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Post by rational on May 29, 2012 22:23:23 GMT -5
Are not Clergy required by law to report all reports and allegations of CSA? At least "real" clergy are. Depends where they are. In the US I believe this is the case for all 50 states. There could well be countries where this is not the case. |
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Post by magpie on Dec 10, 2014 21:42:36 GMT -5
It was in the meetings our fears started-what happens,please mum and dad protect us.No the cuppa was so important. Please dont you realise what is happening.And at conventions and other get togethers,scared stiff.
Now who is responsable?? Paul said to Timothy,"Workers should be given their pay".Do not listen to an accusation against an Elder (or whoever fits?)unless it is brought by two or more witnesses (witness of two-law,tradition,and religious of the Middle East). Rebuke publically "all" who commit sin,so that the rest may be afraid. In the presence of God and Christ Jesus and of the Holy Angels,I solemnly call upon you to obey these instructions without showing any prejudice or favour to "anyone" in anything you do.. Be in no "hurry" to lay hands on people to dedicate them to the Lords service.Take no part in the sins of others;keep "yourself" pure.
Yet one attended Speed convention,workers/Bishop knowing charges,victims,it shows, they couldnt give a tinkers cuss.
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Post by madison2022 on Sept 17, 2015 21:16:33 GMT -5
Unfortunately, another CSI case.  "As a child I was sexual abused for many years by a church member (also a relative). My family hid this as they didn’t want upheaval in the church. I was told in around about way that it was the lesser of two evils for me to be a sacrifice for the family and the church. It was more important that his family not leave the church...In my early teens the worker of my area, (also a head worker in the province) was told...He talked to the person alone and asked him to destroy evidence. The elders were told but were asked to keep it secret. He said, Hey sorry about that, hope we can still be friends. This man continued to attend church and speak. He was still allowed around children without supervision and no authorities were informed... In my early twenties I decided to make a statement and have him charged because I felt he was harming his children and felt by not doing anything I was no better than the others who had done nothing. Eventually he pleaded guilty to numerous sexual abuse charges and given a year house arrest. That day in court, he pleaded guilty and sat in the front row with his wife, parents and other members of the church. I sat with my father and a court official.
Do you know how that feels? To be alone again? Since I was a child I had issues with my immediate family for letting this happen to me, so I was already an the outsider as far as they were concerned. However, the final straw was when I reported him and had him charged almost all of my family have disowned me. The friends in the area and workers have exiled me. They do not speak to me and are very rude if they happen to come upon me. He is still a member and attends all church gatherings. No worker has spoken to the area about this issue so it has been left to rumours. They have been told by the perpetrator and his wife he plead guilty to it because he was tired of it and didn’t want to drag the whole family through anything else. He claimed as well that I got money out of it…even though it was criminal not civil case. I didn’t receive a penny! I would like to know why I am the problem?"dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/from-comm2post-commentary-and-editing-by-di-of-onthepaths-comments-on-the-2x2-religion/Unfortunately this is my story. Thank you to Irvine for telling my story. Hopefully something is learned by this. I just happened across this forum and was so amazed at your kind and supportive responses to my story. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for standing up for me! |
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Post by hberry on Sept 17, 2015 21:21:09 GMT -5
Madison, I hope you've found a group of loving folks to walk beside you in your journey. Breaks my heart to think of this.
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Post by madison2022 on Sept 17, 2015 23:13:31 GMT -5
I am still searching for some kind of insight. I am struggling with PTSD and that is my main focus at the moment. Again thank you to everyone who responded. Feels good to feel like someone understands you. I am grateful I happened across this website and forum.
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Post by snow on Sept 18, 2015 11:34:20 GMT -5
I am still searching for some kind of insight. I am struggling with PTSD and that is my main focus at the moment. Again thank you to everyone who responded. Feels good to feel like someone understands you. I am grateful I happened across this website and forum. Welcome madison2022. Big hugs and I hope you have a supportive and loving group now to help you heal. You will find a mixed bag on here but for the most part remember you do have lots of people that support you even from a distance and anonymously; that being only what some of us can do. All the best to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 17:01:54 GMT -5
CSA- I will NEVER understand WHY and I am sure I am not the only one. As a child most of us were told that God protects children as an adult I know that is not all way's true and it SHOULD ALL WAY'S BE TRUE!!!! If I had to describe it, it feels as if I have been on a beautiful hike,there was peace and tranquility all around. I stood and admired the beauty and then all of a sudden someone pushed me off a cliff.Our body is the temple of God and how can He allow some one to come and devile it.NO child deserves this.
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Post by rational on Feb 6, 2016 13:06:44 GMT -5
CSA- I will NEVER understand WHY and I am sure I am not the only one. As a child most of us were told that God protects children as an adult I know that is not all way's true and it SHOULD ALL WAY'S BE TRUE!!!! If I had to describe it, it feels as if I have been on a beautiful hike,there was peace and tranquility all around. I stood and admired the beauty and then all of a sudden someone pushed me off a cliff.Our body is the temple of God and how can He allow some one to come and devile it.NO child deserves this. This sounds like a question you should discuss with your god. From what has been posted here and on other sites god is not all that interested in preventing the abuse of children or stopping criminals from abusing children. The best alternative seems to be for people to take action and report the crimes, and suspected crimes, to the authorities that and charged with dealing with such criminal behavior. Dealing with abuse on a spiritual level, forgiveness, repentance, apologies, promises to reform, shifting offenders to a new location with promises to change, praying about the situation, etc. all seems to have no effect. Continuing to employ the same methodology when it has not been shown to be effective just puts more children at risk. Why does god allow this kind or behavior? The pat answer is similar to the verses found in Isaiah: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." As someone in another thread said: Stop questioning - God never promised you a rose garden. Seems harsh to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 16:13:03 GMT -5
CSA- I will NEVER understand WHY and I am sure I am not the only one. As a child most of us were told that God protects children as an adult I know that is not all way's true and it SHOULD ALL WAY'S BE TRUE!!!! If I had to describe it, it feels as if I have been on a beautiful hike,there was peace and tranquility all around. I stood and admired the beauty and then all of a sudden someone pushed me off a cliff.Our body is the temple of God and how can He allow some one to come and devile it.NO child deserves this. This sounds like a question you should discuss with your god. From what has been posted here and on other sites god is not all that interested in preventing the abuse of children or stopping criminals from abusing children. The best alternative seems to be for people to take action and report the crimes, and suspected crimes, to the authorities that and charged with dealing with such criminal behavior. Dealing with abuse on a spiritual level, forgiveness, repentance, apologies, promises to reform, shifting offenders to a new location with promises to change, praying about the situation, etc. all seems to have no effect. Continuing to employ the same methodology when it has not been shown to be effective just puts more children at risk. Why does god allow this kind or behavior? The pat answer is similar to the verses found in Isaiah: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." As someone in another thread said: Stop questioning - God never promised you a rose garden. Seems harsh to me. Yes that is harsh,especial when it involves the innocent,mentally/physically handicapped,babies and children. It is something that I will never understand in this life time and I will never have peace with. |
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