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Post by snow on Sept 16, 2012 11:26:07 GMT -5
We had a man at church this morning who was on death bed having had a big part of his stomach removed due to cancer. In 1999 he was at a conference and was prayed for. He didn't ask for prayer, just someone stopped the conference and started to pray for him. By the end of the prayer his stomach was restored back to full size. Believe it if you like but he is a man in this country. Here is his webpage. www.turningpointministries.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=28He prayed for some people at our church today and a man who has had polio since he was young who I know quite well, was prayed for and his hands immediately opened and he is rejoicing. His hands were all twisted up before then. Was his polio healed, I don't think so but his crippled up hands were. There are definitely things that we do not understand. I, personally, believe it is the power of our minds. If a placebo can cure, there is only one answer to what created the cure. Our belief that we were cured. When we really look at that, it is an enormously powerful concept. We humans just don't believe we can cure ourselves. But there is lots of documentation where placebos work. Interesting. I can see that there would be some healings at these revivalist tents if the person was completely believing they would be cured. Sometimes though, the effect wears off after awhile. There are also many documented cases of that too. Do we quit believing and revert back, or is the mind only able to hold the effect for a period of time? Who knows, but it would be an interesting study I think.
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Post by Happy Feet on Sept 16, 2012 22:26:33 GMT -5
We had a man at church this morning who was on death bed having had a big part of his stomach removed due to cancer. In 1999 he was at a conference and was prayed for. He didn't ask for prayer, just someone stopped the conference and started to pray for him. By the end of the prayer his stomach was restored back to full size. Believe it if you like but he is a man in this country. Here is his webpage. www.turningpointministries.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=28He prayed for some people at our church today and a man who has had polio since he was young who I know quite well, was prayed for and his hands immediately opened and he is rejoicing. His hands were all twisted up before then. Was his polio healed, I don't think so but his crippled up hands were. There are definitely things that we do not understand. I, personally, believe it is the power of our minds. If a placebo can cure, there is only one answer to what created the cure. Our belief that we were cured. When we really look at that, it is an enormously powerful concept. We humans just don't believe we can cure ourselves. But there is lots of documentation where placebos work. Interesting. I can see that there would be some healings at these revivalist tents if the person was completely believing they would be cured. Sometimes though, the effect wears off after awhile. There are also many documented cases of that too. Do we quit believing and revert back, or is the mind only able to hold the effect for a period of time? Who knows, but it would be an interesting study I think. He has X-Rays to show that his stomach is complete, after having most of it remvoed due to cancer. Can he use his mind to make his stomach to grow?
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Post by snow on Sept 17, 2012 10:12:31 GMT -5
There are definitely things that we do not understand. I, personally, believe it is the power of our minds. If a placebo can cure, there is only one answer to what created the cure. Our belief that we were cured. When we really look at that, it is an enormously powerful concept. We humans just don't believe we can cure ourselves. But there is lots of documentation where placebos work. Interesting. I can see that there would be some healings at these revivalist tents if the person was completely believing they would be cured. Sometimes though, the effect wears off after awhile. There are also many documented cases of that too. Do we quit believing and revert back, or is the mind only able to hold the effect for a period of time? Who knows, but it would be an interesting study I think. He has X-Rays to show that his stomach is complete, after having most of it remvoed due to cancer. Can he use his mind to make his stomach to grow? Do you know that he can't? How do you think it happened, if it did really happen?
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Post by eterrellte on Sept 17, 2012 11:18:01 GMT -5
I would like to reply to the person who commented on why he did not 'heal ' his son Randall or even attempt it.All of the people he has prayed for in the past were toss ups so as to say.You pray for them then you and your caravan move on so no one knows for sure if you healed them or not.If he attempted this with his son,there would be no going back.He would have to perform and 'do' what he claimed .That being to actually heal him.He knew better than to pull something that would show him up like that.His former church leader told me that they did not have to have the power to heal anyone to have a miracle performed in the services.He( bro.barron) said all you need is two people to agree and have faith.That the Bible said if any two agree on any one thing on earth,it shall be done in heaven.That being said,he said the person before you usually has the faith that is why they come up there to be healed in the first place.All you need from there is one person in the audience.Wether it be a child or an 80 year old granny.Just one more person.He said that is why they always say "everybody raise your hands this way and pray with me "He said there is always at least two and of course a lot more but at least you get your two. I can remember times when people died he would say "take my handkerchief and put it in the casket with them and tell them i said they can come back if they want to"Of course the church would be packed out with whisperings of "ooh,man of God is gonna let so and so come back from the dead!"Of course they never came back but his comeback to that was "they didn't want to come back"How could he tout GREAT HEALING EVANGELIST and his prayers for his son fail?It was smart of him to never touch that.
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Post by eterrellite on Sept 17, 2012 11:35:37 GMT -5
Overall,Donnas book to me leaves a little space for the thought that David terrell might be innocently misguided .She saw him through one set of eyes and the congregation saw him through another,his mistress and their families another,and his workers yet another.Because of the things i have heard come from his mouth and the things i have seen him do ,i do not give any space to him believing his own hype.I do believe it was a con from day one.Yes i think he was totally caught up in it but i think he never lost sight of the fact that it was all a money making act.As far as the fasting, i think it was a nessacary evil that he had to to do .Since he started it,he had to keep it up.It did help make him a millionaire.One thing about that that most don't know is ,he binges on 'fast'.He will eat a full course meal and then gag hisself a little later and still think he is fasting.He does that all the time now because he likes being skinny.He also would drink chicken brothh or eat a salad with barely anything other than lettuce but still,he should have told the people and afforded them this "luxury" if they so chose.Instead you had grown ups and children as well laying around starving to death thinking they were doing what God wanted them to do.Their were days i was so hungry i couldn't even sit up.Me and my siblings just laid in the back of the tent on the wooden chairs so weak and so hungry from those dang 7 day fast.To me,David was and is a heartless man.
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Post by eterrellite on Sept 17, 2012 11:48:42 GMT -5
Donna is a very beautiful person.Her mom equally as beautiful as far as i am concerned.Loved reading it as i wondered how they saw him.There were people who knew who they were.I knew.So i know there were probably others.I heard her Uncle Ron telling it to someone that it was all he could do not to hate David because of how he was treating his sister.That they keep hoping he (David) would go ahead and make an honest woman out of her ( i am assuming he meant to marry her).He said those were Davids kids.Heck,they looked just like his other kids.I guess the bottom line for all of us ex-terrellites is,"if it sounds to good or too far fetched to be true....it probably isn't".It would be real funny if one day we found out that just like the book "One flew over the koo koos nest", he (David) was infact the craziest of all.......a paranoid sczephrenic with delusions of grandeur and it all could have been controlled with a simple pill.One in the morning and one at night before bed.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Sept 17, 2012 17:46:49 GMT -5
thanks for writing, eterrellite! I've enjoyed reading over your posts.
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Post by Happy Feet on Sept 18, 2012 5:12:23 GMT -5
Hi eterrellite
How did you find us? Did you do a search on the internet or are you in some way connected to the 2x2s?
Good to have your input on this board and on this topic.
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Post by eterrellite on Sept 19, 2012 11:47:38 GMT -5
Just trolling the internet looking at boards concernung terrell ( i deliberately refuse to capitalize his name.He demanded such respect from him that now i will refuse to do it in everyway i can.tis a small and petty thing on my part but it kinda helps me.I know Donna seems to have escaped unscathed by his terrorizing persona but obviously,i haven't).I always wanted to know if they ( Donna) felt any source of comfort being as they were around the source of the "judgement" meaning;he prophesied the judgements but always said God was going to devinely take care of him.You know,kinda like finding comfort in the fact that if he was around or being as that God liked david,he would like and protect them as well.We,the congregation or shall i say i,felt hopelessly lost and alone untill we were once again in his prescence.Or rather the next camp meeting.I was scared to be there and even scarder when he left.I said her book was white washed but maybe she really didnot know a lot of the things he said and did.She was not in a lot of the meetings in the mid 70s and on.I know who she is and i didnot see her.We all knew each other and we knew who the outsiders were when they dropped in on a service.Remember she is telling her life from a "privilaged"point of view.You may say that she went through hell( and she did ) but our ( the followers) lives were even harder.We never hardly saw him smile and when he did ,we were so happy .Whispers would spread swiftly around the church"the prophet is happy"
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Post by eterrellite on Sept 19, 2012 13:42:08 GMT -5
It still amazes me that no matter what david does,there are those die hard followers who grumble yet stay.Maybe because they are scared that the judgement might really be reall and get them and i have heard some say "where will i go " or "i have no where to go.My life has been wrapped around this and i don't know what else to do "I try to tell them that anything would be better than this pseudo life of a terrellite.
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Post by Happy Feet on Sept 20, 2012 4:29:46 GMT -5
Have you read the Truth Message Board which is the main reason for this board? Go to the top of this page and press home, then Truth Message Board. These are discussions about the church that most of us grew up in and some on the board still go, so we can relate to your experiences as the church we grew up in is similar in some ways. Most of us never knew anything else, we were born and raised in the church for 3 - 4 generations of members and like some in Terrell's' fellowship stay because they do not know where to go. They do not realise there is life outside the group.
I there a message board for ex Terrell's like we have this message board for exes from the church we grew up in. There is ex JWs and ex Mormons etc so you may need to set up a board for ex Terrell's if there is not one.
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Post by What Hat on Sept 20, 2012 20:41:37 GMT -5
Have you read the Truth Message Board which is the main reason for this board? Go to the top of this page and press home, then Truth Message Board. These are discussions about the church that most of us grew up in and some on the board still go, so we can relate to your experiences as the church we grew up in is similar in some ways. Most of us never knew anything else, we were born and raised in the church for 3 - 4 generations of members and like some in Terrell's' fellowship stay because they do not know where to go. They do not realise there is life outside the group. I there a message board for ex Terrell's like we have this message board for exes from the church we grew up in. There is ex JWs and ex Mormons etc so you may need to set up a board for ex Terrell's if there is not one. I'm not sure we want to get into this discussion but the friends, for whatever problems they do have, are just not in the same league as David Terrell.
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Post by What Hat on Sept 20, 2012 20:47:54 GMT -5
Just trolling the internet looking at boards concernung terrell ( i deliberately refuse to capitalize his name.He demanded such respect from him that now i will refuse to do it in everyway i can.tis a small and petty thing on my part but it kinda helps me.I know Donna seems to have escaped unscathed by his terrorizing persona but obviously,i haven't).I always wanted to know if they ( Donna) felt any source of comfort being as they were around the source of the "judgement" meaning;he prophesied the judgements but always said God was going to devinely take care of him.You know,kinda like finding comfort in the fact that if he was around or being as that God liked david,he would like and protect them as well.We,the congregation or shall i say i,felt hopelessly lost and alone untill we were once again in his prescence.Or rather the next camp meeting.I was scared to be there and even scarder when he left.I said her book was white washed but maybe she really didnot know a lot of the things he said and did.She was not in a lot of the meetings in the mid 70s and on.I know who she is and i didnot see her.We all knew each other and we knew who the outsiders were when they dropped in on a service.Remember she is telling her life from a "privilaged"point of view.You may say that she went through hell( and she did ) but our ( the followers) lives were even harder.We never hardly saw him smile and when he did ,we were so happy .Whispers would spread swiftly around the church"the prophet is happy" I stand corrected but Donna Johnson's involvement with Terrell as a religious force ended long before he set up in Bangs. Even though she and her mother lived in Bangs, it appears that by that time she was no longer involved in the religious movement, per se. Thus her story is simply incomplete; so that doesn't invalidate your witness on events that occurred after and/or outside the book, Holy Ghost Girl. Just curious if you have found that Terrell has an inner circle that help to keep him in power, keep a watch over his followers, deal with dissent, and so on. In a group such as this there are always those whose egos are so fragile that they will base their identity and self-worth on status and power within the group structure. Or perhaps not?
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Post by Happy Feet on Sept 21, 2012 4:21:48 GMT -5
Have you read the Truth Message Board which is the main reason for this board? Go to the top of this page and press home, then Truth Message Board. These are discussions about the church that most of us grew up in and some on the board still go, so we can relate to your experiences as the church we grew up in is similar in some ways. Most of us never knew anything else, we were born and raised in the church for 3 - 4 generations of members and like some in Terrell's' fellowship stay because they do not know where to go. They do not realize there is life outside the group. I there a message board for ex Terrell's like we have this message board for exes from the church we grew up in. There is ex JWs and ex Mormons etc so you may need to set up a board for ex Terrell's if there is not one. I'm not sure we want to get into this discussion but the friends, for whatever problems they do have, are just not in the same league as David Terrell. Note I said that we can relate in some ways. Not all ways. In fact I think I underestimated it, going by some people's experience in meetings that we read about. Some of the workers with their lady friends, CSA and other things and remember there were many workers not just one like Terrell to control people and make a mess of things. Many in our group did and donot realise that there is life outside the group. Most of us never knew of anything else but the groups control over our lives and the fear of leaving unlike you I guess who was not born and raised in it.
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Post by eterrellite on Sept 24, 2012 12:46:15 GMT -5
We were all told to tell on each other so we would know who was with us and who wasn't.He said when the anti christ took over,the traitors would tell where we lived and have us put to death for the name of Jesus.They were supposed to invade America from Mexico or so he prophesied to us ( i always wondered that if the anti christ,which was Russia, was coming through Mexico,why oh why did God want us right here ?!)So we told and disassociated our selves from anyone who spoke evil or doubt about the ministry or him.He said to speak bad or negatively of how he took up offerings where blaspheming and we would never have a chance to be saved.He would always ask or rather demand our last dimes and pennies.As he put it," if you leave out of here with even one penney in your pocket,God will kill you or the closest thing to your heart.look at the baby next to you !!! you better not disobey God ! Run !!! Run!! RUN UP HERE NOW AND LAY YOUR MONEY AT MY FEET AND BY DOING SO YOU WISH ME GODS SPEED" we would actually run crying and screaming throwing our monies all over the platform where he stood begging God out loud to spare us.His platform of preachers and pastors who had their churches following him were "mini mes"Meaning they kept the fear going as they benefited from his terroristic reign.Remember that an old slave is the best slave if you want to run a plantation.He is already whipped into shape.He knows what master expects and by golly he doesn't want to disapoint him as he is scared to death of the wrath ( or rather implied rath) to come.So if you had a terrellite church,all you had to do was say Bro.Terrell said and the people would obey no questions ever asked.They were beat down and already knew they better not hold back any money so that is what they did,give all....again....and again........and again.The motliest group of poor innocent followers you ever did see.And David never had mercy.Not even on the children he destined to go hungry by demanding all of their parents monies all in the name of Jesus.Go figure.I have decided he has absolutely no conscious.I hope one day he looses all of his ( our) monies and lives a long long time and dies poor.Dirt dirt poor.A long life poor as he has made us....
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Post by eterrellite on Sept 24, 2012 14:02:56 GMT -5
As far as Donnas book being incomplete,for a fact it is.There was supreme disapointment when it was read down here.For some reason i thought she would blow the top off of it but she humbly "belly crawled" through.She did not touch upon so many things.Maybe she really didn't know but to me,she was trying to stay friends with them even though she wrote the book.David and his co horts were irrated to say the least but took a wait and see approach.Then david decided to do what he always does when something surfaces that is controvercial invovling him,he said absolutely nothing . As i have said before,we didnot see her or her siblings a lot back then and when they did surface,they were dressed so differsnt from us ( neat and in style) on the back row over on the side with their mom or whomever that they were with.They were very noticable and definately stood out as the upper crust.But maybe,once again,she did not know.Their were other women and their are other kids.One story that makes me feel her Mom sheltered them from some of the hurtful things she had to endure was the confrontation of sorts her Mom had when she went around back of the church to ask about that other lady that he (david)kept exalting.They had a fist fight.Her Mom and that lady ( i will leave her nameless since Donna did) had a rolling on the pastors study floor fist fight over david.And where was david ?? I went to his private office and told him what was happening and he said "i'm not coming out there" and shut his door back very slowly and quietly in my face...........
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Post by eterrelite on Sept 24, 2012 14:06:28 GMT -5
good gosh i must still be slow !!! i just figured out why they weren't allowed to actually be around us ( the other tent kids).Because they couldn't afford to have them tell us or say " Uncle david sleeps on our couch "!
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Post by snow on Sept 24, 2012 15:53:05 GMT -5
good gosh i must still be slow !!! i just figured out why they weren't allowed to actually be around us ( the other tent kids).Because they couldn't afford to have them tell us or say " Uncle david sleeps on our couch "! I'm sure there were a lot of things kept hidden. When you only tell certain people in your following certain things, it makes it easy to hide quite a bit.
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