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Post by emy on May 17, 2010 12:55:59 GMT -5
We do not see healing of pedophiles, so how can we credit God or man for healing which does not occur? There isn't MASS healing of pedophiles, but can you positively state this on a case by case basis? As Sharon said, most would not even ask to be healed, so there would be none. I'm not aware that God heals our diseases without request.
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Post by emy on May 17, 2010 12:57:26 GMT -5
Not a disease? I agree, but Sharon says it's an incurable mental illness. I firmly believe that there have been people who subject their sexual desires to a greater cause, if they are stable. Didn't Jesus say so? Sounds like the jury is still out on God's healing power. I find this statement greatly lacking in faith: from the people whom God has shown no desire to "cure".Emy, that is not lacking in faith, that is being realistic...again as I said to answer you it would take going into predestination again and I'm not the scholar on that...Jason is.... I'm really quite curious how predestination enters into this. Maybe Jason would PM me?
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Post by sharonw on May 17, 2010 13:01:02 GMT -5
Emy, that is not lacking in faith, that is being realistic...again as I said to answer you it would take going into predestination again and I'm not the scholar on that...Jason is.... I'm really quite curious how predestination enters into this. Maybe Jason would PM me? In perhaps the short of it...those who are predestinated for salvation can be cured...otherwise....
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2010 13:07:29 GMT -5
We do not see healing of pedophiles, so how can we credit God or man for healing which does not occur? There isn't MASS healing of pedophiles, but can you positively state this on a case by case basis? As Sharon said, most would not even ask to be healed, so there would be none. I'm not aware that God heals our diseases without request. There have been no documented or claims made of a cure for pedophilia, whether a cure by God or by man. I think that is a sound basis to conclude that God in not active in this area as yet. One of the difficulties with pedophilia is that many of them see nothing wrong with their actions which is why so few seek help from anyone. I'm not sure why you seem to be so dismissive of this subject by suggesting that God might possibly have cured someone somewhere at sometime of this. It appears to me that God is counting on parents and other good people to protect children, and is waiting for science to figure out the cause of such desires and is relying on the law to keep the perpetrators under control. That's ok with me, but let's not dismiss these efforts in favour of waiting for God to cure all these destructive individuals.
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Post by sharonw on May 17, 2010 13:17:32 GMT -5
There isn't MASS healing of pedophiles, but can you positively state this on a case by case basis? As Sharon said, most would not even ask to be healed, so there would be none. I'm not aware that God heals our diseases without request. There have been no documented or claims made of a cure for pedophilia, whether a cure by God or by man. I think that is a sound basis to conclude that God in not active in this area as yet. One of the difficulties with pedophilia is that many of them see nothing wrong with their actions which is why so few seek help from anyone. I'm not sure why you seem to be so dismissive of this subject by suggesting that God might possibly have cured someone somewhere at sometime of this. It appears to me that God is counting on parents and other good people to protect children, and is waiting for science to figure out the cause of such desires and is relying on the law to keep the perpetrators under control. That's ok with me, but let's not dismiss these efforts in favour of waiting for God to cure all these destructive individuals. God has given us brains and he expects us to use them...He's has allowed the laws of the land to stop criminal which are oppressors and God hates oppressors and liars....God knows these individuals are as they are and He expects to realize with all the data of past history on such people that things are not as good as one could hope for as far as turning these perps back into a child ridden society! Same goes for rapists which generally end up being rapist/murderers in the long run...simply because it gets rougher and rougher in their minds to hit their satisfaction point. IF a cure is ever found, there will always be a majority of the perps that will not be compliant for the cure....that's one of the hindrances now....so IF a perp becomes willing and openly admits the need, then perhaps a cure is available or at least help! as to God healing one? Does He heal other problems of the physical/mental realm?
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Post by rational on May 17, 2010 13:33:36 GMT -5
I'm not aware that God heals our diseases without request. I am not aware that it has ever been demonstrated that god heals diseases. Any more than god causes them.
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Post by 2 on May 17, 2010 13:59:36 GMT -5
I'm not aware that God heals our diseases without request. I am not aware that it has ever been demonstrated that god heals diseases. Any more than god causes them. It takes faith to believe! right?
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Post by emy on May 17, 2010 14:21:59 GMT -5
Accepting consequences is an illness?
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Post by eaglesnest on May 20, 2010 22:43:46 GMT -5
... So you idea of a perpatrator "owning" up to his/her errors of CSA and things coming out all right, is a dream, it doesn't work that way....it'd be nice if that is all it'd take...but very seldom does that really "cure" anything. It seems you breezed right over eaglesnest mention of accepting consequences following the owning up.
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Post by eaglesnest on May 20, 2010 23:00:14 GMT -5
It seems you breezed right over eaglesnest mention of accepting consequences following the owning up. My friends, I am not quite sure what you mean when you say I 'breezed right over' mentioning accepting consequences of our actions - What did I breeze right over? What is the part I breezed over? Is it not true that as we make choices, we can choose, but we can not choose the results of our choices? - And many years ago, it seems that PM made some inappropriate choices, and now he is facing the results of those choices he made. How is that breezing over anything? We also know that we need to leave these matters to the law of the land to follow thru on. It is a good thing we have laws to protect our children, our families, etc. And when one of those laws is broken, the perp must face the consequences, rightfully so. Agreed?
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Post by eaglesnest on May 20, 2010 23:09:59 GMT -5
Hi everyone ~ I am not into gossip and I would like to mention 2 things that I know for facts. One is that when PM was transferred from MI to WI, it had absolutely nothing to do with any misconduct in MI. The people that know that as a fact probably don't even visit this site. I know it for a 100% fact. The other thing I know for sure is this; that we reap what we sow. If PM has done something wrong, as with any of us, if we are honest with ourselves and owe up to what we have done, we accept the consequences, whatever the consequences are. It is a law of nature that we reap what we sow. Thank you, eaglesnest....whether the incidents in MI go with the ones in Wisc. is neither here nor there....CSA is an illness with the perpatrators...there has been NO discovery of anything that cures this illness....the sooner people in the f&w's understand that this is an illness, the sooner things will start getting set to right. CSA is NOT about sex! CSA is about controlling a weaker member of society! It is an illness...it should never be considered to be handled like secret sexual behaviour at all! It is NOT like sex between consenting parties whether it is hidden or whether it is out in the open...IT IS NOT about SEX! It is an illness! The quicker people seek to help stop the perpatrators the sooner there will be less victims which can and do become perpatrators themselves due to the horrible psychological damage it does to them! If not that, then their whole lives are ruined pyschologically and emotionally! So you idea of a perpatrator "owning" up to his/her errors of CSA and things coming out all right, is a dream, it doesn't work that way....it'd be nice if that is all it'd take...but very seldom does that really "cure" anything. I agree, sharonw, that a perp accepting the consequences of his actions (jailtime, community service, etc.) does NOT cure them of their illness. I never mentioned anything about them owning up their errors of CSA and 'things coming out all right'. I simply meant that it is a law of nature that we reap what we sow - and if one chooses to be inappropriate with young girls, to cross a line that is horribly violating of a young girls boundaries, that there are consequences to face in doing that. Whether the perp realizes he has been wrong in his actions or not, there are still consequences. And I also know that the majority of perps do not think they really did anything that wrong, which is part of the illness and why there is no cure, because a person has to realize there is a problem before that problem can be effectively addressed. Hope this clears up any misunderstandings regarding my post.
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Post by emy on May 20, 2010 23:24:24 GMT -5
My friends, I am not quite sure what you mean when you say I 'breezed right over' mentioning accepting consequences of our actions - What did I breeze right over? What is the part I breezed over? Is it not true that as we make choices, we can choose, but we can not choose the results of our choices? - And many years ago, it seems that PM made some inappropriate choices, and now he is facing the results of those choices he made. How is that breezing over anything? We also know that we need to leave these matters to the law of the land to follow thru on. It is a good thing we have laws to protect our children, our families, etc. And when one of those laws is broken, the perp must face the consequences, rightfully so. Agreed? No, eaglesnest, it was not you who "breezed over." You mentioned the consequences necessary AFTER the owning up. It was Sharon who said owning up was no cure, (which no one had stated) and seemed to miss that there are consequences which follow owning up.
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Post by eaglesnest on May 20, 2010 23:52:10 GMT -5
My friends, I am not quite sure what you mean when you say I 'breezed right over' mentioning accepting consequences of our actions - What did I breeze right over? What is the part I breezed over? Is it not true that as we make choices, we can choose, but we can not choose the results of our choices? - And many years ago, it seems that PM made some inappropriate choices, and now he is facing the results of those choices he made. How is that breezing over anything? We also know that we need to leave these matters to the law of the land to follow thru on. It is a good thing we have laws to protect our children, our families, etc. And when one of those laws is broken, the perp must face the consequences, rightfully so. Agreed? No, eaglesnest, it was not you who "breezed over." You mentioned the consequences necessary AFTER the owning up. It was Sharon who said owning up was no cure, (which no one had stated) and seemed to miss that there are consequences which follow owning up. Thanks very much for clarifying that, emy.....I was beginning to wonder if I had missed something that I had written!!! Thanks again.... :-)
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Post by sharonw on May 21, 2010 0:22:07 GMT -5
Accepting consequences is an illness? Or a cure?
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Post by rational on May 25, 2010 8:13:32 GMT -5
There have been no documented or claims made of a cure for pedophilia, whether a cure by God or by man. I think that is a sound basis to conclude that God in not active in this area as yet. One of the difficulties with pedophilia is that many of them see nothing wrong with their actions which is why so few seek help from anyone. I'm not sure why you seem to be so dismissive of this subject by suggesting that God might possibly have cured someone somewhere at sometime of this. It appears to me that God is counting on parents and other good people to protect children, and is waiting for science to figure out the cause of such desires and is relying on the law to keep the perpetrators under control. That's ok with me, but let's not dismiss these efforts in favour of waiting for God to cure all these destructive individuals. God has given us brains and he expects us to use them...He's has allowed the laws of the land to stop criminal which are oppressors and God hates oppressors and liars....God knows these individuals are as they are and He expects to realize with all the data of past history on such people that things are not as good as one could hope for as far as turning these perps back into a child ridden society! Same goes for rapists which generally end up being rapist/murderers in the long run...simply because it gets rougher and rougher in their minds to hit their satisfaction point. IF a cure is ever found, there will always be a majority of the perps that will not be compliant for the cure....that's one of the hindrances now....so IF a perp becomes willing and openly admits the need, then perhaps a cure is available or at least help! as to God healing one? Does He heal other problems of the physical/mental realm? I don't think there is data to back up the majority of the charges made above. Just repeating that the high recidivism rate among sex offenders is high does not make it a fact. A U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics study, Recidivism of Sex Offenders Released from Prison in 1994, showed that only five percent of sex offenders were arrested for sex crime during the three years following their release. Another 2003 study showed only 3.3 percent of child molesters were arrested in the three years they were followed for another sex crime against a child. Even a five percent cannot be considered a high repeat offender rate. Another 2003 study of 10,000 released prisoners showed that sex offenders had a 25 percent lower re-arrest rate than other criminals. www.ipce.info/library_3/files/03nov_recidivism.htmRepeating false beliefs again and again does little to help people understand the problem. It reminds me of the milk carton campaign a while ago that claimed there were huge numbers of children going missing every year. While it is true there are 800,000 reports of missing children every year there are less than 150 that fall into the class of the most serious “stereotypical kidnappings”
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Post by sharonw on May 25, 2010 12:21:49 GMT -5
I disagree with the percentile on that rational! In this area we have a greater number of repeaters.....we get notices every day about someone who has repeated the offense and/or asconding their parole violations, registeration orders!
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Post by rational on May 25, 2010 17:42:44 GMT -5
I disagree with the percentile on that rational! In this area we have a greater number of repeaters.....we get notices every day about someone who has repeated the offense and/or asconding their parole violations, registeration orders! They are not my numbers. What part of the research methodology or statistical analysis do you think was in error? I find it difficult to believe that 3 published research papers would all be in error. You may get notices but how do you know what the percentage is since you do not get notices about the people who get out and are not repeat offenders? Let's say you get a notice a day. What is the total number of people released? How many did not repeat? This is a common occurrence when human perception is involved. Look at how many people think there is more crime/accidents/ER activity around the time of the full moon when the evidence shows no such thing.
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Post by sharonw on May 26, 2010 9:15:18 GMT -5
Strange thing research methodology! I suppose no one suspects anything to do with the moon becoming full tomorrow after all...yesterday and last night were full of "incidentals" ....instead of having routine patients yesterday, every one we saw had a crisis on hand...first one was suicidal, second one had a severe burned leg which was infected and man near death, third one was a man come in with a horrific fracture to the humeral head and cuff.....I won't tell the rest, that just covers the more minor issues....people were darting around in their cars not looking where they were going...police ran sirens all night long, wreck after wreck!
Where are the "researchers" when such stuff really happens? Usually home in bed OR on vacation! The rest of us are so busy we can't be bothered to keep those statistics for them!
I have little faith in "statistics" rational! I've seen too many of them debunked!
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Post by rational on May 26, 2010 10:46:10 GMT -5
Where are the "researchers" when such stuff really happens? Usually home in bed OR on vacation! The rest of us are so busy we can't be bothered to keep those statistics for them! No, they separate themselves from the incidents in order to be objective. You don't really have to use statistics at all. Look at the number of admissions per day and then compare it to the full moon cycle. Another way to think about this is to come up with a reason why you think these things would happen only at the time of the full moon. The moon is up in the sky all the time, full or new. This would mean that blind people would escape all effects. It's like the supposed increase in birth 9 months after a blackout. The number of births in the 9 month the time frame simply do not support the claim.
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Post by rational on May 26, 2010 10:53:46 GMT -5
I have little faith in "statistics" rational! I've seen too many of them debunked! Will you be offering data to show the error in the studies that show only 5% of criminal offenders that are released become repeat offenders? (getting back somewhat closer to the original thread!)
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Post by jhjmr on May 28, 2010 19:16:54 GMT -5
Eagles Nest, would you like to inform everyone how you know for a fact, the PM was not sent to Wisc. because of his conduct in Mi. Fact #1. He had more than one incident with wrong conduct in Mi. Fact #2. Wisc. was just in need of a worker that had the background of misconduct like PM. Fact # 3. Who do you think is that dumb? It was well known by many about Peter in Mi. Including you obviously. There is known documents that were made between the two overseers from each state. Do you know those facts? Fact # 4. It was hidden until after many years someone let the cat out of the bag. Fact # 5. Jerome didn't write a single letter until it was out in the open by the source and to save face, he tried to come up with a letter to SOME folks about misconduct. That is fact # 5. a complete cover-up. How can anyone with any kind of conscience try to claim that Jerome tried to inform people of incidents, when he was aware of them for years. I thought wings was just out to put a end to such farce. Not try and defend the farce. Ignorance is bliss and I have a Brooklyn bridge to sell to anyone that can't think themselves out of a tin can. This is not politics, this is misconduct that will affect innocent people for ever, I don't care what age they are. Also, when a worker trys to defend another worker of misconduct, what is he hiding and not wanting to be made known? I thought the name of the religion was suppose to be the TRUTH!! No, I'm not hostile, I am just plain sick of the games that is played at others expense. Wonder if anyone will have enough guts to answer this. Probably not!!
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Post by eaglesnest on Jun 2, 2010 13:26:41 GMT -5
Eagles Nest, would you like to inform everyone how you know for a fact, the PM was not sent to Wisc. because of his conduct in Mi. Fact #1. He had more than one incident with wrong conduct in Mi. Fact #2. Wisc. was just in need of a worker that had the background of misconduct like PM. Fact # 3. Who do you think is that dumb? It was well known by many about Peter in Mi. Including you obviously. There is known documents that were made between the two overseers from each state. Do you know those facts? Fact # 4. It was hidden until after many years someone let the cat out of the bag. Fact # 5. Jerome didn't write a single letter until it was out in the open by the source and to save face, he tried to come up with a letter to SOME folks about misconduct. That is fact # 5. a complete cover-up. How can anyone with any kind of conscience try to claim that Jerome tried to inform people of incidents, when he was aware of them for years. I thought wings was just out to put a end to such farce. Not try and defend the farce. Ignorance is bliss and I have a Brooklyn bridge to sell to anyone that can't think themselves out of a tin can. This is not politics, this is misconduct that will affect innocent people for ever, I don't care what age they are. Also, when a worker trys to defend another worker of misconduct, what is he hiding and not wanting to be made known? I thought the name of the religion was suppose to be the TRUTH!! No, I'm not hostile, I am just plain sick of the games that is played at others expense. Wonder if anyone will have enough guts to answer this. Probably not!! jhjmr, would you like to inform everyone how you know your facts? Would you like to inform everyone the proof you have about these known documents between the 2 overseers which seem to prove to you that PM was switched to WI as a coverup, knowing all the while of his issues? Would you like to inform everyone of your proof of these claims? Also, could you please provide proof of the complete coverup you claim happened? Can you please provide proof of where one worker covered misconduct of another worker? Could you please provide proof of your Fact #2. Wisc. was just in need of a worker that had the background of misconduct like PM. ?
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Post by sharonw on Jun 2, 2010 14:00:57 GMT -5
Where are the "researchers" when such stuff really happens? Usually home in bed OR on vacation! The rest of us are so busy we can't be bothered to keep those statistics for them! No, they separate themselves from the incidents in order to be objective. You don't really have to use statistics at all. Look at the number of admissions per day and then compare it to the full moon cycle. Another way to think about this is to come up with a reason why you think these things would happen only at the time of the full moon. The moon is up in the sky all the time, full or new. This would mean that blind people would escape all effects. It's like the supposed increase in birth 9 months after a blackout. The number of births in the 9 month the time frame simply do not support the claim. Ahhh, but blind people do not need to see when the moon changes, Rational...it has to do with the ebbing of the tide! Annan perhaps could interpret that better then I can....but it has to do with the tide!
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Post by sharonw on Jun 2, 2010 14:10:00 GMT -5
Eagles Nest, would you like to inform everyone how you know for a fact, the PM was not sent to Wisc. because of his conduct in Mi. Fact #1. He had more than one incident with wrong conduct in Mi. Fact #2. Wisc. was just in need of a worker that had the background of misconduct like PM. Fact # 3. Who do you think is that dumb? It was well known by many about Peter in Mi. Including you obviously. There is known documents that were made between the two overseers from each state. Do you know those facts? Fact # 4. It was hidden until after many years someone let the cat out of the bag. Fact # 5. Jerome didn't write a single letter until it was out in the open by the source and to save face, he tried to come up with a letter to SOME folks about misconduct. That is fact # 5. a complete cover-up. How can anyone with any kind of conscience try to claim that Jerome tried to inform people of incidents, when he was aware of them for years. I thought wings was just out to put a end to such farce. Not try and defend the farce. Ignorance is bliss and I have a Brooklyn bridge to sell to anyone that can't think themselves out of a tin can. This is not politics, this is misconduct that will affect innocent people for ever, I don't care what age they are. Also, when a worker trys to defend another worker of misconduct, what is he hiding and not wanting to be made known? I thought the name of the religion was suppose to be the TRUTH!! No, I'm not hostile, I am just plain sick of the games that is played at others expense. Wonder if anyone will have enough guts to answer this. Probably not!! jhjmr, would you like to inform everyone how you know your facts? Would you like to inform everyone the proof you have about these known documents between the 2 overseers which seem to prove to you that PM was switched to WI as a coverup, knowing all the while of his issues? Would you like to inform everyone of your proof of these claims? Also, could you please provide proof of the complete coverup you claim happened? Can you please provide proof of where one worker covered misconduct of another worker? Could you please provide proof of your Fact #2. Wisc. was just in need of a worker that had the background of misconduct like PM. ? Eaglesnest, it is a great pity that the victims and their significant others do NOT have the courage to come forward so that justice is really served...and that is REGARDLESS of who they are and who has tried to keep them quiet with promises and shaming them. It is a long known fact that the workership has shifted and covered up CSA perpatrators for 40-50 years....promising the victims/families that they'd move them so they wouldn't have to worry about further abuse and in the long run have told the victims/families they'd do this IF they'd keep quiet about it and sometimes has been said SO THAT THE LITTLE CHILDREN WOULDN'T HAVE TO TELL WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE STRANGERS. That which is happening in the Catholic Church is identical in the Fellowship all the way to the top ministers of both denominations....it is very frustrating when the powers that be are the ones who are doing the secreting away of these perpatrators. It is most likely that the powers that be within the fellowship THINK THAT CSA IS JUST ANOTHER SEXUAL MISCONDUCT and that IF perps are moved about FROM THE TEMPATION then it will go away....so perhaps some ignorance is at play here in the fellowship....I'm glad that the authorities in one state has decided to put the overseer on notice, that the next "hidden perpatrator" found the overseer will answer to legal charges himself...it is time something is done. It is the worst black eye AND bloody nose a religious group could ever have! It's moved into a canker sore, in fact!
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Post by rational on Jun 2, 2010 14:24:38 GMT -5
No, they separate themselves from the incidents in order to be objective. You don't really have to use statistics at all. Look at the number of admissions per day and then compare it to the full moon cycle. Another way to think about this is to come up with a reason why you think these things would happen only at the time of the full moon. The moon is up in the sky all the time, full or new. This would mean that blind people would escape all effects. It's like the supposed increase in birth 9 months after a blackout. The number of births in the 9 month the time frame simply do not support the claim. Ahhh, but blind people do not need to see when the moon changes, Rational...it has to do with the ebbing of the tide! Annan perhaps could interpret that better then I can....but it has to do with the tide! The tides are the results of the rotation of the earth as much as anything else. No rotation - no tides. Even without the moon there would be tides. Perhaps you could find a study or two to support your claims.
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Post by eaglesnest on Jun 2, 2010 15:08:06 GMT -5
jhjmr, would you like to inform everyone how you know your facts? Would you like to inform everyone the proof you have about these known documents between the 2 overseers which seem to prove to you that PM was switched to WI as a coverup, knowing all the while of his issues? Would you like to inform everyone of your proof of these claims? Also, could you please provide proof of the complete coverup you claim happened? Can you please provide proof of where one worker covered misconduct of another worker? Could you please provide proof of your Fact #2. Wisc. was just in need of a worker that had the background of misconduct like PM. ? Eaglesnest, it is a great pity that the victims and their significant others do NOT have the courage to come forward so that justice is really served...and that is REGARDLESS of who they are and who has tried to keep them quiet with promises and shaming them. It is a long known fact that the workership has shifted and covered up CSA perpatrators for 40-50 years....promising the victims/families that they'd move them so they wouldn't have to worry about further abuse and in the long run have told the victims/families they'd do this IF they'd keep quiet about it and sometimes has been said SO THAT THE LITTLE CHILDREN WOULDN'T HAVE TO TELL WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE STRANGERS. That which is happening in the Catholic Church is identical in the Fellowship all the way to the top ministers of both denominations....it is very frustrating when the powers that be are the ones who are doing the secreting away of these perpatrators. It is most likely that the powers that be within the fellowship THINK THAT CSA IS JUST ANOTHER SEXUAL MISCONDUCT and that IF perps are moved about FROM THE TEMPATION then it will go away....so perhaps some ignorance is at play here in the fellowship....I'm glad that the authorities in one state has decided to put the overseer on notice, that the next "hidden perpatrator" found the overseer will answer to legal charges himself...it is time something is done. It is the worst black eye AND bloody nose a religious group could ever have! It's moved into a canker sore, in fact! sharonw, jhjmr stated facts, and i was simply asking him for proof of his facts, in regards to workers/overseers knowing of the abuse and covering it up -
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Post by sharonw on Jun 2, 2010 17:29:01 GMT -5
Eaglesnest, it is a great pity that the victims and their significant others do NOT have the courage to come forward so that justice is really served...and that is REGARDLESS of who they are and who has tried to keep them quiet with promises and shaming them. It is a long known fact that the workership has shifted and covered up CSA perpatrators for 40-50 years....promising the victims/families that they'd move them so they wouldn't have to worry about further abuse and in the long run have told the victims/families they'd do this IF they'd keep quiet about it and sometimes has been said SO THAT THE LITTLE CHILDREN WOULDN'T HAVE TO TELL WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE STRANGERS. That which is happening in the Catholic Church is identical in the Fellowship all the way to the top ministers of both denominations....it is very frustrating when the powers that be are the ones who are doing the secreting away of these perpatrators. It is most likely that the powers that be within the fellowship THINK THAT CSA IS JUST ANOTHER SEXUAL MISCONDUCT and that IF perps are moved about FROM THE TEMPATION then it will go away....so perhaps some ignorance is at play here in the fellowship....I'm glad that the authorities in one state has decided to put the overseer on notice, that the next "hidden perpatrator" found the overseer will answer to legal charges himself...it is time something is done. It is the worst black eye AND bloody nose a religious group could ever have! It's moved into a canker sore, in fact! sharonw, jhjmr stated facts, and i was simply asking him for proof of his facts, in regards to workers/overseers knowing of the abuse and covering it up - Actually I can almost guarantee you that jhjmr is in the big middle of the current CSA issues and has been for some time...that said it is again TMB practices to put anything on TMB as proof other then legal documents that are available to the public.....also it is an invasion of privacy for those victims/families that do not want the issue known in such a extended matter.......
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Post by rational on Jun 2, 2010 18:02:53 GMT -5
Actually I can almost guarantee you that jhjmr is in the big middle of the current CSA issues and has been for some time...that said it is again TMB practices to put anything on TMB as proof other then legal documents that are available to the public.....also it is an invasion of privacy for those victims/families that do not want the issue known in such a extended matter....... If someone has facts they are posting they should be willing to provide backup for their claims or it is just rumors and gossip. An " almost guarantee" is not much of a statement of veracity without some information that can be used to verify it. In any case, I'm not sure what you could provide as a guarantee that would assure this particular condition. or, in this case, almost offer.
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