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Post by guitar on Oct 25, 2012 20:01:26 GMT -5
Has anybody seen there is a church called the 2x2's?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 21:15:16 GMT -5
sounds like something you could build from the lumber department at Home Depot.
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Post by guitar on Oct 25, 2012 23:26:57 GMT -5
There is a real 2x2 church
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Post by kiwi on Oct 25, 2012 23:31:45 GMT -5
There is a real 2x2 church Pray tell where would that be? |
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Post by guitar on Oct 25, 2012 23:35:08 GMT -5
I'll get u the link tomorrow.
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Post by guitar on Oct 26, 2012 11:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by emy on Oct 26, 2012 11:47:08 GMT -5
An interesting segment from the site (I haven't quite figured out what the site is about.): Religion — at least the way it has been understood up until now — is facing a modern challenge. It has little to do with numbers. Numbers are just evidence of a major societal change.
It has to do with the way we are wired. Young minds — Generation Y and the Millenials — have known only an interconnected world. These connections were not organized for them by their parents or tradition. They were formed by each individual opting in or out friendships, groups, and causes at will. More than that, these generations have been taught to use modern tools to initiate actions to address their sense of justice and righteousness.
The thought of joining a church, building trust, identifying a need, communicating the need, and then rallying volunteers and support to address the need is foreign to modern thinking. This is good! The old way is archaic and inefficient by modern capabilities.
Those of us still hanging on to the past may still value a well-run organization. We look for leaders who can work together to define goals and connect with people and resources to achieve goals. Our measure of successful participation is how well members obey and contribute.
Our children don’t care about “organizations.” They are not just avoiding organized religion. They are not joining Leagues and Service Clubs either. This is not a lack of empathy. They realize they don’t need to sign on as foot soldiers in a cause defined by someone else. They can create their own networks and contribute their passion their own way.
Independence from structure is just beginning to hit the Church, where structure is worshiped at the right hand of God. If the Church thinks we are going to come up with innovative programs to attract younger generations back into the pew to contribute to church community the way their parents or grandparents did, we are chasing a dream. An expensive, doomed to fail, dream.
The Church must redefine many of its core structures. This includes expectations of members. ... |
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 26, 2012 12:00:01 GMT -5
An interesting segment from the site (I haven't quite figured out what the site is about.): Religion — at least the way it has been understood up until now — is facing a modern challenge. It has little to do with numbers. Numbers are just evidence of a major societal change.
It has to do with the way we are wired. Young minds — Generation Y and the Millenials — have known only an interconnected world. These connections were not organized for them by their parents or tradition. They were formed by each individual opting in or out friendships, groups, and causes at will. More than that, these generations have been taught to use modern tools to initiate actions to address their sense of justice and righteousness.
The thought of joining a church, building trust, identifying a need, communicating the need, and then rallying volunteers and support to address the need is foreign to modern thinking. This is good! The old way is archaic and inefficient by modern capabilities.
Those of us still hanging on to the past may still value a well-run organization. We look for leaders who can work together to define goals and connect with people and resources to achieve goals. Our measure of successful participation is how well members obey and contribute.
Our children don’t care about “organizations.” They are not just avoiding organized religion. They are not joining Leagues and Service Clubs either. This is not a lack of empathy. They realize they don’t need to sign on as foot soldiers in a cause defined by someone else. They can create their own networks and contribute their passion their own way.
Independence from structure is just beginning to hit the Church, where structure is worshiped at the right hand of God. If the Church thinks we are going to come up with innovative programs to attract younger generations back into the pew to contribute to church community the way their parents or grandparents did, we are chasing a dream. An expensive, doomed to fail, dream.
The Church must redefine many of its core structures. This includes expectations of members. ... Emy The real Jesus still attracks crowds and holds the attention of those who seek Him ken |
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Post by guitar on Oct 26, 2012 12:44:37 GMT -5
Looks like we need a new name. Maybe 1+1x1+1's
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Post by Mary on Oct 26, 2012 13:41:08 GMT -5
The workers meetings are the most organized, structured church I know with no room for the spirit to move which according to the link is a reason they do not have anyone from the outside saved. Maybe the meetings could be less structured so God could start moving in their midst and see people get saved.
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Post by guitar on Oct 26, 2012 14:02:08 GMT -5
So you think they could get people saved?
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Post by JO on Oct 26, 2012 14:09:20 GMT -5
I can relate to the following from the website: The Church can so easily become a club. If you are “in,” you work hard to stay “in.” If you venture to raise issues, you risk informal (or even formal) censure and you may never feel like a part of your church again.
Is it any wonder that people are not breaking down the door to get “in”?2x2virtualchurch.com/ |
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Post by Mary on Oct 26, 2012 14:43:01 GMT -5
So you think they could get people saved? No, maybe God could start saving people who attend Gospel meetings. But then they have to get people to attend first but when it is dead from the outside then there is not going to be any life inside which is exactly what has happened. I don't think they are really interested in any one getting saved but are content in their little cocoon. |
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Post by guitar on Oct 26, 2012 14:46:26 GMT -5
I feel saved. I also feel if people could taste what I have they'd all want it.
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Post by Mary on Oct 26, 2012 15:02:32 GMT -5
Now you're using a ts revert back style in your posting.
We have all been there, done that.
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Post by guitar on Oct 26, 2012 15:03:49 GMT -5
Maybe I am TS illegitimat child from his days in the work.
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Post by Grant on Oct 26, 2012 15:06:22 GMT -5
I feel saved. I also feel if people could taste what I have they'd all want it. Like a dog returning to his vomit. Another verse for your list. Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. |
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Post by guitar on Oct 26, 2012 15:09:41 GMT -5
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire
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Post by Grant on Oct 26, 2012 15:27:41 GMT -5
So you are not judging me are you. Careful or you will be condemned by your own words.
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Post by guitar on Oct 26, 2012 16:34:33 GMT -5
those are the bible words not mine.
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Post by emy on Oct 26, 2012 18:49:21 GMT -5
I feel saved. I also feel if people could taste what I have they'd all want it. ditto |
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Post by sharonw on Oct 26, 2012 19:20:01 GMT -5
Maybe I am TS illegitimat child from his days in the work.  |
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Post by Grant on Oct 26, 2012 19:34:49 GMT -5
I feel saved. I also feel if people could taste what I have they'd all want it. ditto Been there tasted it, and the taste was not nice. That's why so many on this board left. |
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Post by guitar on Oct 26, 2012 19:38:01 GMT -5
U must have been tasting sump thin different.
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Post by emy on Oct 26, 2012 20:17:05 GMT -5
U must have been tasting sump thin different.  agree |
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Post by Grant on Oct 26, 2012 21:23:02 GMT -5
So do most on this board then. You are in a minority as most have tasted and left.
You don't know what you are missing.
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Post by emy on Oct 26, 2012 21:25:48 GMT -5
So do most on this board then. You are in a minority as most have tasted and left. You don't know what you are missing. Definitely a minority on this board. But not in the fellowship. |
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Post by Grant on Oct 26, 2012 21:35:02 GMT -5
So do most on this board then. You are in a minority as most have tasted and left. You don't know what you are missing. Definitely a minority on this board. But not in the fellowship. Yes, in the fellowship too. More are leaving than are joining each year. |
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agree