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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 9:56:41 GMT -5
I'm out of touch with things but thought that John Simpson took over the overseership from Bobby Kerr?
However, if what you state regarding the joint overseership is correct, it adds a little insight into the need for change.
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Post by sgw on Mar 3, 2012 5:35:29 GMT -5
HEARD THAT A SENIOR WORKER IN SCOTLAND HAS BEEN SENT HOME BECAUSE OF SEXUAL EVENTS THAT HAPPENED DON'T KNOW IF CSA OR WHAT DON'T KNOW NAME OR IF THIS TRUE HEARD ALSO THAT A NON-SCOTISH WORKER IS BEING BROUGHT IN AS NEW OVERSEER I THINK RALPH JOSS AND BOB KERR WERE JOINT OVERSEERS UP UNTIL NOW ANYBODY THROW ANY LIGHT ON THE SITUATION This is an interesting way to spread rumour... Innuendo, suggestion, few facts and mostly speculation. There is a new overseer, a Mr Beggs from the Carribean, one time from Ireland. Ralph Joss was never overseer, and is now unfit for the work and inactive. There's no suggestion, let alone evidence that any CSA, or sexual activity was involved in sending Beggs to Scotland. Beggs is not the only one being imported to make up for a lack of men. One or two others will go too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2012 7:26:28 GMT -5
HEARD THAT A SENIOR WORKER IN SCOTLAND HAS BEEN SENT HOME BECAUSE OF SEXUAL EVENTS THAT HAPPENED DON'T KNOW IF CSA OR WHAT DON'T KNOW NAME OR IF THIS TRUE HEARD ALSO THAT A NON-SCOTISH WORKER IS BEING BROUGHT IN AS NEW OVERSEER I THINK RALPH JOSS AND BOB KERR WERE JOINT OVERSEERS UP UNTIL NOW ANYBODY THROW ANY LIGHT ON THE SITUATION This is an interesting way to spread rumour... Innuendo, suggestion, few facts and mostly speculation. There is a new overseer, a Mr Beggs from the Carribean, one time from Ireland. Ralph Joss was never overseer, and is now unfit for the work and inactive. There's no suggestion, let alone evidence that any CSA, or sexual activity was involved in sending Beggs to Scotland. Beggs is not the only one being imported to make up for a lack of men. One or two others will go too. There's no suggestion, let alone evidence that any CSA, or sexual activity was involved. To say there has been no suggestion is absolutlely false.
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Post by sgw on Mar 3, 2012 8:05:37 GMT -5
"To say there has been no suggestion is absolutlely false." Correct, Budgie suggested it. Has there been any other suggestion?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2012 10:45:39 GMT -5
"To say there has been no suggestion is absolutlely false." Correct, Budgie suggested it. Has there been any other suggestion? There have been statements from persons who know the truth!
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Post by sgw on Mar 3, 2012 11:47:20 GMT -5
Did you or budgie get this first hand? reliable witnesses? Do you know that they know the truth? if yes, then out with it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2012 12:04:20 GMT -5
Did you or budgie get this first hand? reliable witnesses? Do you know that they know the truth? if yes, then out with it! Firstly, this matter is at a very delicate stage. I do know that statements have been made by credible sources that an allegation of csa has been made against a worker who has admitted the allegation. As a result the worker has been put out of the work. This matter is very recent and will require time to resolve.
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Post by sgw on Mar 3, 2012 13:55:51 GMT -5
Budgie, Ram My comments and posts were out of order. I apologise. I made some phonecalls asked some questions and now know the situation first hand. again, apologies for posting too fats without checking the veracity first!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2012 17:31:19 GMT -5
Budgie, Ram My comments and posts were out of order. I apologise. I made some phonecalls asked some questions and now know the situation first hand. again, apologies for posting too fats without checking the veracity first! Ah, someone else who is like me? You're human! No apology needed,
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Post by sgw on Mar 25, 2012 3:41:00 GMT -5
Heard the RJ is living in Eyemouth now? Wonder if he'll get a job?
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Post by rjkee on Apr 1, 2012 3:17:37 GMT -5
Has he been excommunicated? Robert
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Post by poshirish on Apr 20, 2012 5:31:02 GMT -5
Excommunicated? That would be too good! If there's proof of any wrong-doing, why isn't the perpetrator dealt with in the correct manner - ie, through the courts? There's too much wrong-doing going on and it's swept under the carpet...how is this fair to the innocent victims? It's been going on for too many years and I'm fed up with hearing about all this cruel happenings and nothing done about it...I wish the victims/families would 'stand on their own feet' and do what's right for themselves - not what the workers advise...what experience have they of any dealings to give advice? They're always quick to judge those who aren't in the meetings/2x2's. They get away with too much...who gives them the right to advise people without the right qualifications/experience? I think there should be people who are trained in all aspects of life, ie therapists on sex, marriage, relationships, etc, etc, who are either in the meetings or brought in to have 'classes' on various subjects to give everyone knowledge of life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 6:31:00 GMT -5
Excommunicated? That would be too good! If there's proof of any wrong-doing, why isn't the perpetrator dealt with in the correct manner - ie, through the courts? There's too much wrong-doing going on and it's swept under the carpet...how is this fair to the innocent victims? It's been going on for too many years and I'm fed up with hearing about all this cruel happenings and nothing done about it...I wish the victims/families would 'stand on their own feet' and do what's right for themselves - not what the workers advise...what experience have they of any dealings to give advice? They're always quick to judge those who aren't in the meetings/2x2's. They get away with too much...who gives them the right to advise people without the right qualifications/experience? I think there should be people who are trained in all aspects of life, ie therapists on sex, marriage, relationships, etc, etc, who are either in the meetings or brought in to have 'classes' on various subjects to give everyone knowledge of life. I understand the victim (now a mature woman) does not wish to formally complain about this matter. It seems this is the best course of action for her. Whilst it may be disappointing to see a perpetrator of a despicable criminal act escaping justice, we have to focus primarily upon the victim and what is best for her, at least as things stand.
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Post by Scott Ross on Apr 20, 2012 9:35:49 GMT -5
Excommunicated? That would be too good! If there's proof of any wrong-doing, why isn't the perpetrator dealt with in the correct manner - ie, through the courts? There's too much wrong-doing going on and it's swept under the carpet...how is this fair to the innocent victims? It's been going on for too many years and I'm fed up with hearing about all this cruel happenings and nothing done about it...I wish the victims/families would 'stand on their own feet' and do what's right for themselves - not what the workers advise...what experience have they of any dealings to give advice? They're always quick to judge those who aren't in the meetings/2x2's. They get away with too much...who gives them the right to advise people without the right qualifications/experience? I think there should be people who are trained in all aspects of life, ie therapists on sex, marriage, relationships, etc, etc, who are either in the meetings or brought in to have 'classes' on various subjects to give everyone knowledge of life. I understand the victim (now a mature woman) does not wish to formally complain about this matter. It seems this is the best course of action for her. Whilst it may be disappointing to see a perpetrator of a despicable criminal act escaping justice, we have to focus primarily upon the victim and what is best for her, at least as things stand. It is always up to the victim to determine how to proceed in such matters. I have always made it clear to those who contact WINGS that whatever is done is up to them, and not someone else. That is especially true concerning old issues that where any legal action can cause them more harm than good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 10:51:09 GMT -5
Exactly Scott. Thanks. Where I would make an exception, or more appropriately, a deviation, is where there are other victims who have come forward and may have to rely on the testimony of other victims in order to support their case before the courts. In most crimes of a sexual nature there are only the victim and the perpetrator present. With historical cases it is often just the victim's word against the perpetrator's and all hope of gathering any forensic evidence which might support the victim's testimony has long gone. This is usually insufficient for a case to proceed. However, if there are other victims in similar circumstances and the nature of the offences are similar, then although the cases are different matters, the testimonies of the witnesses can be used to support those of the other witnesses in order to bring about a prosecution. This is known as Moorov's Doctrine. A victim may be tactfully approached about a situation where, without his or her testimony another case cannot proceed due to lack of evidence. In order to support and empathise with a fellow victim a victim may be willing to cross the threshhold and make their own formal complaint. When this happens, each case supports the other. However, as far as I am aware the current Scottish matter has only one potential complainer, so as things stand Moorov's Doctrine is not applicable. For those interested. www.scotlawcom.gov.uk/law-reform-projects/similar-fact-evidence-and-the-moorov-doctrine/
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Post by sgw on May 15, 2012 14:44:12 GMT -5
So no signs of those two workers at any preps or conventions so far. In fact no sign of them at all.
Alan Beggs seems to be starting some new arrangments, including sending one worker to Barbados to replace himself, bringing several from England, one from Ireland and arranging frequent interchanges between the countries of the British Isles. (eg special meetings, year long swaps, more convention movements, including having conventions staffs swap about between countries)
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Post by whistler on May 15, 2012 16:30:45 GMT -5
So no signs of those two workers at any preps or conventions so far. In fact no sign of them at all. Which two do you mean? RJ is absent - I assume you know why. BK has been at preps this year.
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Post by sgw on May 16, 2012 13:52:59 GMT -5
I didn't mean BK, there's been no suggestion of any issues with him as far as I know, other than a changed role. The other one, from the north, might have stayed in the north.
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Post by ronald on Sept 28, 2012 13:37:16 GMT -5
Conventions in Scotland
Why did the Findochty,Banffshire annual May convention close a few years ago? Was it Health and Safety Issues over the site or Food and Hygeine regulations or because of a fall in numbers. It had been held in the village since 1918 with the tent dining facilities at the east beach and meetings in the local town hall.
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Post by sgw on Oct 9, 2012 15:08:09 GMT -5
Conventions in Scotland Why did the Findochty,Banffshire annual May convention close a few years ago? Was it Health and Safety Issues over the site or Food and Hygeine regulations or because of a fall in numbers. It had been held in the village since 1918 with the tent dining facilities at the east beach and meetings in the local town hall. 1. Findochty is Moray, not in Banffshire (there's no such Shire since maybe 1980?) 2. Findochty close due to lack of numbers in the north. £ heard no suggestions of there being a health or safety issue there. Food hygiene not likely to have been an issue, at least not suggested so. (and those workers who have anything to do with the food preparation all hold food hygiene qualifications - they were sent on a course in Aberdeen about 15? years ago) 3. If it were not for the large Irish contingent, there would likely be only the 1 Gartocharn convention (West Dunbartonshire) in Scotland. (not forgetting the Scottish convention near Carlisle, that Scottish part of England where its held!)
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Post by penguin on Sept 5, 2014 11:35:54 GMT -5
Any news lately on Scottish feelings amongst members about the Referendum? It seems quite close as to which side will win according to opinion polls - and anything could happen. A lot of bluff and bluster over such things as currency health care defence pensions who will administer tax collections and government functions and border controls. Video: Salmond the morning after losing? www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Igkg2DssU
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Post by penguin on Sept 7, 2014 4:08:05 GMT -5
the London paper the Sunday Times today reports an opinion poll which puts victory for separatists in the lead, for the first time.
And says the Queen is concerned and is asking for regular updates
SCOTLAND is on course to vote for independence, according to a shock new poll that today puts Alex Salmond’s “yes” campaign in the lead for the first time.
The YouGov survey for The Sunday Times shows that the nationalists have taken a two-point lead and are poised to triumph in the referendum on September 18.
The poll puts the “yes” campaign on 51%, with the unionists on 49% — overturning a 22-point lead for the Better Together campaign in the space of a month.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 12:16:26 GMT -5
i think it would be great for scotland to finally become independent of britian...but then i've always been a rebel at heart...
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Post by bubbles on Sept 7, 2014 23:11:21 GMT -5
Excommunicated? That would be too good! If there's proof of any wrong-doing, why isn't the perpetrator dealt with in the correct manner - ie, through the courts? There's too much wrong-doing going on and it's swept under the carpet...how is this fair to the innocent victims? It's been going on for too many years and I'm fed up with hearing about all this cruel happenings and nothing done about it...I wish the victims/families would 'stand on their own feet' and do what's right for themselves - not what the workers advise...what experience have they of any dealings to give advice? They're always quick to judge those who aren't in the meetings/2x2's. They get away with too much...who gives them the right to advise people without the right qualifications/experience? I think there should be people who are trained in all aspects of life, ie therapists on sex, marriage, relationships, etc, etc, who are either in the meetings or brought in to have 'classes' on various subjects to give everyone knowledge of life. Last night an ex politican was on 60min here speaking about his life during and after his boss then speaker of the house had come on to him with very sexual remarks and behaviour. The victim was clearly very upset. The good thing is he did something about it. It took a lot of courage. Esp not knowing who he could trust. The downside he lost his job. He became suicidal. Hes now trying to build another life. I think families of victims must be afraid to do anything. To take action. Leaders are meant to be trustworthy. I feel for the victims and their families
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Post by penguin on Sept 8, 2014 10:37:04 GMT -5
i think it would be great for scotland to finally become independent of britian...but then i've always been a rebel at heart... If it were not such a serious matter with very long term consequences some parts of the debate are really funny www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmf5KRttDv8
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Post by penguin on Sept 21, 2014 3:17:40 GMT -5
So the referendum has been held; about 85% of eligible voters turned out and the motion for Scotland to separate was defeated 55 to 45%
Consequently the leader of the SNP movement, who is also First Minister of the local government Alex Salmond has fallen on his claymore, he announced his intention not to be re-elected leader at a November party conference. His life long ambition was to oversee the separation of Scotland from the United Kingdom, and the result brought clear failure to all that, and such a referendum is unlikely to be repeated in a generation or lifetime. Meanwhile the London politicians have promised further powers be given to Scotland but want to reserve extra powers for the English people, although some of the political parties disagree on this. Therefore whether a long lasting peaceful solution will be achieved fast remains to be seen. Fortunately the feuding in Scotland has not led to blood shedding in physical violence, although some of the stuff that has been going on does not show the world a good picture of a progressive modern nation.
Obviously there are factions of the 45% who lost the vote who cannot accept the situation, Huffington Post reports a petition to recount the votes or even re-run the ballot has collected 70000 signatures in one day, and the SNP is still defiant about forcing the London politicians to hurry up in delivering their promises.
Interesting times.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 21, 2014 18:56:46 GMT -5
i think it would be great for scotland to finally become independent of britian...but then i've always been a rebel at heart... Any chance you'd vote for your state to separate from the other 49 ??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 19:18:35 GMT -5
i think it would be great for scotland to finally become independent of britian...but then i've always been a rebel at heart... Any chance you'd vote for your state to separate from the other 49 ?? if it were a republican state yes...but its not it full of liberals so NO...about 1.5 to 1...
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