2 church is the early church or the true church. It has not existed until Wm Irvine and it has, even according to your own belief, taught heresy concerning the most fundamental of Christian doctrine - the misrepresentation of the Holy Trinity. |
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Post by JO on Dec 22, 2012 13:06:49 GMT -5
It has not existed until Wm Irvine and it has, even according to your own belief, taught heresy concerning the most fundamental of Christian doctrine - the misrepresentation of the Holy Trinity. Trinitarians come across to me as bullies. A follower of Jesus Christ must profess their man-made theology to be considered a proper Christian. |
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Post by StAnne on Dec 22, 2012 13:37:58 GMT -5
It has not existed until Wm Irvine and it has, even according to your own belief, taught heresy concerning the most fundamental of Christian doctrine - the misrepresentation of the Holy Trinity. Trinitarians come across to me as bullies. A follower of Jesus Christ must profess their man-made theology to be considered a proper Christian. You tryin' to pick a fight with me? |
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Post by StAnne on Dec 22, 2012 13:40:14 GMT -5
Oh. Wait.
You are trying to divert.
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Post by JO on Dec 22, 2012 14:21:37 GMT -5
Nah...I'm defending the simplicity that is in Christ.
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Post by sharonw on Dec 23, 2012 11:35:00 GMT -5
Nah...I'm defending the simplicity that is in Christ. I don't believe any of us are speaking against the "simplicity" that is in Christ, JO The simplicity that is truth is that Jesus is the Word is God who took on flesh in the form of a fetus in Mary's womb and was born at the proper amount of gestational days, etc. In that instance is there such simplicity? As a partum nurse, I don't find pregnancy and childbirth simple or of simplicity....so IF you believe Jesus was incarnated into Mary's womb and being the ONLY begotten Son of God which HE WAS before HE incarnated himself into her womb, etc. Jesus as the Word of God NEVER lost HIS holiness, His divinity or His God qualities that He enjoyed from before the world ever became..... All of this is the mystery of God, and no one will ever understand it all, but IF we keep Jesus as our Saviour and worship Him as Divine, then I feel we're on our way so that when we enter into the kingdom of heaven that we will understand it all....it will all be plain. An elderly mother-in-law lay on her deathbed, having professed most of her life, her daughter-in-law sat close to her and as the lady took her last breath she told that dil in a very whispery breath, "If you don't understand, you will." Seems she got full understanding just as she went into her rest of her soul.....she had been a very simple testimony typed person while she professed but she got IT all at the last breath. I knew 2 other elderly ladies who also had had simple testimonies and one actually admitted she didn't get it all but the love that led Jesus to Calvary....I feel both of them are in the rest their souls in Jesus' care. But in our human minds we might be tending to either make the mystery of God too complicated or making it too simple....we just need to be open to learning a little bit day by day, eh? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 18:39:58 GMT -5
For me, there are many things in life with two messages, like a coin. Can anyone see both sides at once? if someone saw a coin for the first time in their life would they not pick it up, and discover the other side? So it is for me with this matter of my Savior's Humanity and Divinity. If I try to see both sides at one time, it is very difficult for me, yet looking carefully at both of those qualities, I know what both sides of that issue look like and will not refute either of them...neither Yahu'shuah's humanity nor His Divinity.
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Post by sharonw on Dec 28, 2012 20:11:56 GMT -5
~~ But NOT the Roman Catholic Church truth for sure. If the Popes, Cardinals had exterminated the Vaudois without leaving a trace. Your Roman Catholic Church could have been the ONLY True church on the planet but God did NOT allow that to happen for the True Church to be wiped out! Anyone who so chooses can go back thru history and research the truth of the early history. But. Coming back to topic ... one certainly cannot say that the 2x2 church is the early church or the true church. It has not existed until Wm Irvine and it has, even according to your own belief, taught heresy concerning the most fundamental of Christian doctrine - the misrepresentation of the Holy Trinity. In line with this and in answer also to Nathan's question about who the first people were in the days following Jesus' ascension,,,I think he is asking. It is my understanding that they did not take a name except to be followers of Jesus and this name was a name that usually would lead to certain death, so it seems the early "christ followers" were afraid for their lives and kept their "christ following" pretty mum, however they continued to pray in the temple everyday and also recognized all other Jewish customs of faith. It wasn't until Paul had been at Antioch that the word "Christian" was first used....or as one worker said once not long ago "Christian" is nothing more then "Christ in us". If we continue on with this group clear into Revelations, there is described "7" churches scattered throughout eurloasia. And there really is NO real name stuck to them other then their position as to geographical area. So we can't say for sure they were just Christians, Catholics or Protestants, but we can with certainty say they were "Christ followers." Does that answer you question, Nathan? |
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Post by sharonw on Jan 25, 2013 19:25:49 GMT -5
Jesus' truth and way is NOT THE 2x2 fellowship nor workers....this is a serious misleading thing that many within the 2x2 fellowship have confused this within their minds and this is hard to step back from...but NO group is "Jesus' truth and way" for Jesus ALONE is Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.! Actually, Nathan, it says that they continued to go to the temple to pray daily....so many people thought they were still part of the Jews' church....but then the visited each other in the homes that were available and broke bread and sipped wine.....supposedly they were "Jesus' followers" Again Nathan, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Let's put it this way....as I've heard 2x2'ers and myself included say that the 2x2 workers' church was Jesus' Way....BUT that is NOT scriptural....the scripture does not speak of ANY body of religious believers as "Jesus' Way".... The bible states that Jesus IS the Way, the Truth and the Life....otherwords Jesus is all that there is and it isn't just His Way but it is God's Way of salvation.....Jesus is who we must come to the Father through....Jesus is who died for us and who we must feed and drink of....Jesus is who is the heir of God the Father and we're only the joint-heirs....Jesus is EVERYTHING, just not Jesus' possession..... I don't know how else to try and tell you what I'm talking about...but perhaps bluntly put Jesus didn't start a "Way" of religious grouping per se...for He did tell the woman at the well that the time would come when people would worship God in spirit and in truth and seriously that is the way to do it...not classifying a human grouping as being the "Way" or the "Jesus Way".... I think this comes from saying that the basic tenets of the 2x2 fellowship ARE the homeless ministry and the mtgs. in the home...it doesn't classify that faith in Jesus is what brings salvation at all.....it is a gospel plus that is preached most the time.... |
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Post by jscc1 on Jul 24, 2014 0:00:15 GMT -5
2x2s is a heresy of great magnitude!!!! Preacher only=incomplete church assembly biblical teaching EG-Ephesians Ch 4,v 11/12. ! timothy Ch 3.(Bishops/Deacons)
Celibate demand unbiblical and has proved dangerous,encourages sexual unatural deviants=EG 1 Corinthians Ch 9 v 5/6.
Dress code to be able to judge members visually externally as complient or not to their wanted bondage.
Non ecumenical exclusive judgements and seperative attitudes towards anyone outside the secret sects box (other sheep I have that are not of this fold),love your neighbour AS YOURSELF?To remain exclusive you must sinfully judge to prove your closed belief?
The coverups of ministry sins,EG CSA,claiming namelessness,lying as Evan Jones did in his sworn statement to court re Henderson childrens suicides.(read it,what would he have done if he found your TV and DVD player hidden in that locked cupboard.Or are you one of the few honest ones not hiding them?)He also said they are using the 2x2 known international title Christian Conventions,as kids wish we could have used that name instead of facing the barrage of "you are Cooneyites" he (Cooney)had moved through our district years ago.
If wrong,PLEASE give me five reasons why 2x2s are not an unbiblical sect or for that matter a heresy?
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Post by Mary on Jul 24, 2014 20:54:33 GMT -5
Jesus started the New Testament apostolic ministry and fellowship of believers, who meet together in the homes, to worship God the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus in Spirit and in Truth= Christ's Passover Lamb of God. Jesus is the ONLY Way to Salvation. He is the ONLY bridge from earth to heaven. He is the Way, the Truth and Life. Jesus apostolic ministry is God the Father and Jesus' Way to bring the message of hope/Salvation to humanity. Paul wrote in I Cor. 1:18,21 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.... For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Jesus said to Peter in Matthew 16:18-19 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. ~~ It is through the Preaching ministry of the apostles and Witnessing/sharing the word of God from his followers that people come to know about Jesus is the Savior. He is our ONLY hope to be heaven with the Father in heaven. Jesus is the Door, the gate for ALL to enter in heavenly realm. I don't see where Jesus started meeting in homes as Jesus and the believers were still going to the temple to worship as the person's whose post you quoted wrote. As we know Christians began meeting in homes as somewhere to meet and as they got bigger and in places where there was no persecution Christians started building bigger places to gather. Christians believe Jesus is the only way to salvation whereas you and the workers preach that salvation must come through hearing the workers. Of course Christians believe the verses you quoted, it is not unique to the workers who believe in Jesus plus the ministry. No people do not only come to know Jesus just through the workers they come to know Jesus thought the preaching of the Cross, that is what you quoted above but you add the workers to the picture. It seems that you do not believe that salvation is through Jesus and the Cross alone as you are saying it is the messenger and not the message or else you would accept others who preach the message of the Cross. Also salvation is through the work of the Holy Spirit not man. Some, not all come to know Jesus through preaching. Yes, Jesus is the door, not the workers. There are lots of flaws in what you wrote Nathan. If you just stick to Jesus then there is no problem but you add the workers to the equation. Jesus is the way and the only way, not Jesus plus the workers. Christians are out there in the world, they are not some isolated group hidden away in people's homes. We are to set our light on a hill, not under a bushel. That was for times of persecution not in free countries. |
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Post by Mary on Jul 24, 2014 21:56:29 GMT -5
It does not say that we were to substitute the temple for the home. It says the temple is our body it does not say it is a home. All you have done is move the temple from a large building to the temple being the home, rather than the temple being our bodies. It says as often as we meet to break bread, it does not say you have to do it in the home but where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name we can take it. Nothing about it must be in the home. You are continually adding to the Bible by making rules which are not there. The simplicity of Christ is robbed with your rules that we must do this or that.
The marks are a changed life, not man's works such as meeting in a home, believing in and following the workers. The Bible message is to break bread not where we meet, and it is to believe in the message of Christ only not to believe in the workers message only. The workers have taken the message and complicated it to a set of man made rules. Salvation is in Jesus, preaching is the message of the Cross, meeting is where ever believers are gathered. Not find the workers, believe in their message, meet in a home... all man made rules and nothing to do with salvation as laid out in the Bible.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 24, 2014 22:22:32 GMT -5
It has not existed until Wm Irvine and it has, even according to your own belief, taught heresy concerning the most fundamental of Christian doctrine - the misrepresentation of the Holy Trinity. Trinitarians come across to me as bullies. A follower of Jesus Christ must profess their man-made theology to be considered a proper Christian.
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Post by Mary on Jul 25, 2014 2:42:21 GMT -5
Nothing in the Bible about having to partake of the emblems in the home, that is a rule the workers made up. Jesus did not substitute one building for another, Jesus became the substitute for our sins. Big difference between the temple being a building and temple being within you. No Nathan the substitute was not the temple substituted for the home. The substitute was from a building to being 'within you'.
If Jesus' message alone saves then you would believe those who preach the message not those who claim to be the only messengers. The test is the message they preach and the workers do not preach Jesus as the way but they preach their fellowship and themselves as the way.
As you quoted: Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
So Nathan you are standing on shaky ground when you do not accept those who preach the Gospel message and add to it like the workers do. The workers are not the way, Jesus is the way and we can only come to the Father through Him, not the workers. You either believe the Bible or you do not and try to twist it to suit your own self as the workers do.
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It does not say that we were to substitute the temple for the home. It says the temple is our body it does not say it is a home. All you have done is move the temple from a large building to the temple being the home, rather than the temple being our bodies. It says as often as we meet to break bread, it does not say you have to do it in the home but where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name we can take it. Nothing about it must be in the home. You are continually adding to the Bible by making rules which are not there. The simplicity of Christ is robbed with your rules that we must do this or that. The marks are a changed life, not man's works such as meeting in a home, believing in and following the workers. The Bible message is to break bread not where we meet, and it is to believe in the message of Christ only not to believe in the workers message only. The workers have taken the message and complicated it to a set of man made rules. Salvation is in Jesus, preaching is the message of the Cross, meeting is where ever believers are gathered. Not find the workers, believe in their message, meet in a home... all man made rules and nothing to do with salvation as laid out in the Bible. church in a home Rom_16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ. 1Co_16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. Col_4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house. Phm_1:2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house: |
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Post by snow on Jul 25, 2014 13:28:28 GMT -5
It does not say that we were to substitute the temple for the home. It says the temple is our body it does not say it is a home. All you have done is move the temple from a large building to the temple being the home, rather than the temple being our bodies. It says as often as we meet to break bread, it does not say you have to do it in the home but where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name we can take it. Nothing about it must be in the home. You are continually adding to the Bible by making rules which are not there. The simplicity of Christ is robbed with your rules that we must do this or that. The marks are a changed life, not man's works such as meeting in a home, believing in and following the workers. The Bible message is to break bread not where we meet, and it is to believe in the message of Christ only not to believe in the workers message only. The workers have taken the message and complicated it to a set of man made rules. Salvation is in Jesus, preaching is the message of the Cross, meeting is where ever believers are gathered. Not find the workers, believe in their message, meet in a home... all man made rules and nothing to do with salvation as laid out in the Bible. church in a home Rom_16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ. 1Co_16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. Col_4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house. Phm_1:2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house: That may have been out of necessity rather than something that was needed to be done for a church gathering. When Christianity first started, all they had were each other's homes to meet in. Some needed the privacy because they weren't well liked so it was prudent to not worship in a public setting. No where does it say that it is a requirement that they meet in homes. |
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Post by snow on Jul 26, 2014 10:35:42 GMT -5
I think the point is this Nathan. Although they did meet in their homes, it does not say that they 'had to' meet in homes to be doing it right.
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Post by snow on Jul 26, 2014 20:01:47 GMT -5
I think the point is this Nathan. Although they did meet in their homes, it does not say that they 'had to' meet in homes to be doing it right. From 1509 to 1564, there lived another of the greatest of the reformers. This was John Calvin, a Frenchman, but seeming at the time to be living in Switzerland. He was really a mighty man. He was a contemporary of Martin Luther for 30 years, and was 22 years old when Zwingli died. Calvin is the accredited founder of the Presbyterian church. Some of the historians, however, give that credit to Zwingli, but the strongest evidence seems to favor Calvin. Unquestionably the work of Zwingli, as well as that of Luther, made much easier the work of Calvin. So in 1541, just eleven years (that seems to be the year), after the founding by Luther of the Lutheran Church, the Presbyterian Church came into existence. It too, as in the case of the Lutherans, was led by a reformed Catholic priest or at least official. These six — Wycliffe, Huss, Savonarola, Zwingli, Luther and Calvin, great leaders in their great battles for reformation, struck Catholicism a staggering blow. In 1560, nineteen years after Calvin's first organization in Geneva, Switzerland, John Knox, a disciple of Calvin, established the first Presbyterian Church in Scotland, and just thirty-two years later, 1592, the Presbyterian became the State Church of Scotland. The departure of the Swiss Waldenses/Vaudois in 1532 A.D.In 1532 Swiss Protestants began sending emissaries among the Waldensian in an effort to absorb them into the Reformation and give themselves as historical foundation in the earlier revival movements. At a Colloquium held at Chanforan many Waldensian preachers were OPPOSED to renouncing their ideals of Celibacy, Itinerant and Poverty, also their teaching concerning the necessity of good works to accompany faith. Two Barbe's (preachers), Daniel de Valence and Jean de Molines, withdrew to consult with Czech brethren of similar persuasion at Malta Boleslav.A second colloquium was held with the Swiss Calvinists at Prali in 1533 at which a report of the two emissaries to Bohemia was considered. When the Protestants delegates succeeded in CONVINCING a MAJORITY to join them, Daniel de Valence and Jean de Molines withdrew. Matej Cervenka, a Bohemian coreligionist, met John Calvin in Strasbourg during the summer of 1540 and left a brief account of his interview. In 1555 the first Calvinist TEMPLE was erected in the Waldensian territory, marking the abandonment of their earlier beliefs. Their itinerant ministry came to an end with the death of the last barben (preacher), Gilles des Gilles. By 1560s most of the Waldensian had abandoned their earlier positions and had ACCEPTED reorganization along Calvinists lines, in part for political reasons. Contact with reformers in Germany and Switzerland, in 1520, demonstrated that they had similar ideals. The Italian Waldensian decided to join the Reform Church and declared themselves Protestants. They built their first Protestant church structure in 1555. (Prior to that date the Catholic-dominated governments outlawed them from building churches and destroyed any churches they did build. The Waldensian had usually worshiped secretly in homes or even caves.) The Calvinists also claimed that the Cathars and Waldensian were their precursors, in order to identify themselves with the earlier idealistic and ideological movements. waldensianpresbyterian.org/Another link to read www.chiesavaldese.org/eng/pages/beliefs/waldensians.php
John Calvin became one of the Co-the founders of the Presbyterian church.www.johncalvinpresbyterian.org/If they were anything like the Cathars they probably met in homes not because of Jesus teachings but out of regard for their safety. The gnostic groups also met in their homes. Again, probably because of regard for their safety. Anyone who was not Catholic was a target in those times. So again, I don't think it was a teaching of Jesus but a safety issue. James, Jesus' brother followed his brother and he was a temple priest and that's actually where he died or as some writers state, was murdered. So I really don't think it's accurate to say that it is a requirement for how to worship. |
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Post by snow on Jul 26, 2014 20:45:57 GMT -5
Nathan, obviously we are interpreting things differently. My take on it was they did meet in homes at that time, not because it was ordered of them, but because it was what they had so they used it. Also it was likely a safety issue too. We know the Catholics didn't do that and they claim to be the first Christians. I haven't read anywhere that is actually says that they 'must' meet in homes. That is a very important difference. If there are several hundred it makes more sense if they gather together in a larger building, somewhat like you do at conventions.
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