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Post by lute1812 on Jun 17, 2008 20:37:43 GMT -5
I heard there is an investigation going on about money. Hope that is pursued good. Wonder how many elders would lie about hiding money to the government? The workers are never without anything. Someone is always getting it for them. We all need a job like that. anything you need and leisure. Drive around in a nice lincoln and just pump gas and bill someone else. Drive miles for the dumbest reason with someone else paying the bill. With this fringe benefit they get, they are suppose to have at least one mission once in a year. Then they can preach about being homeless, moneyless and etc. Just hide the fancy car so no one sees it when they come. Keep the hand closed so no one sees the money being slipped. Brad is that you? Same song and dance routine! Lute1812
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Post by Kit Kat on Jun 17, 2008 21:26:05 GMT -5
I heard there is an investigation going on about money. Hope that is pursued good. Wonder how many elders would lie about hiding money to the government? The workers are never without anything. Someone is always getting it for them. We all need a job like that. anything you need and leisure. Drive around in a nice lincoln and just pump gas and bill someone else. Drive miles for the dumbest reason with someone else paying the bill. With this fringe benefit they get, they are suppose to have at least one mission once in a year. Then they can preach about being homeless, moneyless and etc. Just hide the fancy car so no one sees it when they come. Keep the hand closed so no one sees the money being slipped. Brad is that you? Same song and dance routine! Lute1812 Nah. Brad has impeccable grammar.
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Post by Pink on Jun 17, 2008 21:29:34 GMT -5
In the several threads concerning Michigan, there seems to be a continual gripe about "workers driving Lincolns". Does Jerome Frandle drive a Lincoln?
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Post by déjà vu on Jun 17, 2008 22:00:16 GMT -5
We do not begrudge the workers driving luxury cars. because they give their all. but how do we explain to the neighbors ,when a homeless minister drives up to your house in a Lexus for Sun. meeting . the Q is would JESUS be driving one?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2008 22:25:19 GMT -5
Strangely, workers had far more converts before they drove cars, just caught car rides and trains. Is there a connection between the Lexus-driving and the cessation of converts? The only places in the world today where they are making converts are where they don't drive a Lexus or a Lincoln.
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Post by White Knight on Jun 18, 2008 6:16:44 GMT -5
You're so correct. Nathan9
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Post by White Knight on Jun 18, 2008 6:20:17 GMT -5
Hello I'm a live and well. Bin away to MI done some investigating. See it's the same o same o, some truth some misleading lots of jealousy. THERE were even lots of anger and red faces, hatred etc, etc. Twins were brought in by a bonds man. ALL 5 workers were there. The cousin that hates the family was there as well as many others. There was about 20 min’s, of closed door discussion then the court was open to the public. JUDGE made it very clear He had enough of what was going on. Told all, all parties there would be no witness and said or asked if there were any witness there to go home so there time would not be wasted. Oh as to lute1812 I for one would not want you to represent me as a paralegal or any other sorts you can bluff a lot; my postings speak for them selves. I think you best get your own house in order and get your facts straight. Ps. Would you like to PM me or do you want to keep this up in the open your choice
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Post by confusing on Jun 18, 2008 9:42:56 GMT -5
Why does five workers always show up at the court? Where did all five come from as I hear that the two ex sisters are living down south? BD and B are from the Traverse area. Long drive to sit in a court room with no input. Gas is very expensive to be so driven to have to be at the court hearing? Is there a gain to this for them that no one else can see? It sure would show hatred from the workers. They are definitely there against the parents, whom they have spent many many fellowship meetings with. Someone is lacking a godly spirit and needs to spend more time on their knees praying for Gods children than trying to be against them. How long has it been since the four minor children even attended a meeting? Once 5 took part and the youngest had just professed before this all happened. What have they been taught and I wonder if they know how many people would like to see their family destroyed? Surely makes you wonder who God is dealing with? Scarey stuff.
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Post by Answering Pink on Jun 18, 2008 9:49:51 GMT -5
Yes, Jerome drives around in a Lincoln. He sure has put a lot of miles on it, being involved in the Mi. case. From Detroit to the upper part of the lower pennisula. But BD has sure went many miles also coming from the Traverse City region. They are in so deep that you just know there has to be something not seen or heard. A big cover-up is possible. For what? Many things are known, but not really told yet. As it is said, it'll all come out in the wash!!
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Post by interesting on Jun 18, 2008 9:52:32 GMT -5
Hello I'm a live and well. Bin away to MI done some investigating. See it's the same o same o, some truth some misleading lots of jealousy. THERE were even lots of anger and red faces, hatred etc, etc. Twins were brought in by a bonds man. ALL 5 workers were there. The cousin that hates the family was there as well as many others. There was about 20 min’s, of closed door discussion then the court was open to the public. JUDGE made it very clear He had enough of what was going on. Told all, all parties there would be no witness and said or asked if there were any witness there to go home so there time would not be wasted. Oh as to lute1812 I for one would not want you to represent me as a paralegal or any other sorts you can bluff a lot; my postings speak for them selves. I think you best get your own house in order and get your facts straight. Ps. Would you like to PM me or do you want to keep this up in the open your choice Investigating? I thought you were innocent. Why are you still around if innocent. I suppose you were in the little gathering with the other accused this weekend. Do you all have something that you have to discuss? You weren't at the hearing so how do you know what you say is true. I believe Lute1812 is what you call being transparent. You wouldn't understand this approach, because as your title says, "The Shadow Knows." Secrets are dangerous...God knows all secrets.
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Post by just wondering on Jun 18, 2008 14:28:28 GMT -5
All of this bickering. Does Mi. overseer read these threads I wonder? I wonder if some of the negative is being posted by him or other workers? It sure does seem like there is a group of 2 X 2's that are in the control of some ungodly force. Would you not think the overseer would put an end to this spectacle? Or is this something that he wants. Are those so fighting mad about everything, doing as he wants them to do? If he is against the Mi. case parents so much, then I would say he is instigating a lot of this strife. Pretty soon he will be overseer of an explosion which was once known as truth. The big happy family has become extinct.
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Post by 4 the record on Jun 18, 2008 15:10:45 GMT -5
All of this bickering. Does Mi. overseer read these threads I wonder? I wonder if some of the negative is being posted by him or other workers? It sure does seem like there is a group of 2 X 2's that are in the control of some ungodly force. Would you not think the overseer would put an end to this spectacle? Or is this something that he wants. Are those so fighting mad about everything, doing as he wants them to do? If he is against the Mi. case parents so much, then I would say he is instigating a lot of this strife. Pretty soon he will be overseer of an explosion which was once known as truth. The big happy family has become extinct. he is putting an end to it. he stopped the meeting where the abusive parents go. it is the abusive parents father and mothers(granparents) house. the granparents knew about the abuse.
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Post by Yeah well nothing new on Jun 18, 2008 15:26:07 GMT -5
They take meetings out of the home when people have bible studies with other Christians not in the group, kick people out who discuss doctrine, sanction people who have other Christians books in the house and ignore people who are on the just so so saint lists. That is how it is in michigan. Full of themselves
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Post by Knight blowing his nose here on Jun 18, 2008 17:25:42 GMT -5
White Knight crying over here now!
Ask him, he has the answers. He cann't get along with the CULT's followers and he crys on TMB. But he has the FACTS. He has to copy the same post all over the board I have seen the above post on another board.
Give it to them Knightt, our saviour.
The man with the FACTS, but someone wrote you have to delete your posts, because of untruthfulness. Huh, no lies, now, honey.
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Post by surprise on Jun 18, 2008 17:33:40 GMT -5
To your surprise and wrong conclusion, there is still meeting in the grandparents home. The parents still attend meeting, and they will deal with God, not the on earth God. Who owns the meetings? That is a question I would like to have answered. Who has the right to tell anyone that they can not serve God if they want or need too. Who is JF that he thinks he can control someone to the point that he thinks he could put them in hell. How sad of someone that claims he is trying to save people and then tries his best to destroy someones faith. God gives strength to overcome all enemies and he is always present when someone needs him. What a cult in action!!! The grandparents are very loving family people, that love their daughter and her children with all of their heart. They would never ever allow those children to be abused. Shame on you people for even putting down people that are 91 and 87. Your reward is awaiting you.
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Post by same old same old on Jun 18, 2008 17:56:04 GMT -5
Hello I'm a live and well. Bin away to MI done some investigating. and get your facts straight. Ps. Would you like to PM me or do you want to keep this up in the open your choice White Knight what were you INVESTIGATING? You posted you were proved not guilty. You deleted untruthful posts on the board, but you have the answers. You can't get along with the faith's friends and have to come here with sad tales to the EXES board. When you're questioned when signed on as White Knight, you go on vacation and then you go into hiding using guest posts. White Knight is a typical 2x2er, great example for the faith, let him be your spokesperson. Nuff said, enlighten us, brother.
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Post by 4 the record on Jun 18, 2008 18:21:10 GMT -5
To your surprise and wrong conclusion, there is still meeting in the grandparents home. The parents still attend meeting, and they will deal with God, not the on earth God. Who owns the meetings? That is a question I would like to have answered. Who has the right to tell anyone that they can not serve God if they want or need too. Who is JF that he thinks he can control someone to the point that he thinks he could put them in hell. How sad of someone that claims he is trying to save people and then tries his best to destroy someones faith. God gives strength to overcome all enemies and he is always present when someone needs him. What a cult in action!!! The grandparents are very loving family people, that love their daughter and her children with all of their heart. They would never ever allow those children to be abused. Shame on you people for even putting down people that are 91 and 87. Your reward is awaiting you. The meeting was dissolved because of lying and denying when confronted. Matthew 18:15-22 If your brother sins go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as Gentile and a tax collector. Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. Who attends the "meetings" as you put it?
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Post by Maid Marion on Jun 18, 2008 18:21:56 GMT -5
What'cha doin in MI investigatin White Shadow? You said you was justa goin into town for some new armour
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Post by Maid Marion again on Jun 18, 2008 18:24:15 GMT -5
Eye'm so tiked at you that I done called you the wrong name. White Knight.
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Post by Wrong on Jun 18, 2008 20:10:12 GMT -5
There was no lying or denying. Accusing without justifying is also a sin. Trying to accuse everyone of lying to condone evil works against people that serve God is a sin. Everything you are trying to say, is coming back to haunt you. How are you going to stand before anyone and know that everything was a lie that you gossiped around to everyone. Nothing is going as you so wish it to go, so lets see how honest you are to admit you were wrong. It all will come out in the wash. That sure will be a haunting statement. Be thankful that God is forgiving. Something that you keep forgetting because it is not in your heart.
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Post by To 4 for record on Jun 18, 2008 20:14:51 GMT -5
Did you just preach that sermon? I hope you were looking in the mirror when you did, because it also says, you shall reap what you sow. That is one of the big problem, preaching the sermon, but not living the sermon. As they say, I would rather see a sermon than hear one any day. Lip service the last I knew, was a cheap commodity.
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Post by 4 the record on Jun 19, 2008 7:46:42 GMT -5
Did you just preach that sermon? I hope you were looking in the mirror when you did, because it also says, you shall reap what you sow. That is one of the big problem, preaching the sermon, but not living the sermon. As they say, I would rather see a sermon than hear one any day. Lip service the last I knew, was a cheap commodity. Who do you think I am? I don't go to meeting. It's sad you have such hatred towards any human being though.
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Post by No Hatred on Jun 19, 2008 8:22:40 GMT -5
There is no hatred towards any human being, but there is disgust in the actions of certain human beings. It is hard to imagine that any human being would want to deliberately hurt another for personal gain. It is hard to imagine what that personal gain would ever be. As far as the human being themselves, you feel sorry for someone that has nothing more in life than that. Preaching sermons to other human beings is a known disgust.
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Post by WHAAAAT on Jun 19, 2008 10:31:15 GMT -5
There is no hatred towards any human being, but there is disgust in the actions of certain human beings. It is hard to imagine that any human being would want to deliberately hurt another for personal gain. It is hard to imagine what that personal gain would ever be. As far as the human being themselves, you feel sorry for someone that has nothing more in life than that. Preaching sermons to other human beings is a known disgust. What is child abuse? Do you know the definition? It warrants disgust. A person has to be very hardened to abuse a child.
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Post by Your right on Jun 19, 2008 12:16:46 GMT -5
Yes, child abuse is horrible. But first, what type of child abuse are we talking about. Spanking with a belt is child abuse. It has been used for many many many years, but the courts say it is child abuse. How many parents would be in court today if they were known to have used a belt. JF says he got many beatings with a belt and he probably needed more. So, when you make an accusations and use a couple of words in general, you must be able to define what is meant. The other abuse was putting the children in the pantry. It is not a small pantry and has no locks, but no that is something that should not be done. But the case worker made a point of saying that when she took the children to the home, the one that was put in the pantry and the other youngest one, went and played in the pantry. She was astonished that they were not in any way afraid. So, sure wasn't much of a punishment. About like sticking a kid in his room and not letting him come out, which I'm sure every parent can relate too. That was the total charges. Things that are corrected very easily and now everyone is trying to make things different to satisfy themselves, not the children's well being. The ignorance of the people wishing bad is way worse than the ignorance of any parent trying to correct their children and not in a harmful way but not an approved way by the state. The picking up the pieces to the religion is something that isn't going to be corrected easily. Everyone that shows up against the parents, in court, are from the fellowship. The parents have family, friends and neighbors that attend. Does that say anything about who is against and who is wishing for bad results? Unbelievable is what it is.
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Post by from the area on Jun 19, 2008 12:22:57 GMT -5
Yes, child abuse is horrible. But first, what type of child abuse are we talking about. Spanking with a belt is child abuse. It has been used for many many many years, but the courts say it is child abuse. How many parents would be in court today if they were known to have used a belt. JF says he got many beatings with a belt and he probably needed more. So, when you make an accusations and use a couple of words in general, you must be able to define what is meant. The other abuse was putting the children in the pantry. It is not a small pantry and has no locks, but no that is something that should not be done. But the case worker made a point of saying that when she took the children to the home, the one that was put in the pantry and the other youngest one, went and played in the pantry. She was astonished that they were not in any way afraid. So, sure wasn't much of a punishment. About like sticking a kid in his room and not letting him come out, which I'm sure every parent can relate too. That was the total charges. Things that are corrected very easily and now everyone is trying to make things different to satisfy themselves, not the children's well being. The ignorance of the people wishing bad is way worse than the ignorance of any parent trying to correct their children and not in a harmful way but not an approved way by the state. The picking up the pieces to the religion is something that isn't going to be corrected easily. Everyone that shows up against the parents, in court, are from the fellowship. The parents have family, friends and neighbors that attend. Does that say anything about who is against and who is wishing for bad results? Unbelievable is what it is. and the reason why only one waiter will serve the "child abusers" in a local restaurant and the others waiters won't.
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Post by you say what on Jun 19, 2008 12:32:02 GMT -5
[ and the reason why only one waiter will serve the "child abusers" in a local restaurant and the others waiters won't. WHAT?
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Post by ANSWERTHIS on Jun 19, 2008 12:59:30 GMT -5
But the case worker made a point of saying that when she took the children to the home, the one that was put in the pantry and the other youngest one, went and played in the pantry. She was astonished that they were not in any way afraid. So, sure wasn't much of a punishment. About like sticking a kid in his room and not letting him come out, which I'm sure every parent can relate too. That was the total charges. How long were the kids shut in the pantry? just for a few minutes or for days at a time? So only the two children mentioned above were ever shut in a pantry or closet? The worst punishment was a belt? From abc news: abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/local&id=6052914 Protective services did substantiate a degree of physical and some mental abuse," said Lapeer County Prosecutor Byron Konschuh. "Whether that rose to the level of crossing the line into criminal activity, we did not feel there was enough there to charge crimes." Court records reveal the Department of Human Services concluded the parents used excessive discipline involving a belt, whip and hammer.The 19 year olds claim their parents would tie their feet and hands together and put them in a closet overnight. Last October, the parents pleaded no contest in a civil case, handing their four younger children over to foster care. "There are additional allegations that have come forward as a result of the counseling sessions," Konschuh said. "What those allegations would involve is pretty complex."So do you feel that the Lapeer County Prosecutor Byron lied to the reporter in the interview?
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