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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 15:43:13 GMT -5
How many convention grounds are used for businesses during the rest of the year? I think Shelter Valley CA will be used for a RV park.
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Post by ts on May 11, 2012 15:48:04 GMT -5
How many are working farms that are big enough to utilize the entire sleeping, meeting and eating facilities?
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Post by Greg on May 11, 2012 16:09:02 GMT -5
How many cookies in a baker's dozen?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 16:15:45 GMT -5
Santee was a working water well that supported the family. "Best swallow in town."
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Post by emy on May 11, 2012 16:37:15 GMT -5
How many convention grounds are used for businesses during the rest of the year? I think Shelter Valley CA will be used for a RV park. I know of two. Is every building used? No, but there is an active business using some of the buildings. In fact, in one of the two cases there are two year-round businesses operating there.
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Post by ts on May 11, 2012 17:00:15 GMT -5
How many convention grounds are used for businesses during the rest of the year? I think Shelter Valley CA will be used for a RV park. I know of two. Is every building used? No, but there is an active business using some of the buildings. In fact, in one of the two cases there are two year-round businesses operating there. That's an honest response. To be sure, I really don't mind if the convention grounds have dedicated buildings for church use. What I mind is that the friends and workers say that it is right for them and wrong for others. Some churches use their buildings for more than holding church services. Some have gymnasiums and facilities to keep the young folks entertained and occupied in a wholesome environment. Some even take disadvantaged kids off the street and give them an opportunity to hear about Jesus. I just don't see how the meeting folk can think that these ministry efforts in these buildings are "sincere but sincerely wrong". I guess I do see how they can think it, because a few years ago I would have been siding with emy and Linford and Nathan in their views. Now some of the things I used to preach and hold to make no sense. I haven't forgotten what we all believed, though.
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Post by lazarus66 on May 11, 2012 18:24:34 GMT -5
Malcom convention in Iowa is a farm, year round and even have crops in during convention..
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Post by kencoolidge on May 11, 2012 18:29:16 GMT -5
Malcom convention in Iowa is a farm, year round and even have crops in during convention.. Apopka was at one time a strawberry farm with roadside sales.Joke was quarters were for migrant workers ken
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Post by lazarus66 on May 11, 2012 18:39:24 GMT -5
They raised pigs in Malcom too, but I don't think any of them professed.
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Post by ts on May 11, 2012 20:11:59 GMT -5
so, out of 100 or so conventions in the USA, how many are actually working farms that use all the "multi use" buildings?
How many of the buildings are built especially for the church to use?
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Post by Greg on May 12, 2012 8:15:26 GMT -5
so, out of 100 or so conventions in the USA, how many are actually working farms that use all the "multi use" buildings? How many of the buildings are built especially for the church to use? What would the answer to either questiom matter?
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on May 12, 2012 8:22:04 GMT -5
so, out of 100 or so conventions in the USA, how many are actually working farms that use all the "multi use" buildings? How many of the buildings are built especially for the church to use? What would the answer to either questiom matter? Do you think that really matters to ts? I say clean up your own yard before you try cleaning someone elses.
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Post by kencoolidge on May 12, 2012 12:18:34 GMT -5
What would the answer to either questiom matter? Do you think that really matters to ts? I say clean up your own yard before you try cleaning someone elses. Are we talkiing about pigs or yards. I was once told never argue with pigs! You both get dirty and the pig likes it. Probably true
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2012 13:16:29 GMT -5
Mcmaine's Riverhaven Farm (Salvisa KY convention) has a website.
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Post by ts on May 12, 2012 14:55:31 GMT -5
What would the answer to either questiom matter? Do you think that really matters to ts? I say clean up your own yard before you try cleaning someone elses. What are you referring to, Linford? You keep saying things like this. Tell us what I need to clean up? Meanwhile, it does matter because the friends and workers are convinced that they are somehow following scripture because they don't have church buildings and that other churches are wrong for having buildings. That is a false. This falseness further separates the friends and workers from the rest of the body of Christ. Perhaps if the friends and workers would begin acknowledging that the buildings they have and the ones that the other churches have are really no different, they would begin to see other things that would bring them into fellowship with one another. Isn't that a good thing? Why do you think that is so bad to urge God's people to dwell as one? You sing about it in meeting.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on May 12, 2012 14:57:51 GMT -5
Do you think that really matters to ts? I say clean up your own yard before you try cleaning someone elses. What are you referring to, Linford? You keep saying things like this. Tell us what I need to clean up? Meanwhile, it does matter because the friends and workers are convinced that they are somehow following scripture because they don't have church buildings and that other churches are wrong for having buildings. That is a false. This falseness further separates the friends and workers from the rest of the body of Christ. Perhaps if the friends and workers would begin acknowledging that the buildings they have and the ones that the other churches have are really no different, they would begin to see other things that would bring them into fellowship with one another. Isn't that a good thing? Why do you think that is so bad to urge God's people to dwell as one? You sing about it in meeting. If they are God's people,do you think He needs help?
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Post by ts on May 12, 2012 15:04:00 GMT -5
What are you referring to, Linford? You keep saying things like this. Tell us what I need to clean up? Meanwhile, it does matter because the friends and workers are convinced that they are somehow following scripture because they don't have church buildings and that other churches are wrong for having buildings. That is a false. This falseness further separates the friends and workers from the rest of the body of Christ. Perhaps if the friends and workers would begin acknowledging that the buildings they have and the ones that the other churches have are really no different, they would begin to see other things that would bring them into fellowship with one another. Isn't that a good thing? Why do you think that is so bad to urge God's people to dwell as one? You sing about it in meeting. If they are God's people,do you think He needs help? Well, you tell me. The workers and friends spent a LOT of money and effort to get the hymnbooks printed and distributed. Does that help God? Does that effort help God's people? The workers go out and preach the gospel. Is that helping God? Is that helping God's people? The workers preach sermons about unity among the friends. Is that taking over from God? Why do not the workers just go home and let God do all the work and all the preaching?
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Post by Greg on May 12, 2012 15:11:18 GMT -5
Why do not the workers just go home and let God do all the work and all the preaching? Why don't you? Your answer to that question might be the answer to your other questions.
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Post by ts on May 12, 2012 15:17:04 GMT -5
Why do not the workers just go home and let God do all the work and all the preaching? Why don't you? Your answer to that question might be the answer to your other questions. They won't because the workers are the hands and feet of God. What they are doing is for the edification of the church. Building buildings for large groups to meet together for some days is also building up the church. What I am doing is also building up the church. Imagine if the friends and workers just simply accepted that they were just like the other Christians doing their best to serve God. We all get some things right and we all get some things wrong(as a group and individually). Not having a church building is no reason for the friends and workers to feel exclusive because they also have buildings. Good for them, too.
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Post by ts on May 12, 2012 17:04:16 GMT -5
It seems the workers have no problem telling folks from other denominations that they need to consider the way their church does things, but they don't want to look at their methods and doctrines themselves.
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Post by sharonw on May 12, 2012 18:28:51 GMT -5
They raised pigs in Malcom too, but I don't think any of them professed. Chickens and turkeys have always figured in in the AR conv. and the Texarkana, Texas conv.... I remember scrubbing off the chicken doo so we could lay clean ticks with hay filling all around! AND this was in the hottest months of the year...like July and August to be ready by Labor Day.
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Post by Greg on May 12, 2012 18:33:28 GMT -5
They raised pigs in Malcom too, but I don't think any of them professed. Chickens and turkeys have always figured in in the AR conv. and the Texarkana, Texas conv.... I remember scrubbing off the chicken doo so we could lay clean ticks with hay filling all around! AND this was in the hottest months of the year...like July and August to be ready by Memorial Day. That is advanced preps! Labor Day, perhaps?
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Post by emy on May 12, 2012 21:36:25 GMT -5
Mcmaine's Riverhaven Farm (Salvisa KY convention) has a website. They even have a tab on their webpage for CSA
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Post by quizzer on May 13, 2012 0:00:35 GMT -5
Mcmaine's Riverhaven Farm (Salvisa KY convention) has a website. They even have a tab on their webpage for CSA If there is a tab for CSA, I hope it states "CSA offenders are not welcome on these grounds, especially during convention."
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Post by Greg on May 13, 2012 7:30:29 GMT -5
They even have a tab on their webpage for CSA If there is a tab for CSA, I hope it states "CSA offenders are not welcome on these grounds, especially during convention." Community Supported Agriculture www.localharvest.org/csa/
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Post by sharonw on May 13, 2012 9:54:37 GMT -5
Chickens and turkeys have always figured in in the AR conv. and the Texarkana, Texas conv.... I remember scrubbing off the chicken doo so we could lay clean ticks with hay filling all around! AND this was in the hottest months of the year...like July and August to be ready by Memorial Day. That is advanced preps! Labor Day, perhaps? Sorry for the typo... a neighbor came in and asked what was the "next holiday" that's recognized by the government...I told her Memorial Day and was typing at the same time and should have typed Labor day but sometimes it's hard to think and talk and type all at the same time...guess that proves I'm not a multi-tasker any more, eh?
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Post by lazarus66 on May 13, 2012 23:15:33 GMT -5
What I am curious about, just for an outsider's interest, is Mt. Ranch convention is just a convention that was built by an extremely rich man in northern California, and he also has a nursing home for workers that need that kind of care. I think it is great that this guy has done this, but I wonder how he "registered it" for tax purposes, and if he got breaks for it. It is really the Hilton of conventions. I was there in 2002. It has no other purpose, than to be a convention. I am just curious about how that is listed and the tax situation.................Laz
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Post by lazarus66 on May 13, 2012 23:18:21 GMT -5
Ken, I was referring to the four legged pigs there that they raise, and probably let them attend some of the meals. ( bacon, sausage, ham), and I heard it like this.
Never try to teach a pig to sing. You are wasting your time and irritating the pig...........Dale
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