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Nov 28, 2004 8:31:53 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2004 8:31:53 GMT -5
JACK CARROLL & GEORGE WALKER FEUD: The exact nature of the contention between these two leading workers is not known to the writer. One cause given for the feud that split the East and West USA is the radio. Reportedly, it was the Pacific War theater, and in particular the workers who were prisoners in the Philippines, that resulted in the radio being freely used among the friends and workers on the West coast. It has been reported that Jack Carroll also attempted to use the radio for advertising meetings and even to preach to the public. Some workers felt that it was not proper to use the radio because no one could see the 2 & 2 method of preaching, which meant there was "talk without proof of the walk." Their theology concluded that the blessing was on the feet of those who publish the glad tidings of peace and not in their mouth or words. Some believed that for awhile Jack Carroll fell into the hands of rich men and was carried away with their influence and ideas, to the point that George Walker considered cutting off the West coast from fellowship over the matter. A compromise of sorts was reached, and the outcome was that the radio was not used for sermons and advertising meetings, but was allowed to remain in the homes of the West coast friends. However, George Walker did not allow radios in the homes of the East coast friends. This taboo is observed even today in places in the Eastern USA, depending on the ruling worker their ministerial indoctrination source
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Nov 29, 2004 11:23:55 GMT -5
Post by ForeverFree on Nov 29, 2004 11:23:55 GMT -5
However, George Walker did not allow radios in the homes of the East coast friends. This taboo is observed even today in places in the Eastern USA, depending on the ruling worker their ministerial indoctrination source ...and eastern Canada too.
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Nov 29, 2004 12:43:55 GMT -5
Post by And on Nov 29, 2004 12:43:55 GMT -5
in the midwest USA, however, farmers can pretend it is a necesssity by keeping it tuned to farm radio stations while the workers are visiting. Commodity updates and weather updates.
Never allowed as entertainment in the midwest USA.
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Nov 29, 2004 14:24:51 GMT -5
Post by movie on Nov 29, 2004 14:24:51 GMT -5
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Nov 30, 2004 6:45:47 GMT -5
Post by g on Nov 30, 2004 6:45:47 GMT -5
to And - You must live in a different area of the MIDWEST than I do cause most everyone has a radio, stereo, CD player, etc. You name it. Even way back when, this is in the 40s, my parents had a radio right out in the open. The local workers would turn it on at news time with no problem. All my life my own family has had radios, one right on the refrigerator and would never be hidden. Some workers in some areas were and still are so naive they just do what someone else tells them and we all know that would be some other worker. My area of the midwest is the NE, IA, MN, SD, ND area. Where are you?
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Nov 30, 2004 7:02:54 GMT -5
Post by Howard on Nov 30, 2004 7:02:54 GMT -5
*Nebraska
We had a radio, beginning with a battery powered one prior to the days of electricity. We listened to serial programs, news, weather, the whole bit. No one else in our 2x2 fellowship had one that I know of yet our elder (a single man) would sit in the local cafe and read the desk copy of the paper everyday while watching TV.....and then preach against the evils of it during meeting. We had a radio in our car and were aware that the workers were ''breaking off antennas'' during convention. My dad was not B&R (but professed) and maybe that had some influence on our family. We were not allowed to swim at a local public pool on Sundays but could ''run through the sprinkler'' at home.....LOL
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Nov 30, 2004 10:24:05 GMT -5
Post by to g on Nov 30, 2004 10:24:05 GMT -5
I grew up in Iowa. My grandparents in Missouri were threatened by the workers in the late 1970s of having meeting removed from their home for having a radio in the house.
We had radios - each teenager in their own room - growing up and it was a direct voilation of worker orders at that time. We hid them whenever they came to visit. We actually placed them in a dirt crawlspace under the house so thy could not accidentally come across them.
I personally witnessed radio antennae being ripped off cars at convention in 1976. (Milford, NH).
My great grandfather in Nebraska was not allowed radio, again, as late as the 1970s.
In the 1990s we were still discouraged from owning stereos by the workers in Iowa. They were not forbidden (as they were so widespread the workers could not completely ban them) but they were spoken against and highly discouraged. Kind of silly -- we (workers) prefer that you not have them, but since you do, we prefer that you not listen to them, but since you do, we still wish you wouldn't.
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Nov 30, 2004 10:27:55 GMT -5
Post by Wondering on Nov 30, 2004 10:27:55 GMT -5
Are you kin to Mr. Kauffman in LeMars IA Howard?
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Nov 30, 2004 11:01:25 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2004 11:01:25 GMT -5
Wonder if anyone has ever heard a worker admit that the group has ever been responsible for enforcing unChristian doctrine?
There is no doubt that they have changed stance on a number of obvious issues, (like the radio, womens hats in Britain, black stockings, marriage for workers, etc. Seems TV is on the verge of changing!!??) but I have NEVER EVER heard a worker admit that the group has ever changed doctrines, because some practiced and enforced cult doctrine has proven to be unrealistic.
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Nov 30, 2004 11:56:14 GMT -5
Post by Maggie not signed in on Nov 30, 2004 11:56:14 GMT -5
..... I have NEVER EVER heard a worker admit that the group has ever changed doctrines, because some practiced and enforced cult doctrine has proven to be unrealistic...... I have never heard that a "worker" has admitted this either. But one thing they will do is go back and revise history to suggest that their policies have not changed. Any evidence to the contrary is attibuted to rogue or bad people (Irvine, Cooney, etc.) who had to be dealt with. Or an attempt is made to destroy any written evidence or discount or twist interpretation of memories held.
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Nov 30, 2004 12:55:25 GMT -5
Post by Howard on Nov 30, 2004 12:55:25 GMT -5
Are you kin to Mr. Kauffman in LeMars IA Howard? No I'm not....never heard of him. All my professing relatives are basically in Nebr. although I haven't been to a meeting with them since 1962. I remember a name from that area.....Alink from Minnesota. I was in LeMars Ia. last week though, if that counts ;D You probably know some of the same people that I do. Howard
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Nov 30, 2004 12:57:45 GMT -5
Post by Criminal Charges on Nov 30, 2004 12:57:45 GMT -5
Antenna ripping is criminal tampering with a vehicle or vandalism. Full charges will be pressed!
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Nov 30, 2004 13:10:57 GMT -5
Post by bryan2 on Nov 30, 2004 13:10:57 GMT -5
Antenna ripping is criminal tampering with a vehicle or vandalism. Full charges will be pressed!
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Dec 1, 2004 8:42:26 GMT -5
Post by Maggie on Dec 1, 2004 8:42:26 GMT -5
......Full charges will be pressed!..... Will not!!! Of course it is vandalism! But most owners just slunk away in embarassment and shame, or fumed quietly behind the scenes. I have not heard of anyone pressing charges or even addressing the issue with the guilty "worker". Doesn't mean someone out there didn't though.
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Dec 1, 2004 9:22:42 GMT -5
Post by g on Dec 1, 2004 9:22:42 GMT -5
Howard - You are referring to the Alinks that lived just south outside of Luverne, MN. The father's name was Elmer. Had a squeaky voice. One of the boys is on the convention grounds now in western South Dakota. You aren't from Sioux City are you and have relatives in the Magnolia area of Iowa?I know a few Howards in Iowa, but your writing seems the closest to the Sioux City Howard.
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May 25, 2006 15:08:53 GMT -5
Post by sdfgh on May 25, 2006 15:08:53 GMT -5
Given the shortage of brother workers and the age of the friends
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May 25, 2006 15:58:16 GMT -5
Post by mrleo on May 25, 2006 15:58:16 GMT -5
Although an isolated incident (as far as I know), I will not soon forget the Great Midwestern Walkman Controversy of '84...or was it '85? Radios, record players, stereo systems were pretty much a non-issue in our area and in our home, but when the personal cassette player was introduced to popular culture we were suddenly in danger of plugging directly into Satan himself.
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May 25, 2006 20:29:34 GMT -5
Post by buggaboo on May 25, 2006 20:29:34 GMT -5
Did Walkman actually threaten to displace TV as 2x2s number one buggaboo?
Well, at least with computers, the workers have a more difficult time condemning them....since most of the workers & friends now make use of computers...even my very staunch 2x2, 83 year old mother, sends & receives e-mails, with the workers & friends.
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May 25, 2006 20:52:32 GMT -5
Post by mrleo on May 25, 2006 20:52:32 GMT -5
If other devices that transmitted music were already okay in your area, the Walkman had a foot in the door...it was just a matter of time and persistence. I don't recall it being preached against.
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May 26, 2006 0:28:09 GMT -5
Post by MP3 anyone on May 26, 2006 0:28:09 GMT -5
Freek the workers out with portable MP3 recorders. Record their meetings then publish the speech for all to benefit! Great idea. Then we can just sit at home and listen. Better yet, Have the workers email their sermons in MP3 format so we don't even need to go to meetings. That would be the 2x2's benefit for the gas crunch. Hey, that's worth a vote!
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May 26, 2006 7:24:14 GMT -5
Post by jxr on May 26, 2006 7:24:14 GMT -5
Yeah, worker blogs and rss feeds. Get them into the 21st century.
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May 26, 2006 8:35:39 GMT -5
Post by YTIFB on May 26, 2006 8:35:39 GMT -5
Freek the workers out with portable MP3 recorders.... I deal with commercial surveillance and A/V equipment a lot and its not much of a secret among the f&w. I was approached by a senior worker about 5 years ago and asked if there was anything that could be done to prevent "small recording devices", "listening in devices", and "eavesdropping devices" that could be used to "listen to private conversations" or "record meetings". I told him that about all that could be done was "giving everyone a full-body pat-down before talking to them or letting them enter a meeting" and then told him that even this was far, far from any guarantee. He seemed... thoughtful, in a doubtful sort of way. I've always thought that this exchange was interesting.
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May 26, 2006 8:45:28 GMT -5
Post by amazed on May 26, 2006 8:45:28 GMT -5
If workers are speaking the truth, why would they want to hide it or keep it from being spread by recordings of any kind?
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May 26, 2006 9:06:54 GMT -5
Post by TYBIQW on May 26, 2006 9:06:54 GMT -5
I too was approached but in this case by an ex 2x2 who had a grudge and wanted to see if some incriminating statements could be recorded from some workers or friends. Asked me about recording devices, what is available etc. His intention was to be able to edit the audio files generated to reconstruct statements that were never made by the speaker. I declined to assist.
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May 26, 2006 9:10:15 GMT -5
Post by amazed on May 26, 2006 9:10:15 GMT -5
I agree that it would be wrong for anyone to do that, no matter what the situation but the thought of workers wanting to take control of that is odd to me. I think a little faith would be in order.
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May 26, 2006 9:27:15 GMT -5
Post by Thinkaboutit on May 26, 2006 9:27:15 GMT -5
If workers are speaking the truth, why would they want to hide it or keep it from being spread by recordings of any kind? Well are the canada excom tapes true? Are they happy about them? I'll be those tapes really made the workers THINK. In a wierd way, it kind of took away some of thier power. Not bad IMO.
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May 26, 2006 10:37:26 GMT -5
Post by Terri on May 26, 2006 10:37:26 GMT -5
As pointed out above, its quite possible to edit audio tape. I'de be suspicious of a tape used in this way by either workers or anyone else. I would not be surprised that the Canada tapes were edited in this way.
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May 26, 2006 12:04:52 GMT -5
Post by ilylo on May 26, 2006 12:04:52 GMT -5
If workers are speaking the truth, why would they want to hide it or keep it from being spread by recordings of any kind? The first part of your comment answers the question.
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