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Post by apple on Feb 21, 2011 11:42:38 GMT -5
I've heard a few 2x2s describe themselves as Protestant- and then look down upon the Protestant churches.I've noticed some 2x2s have never said they consider themselves as Protestant but only sneer at non-Protestants.I've heard the occasional 2x2 state they feel they are not Protestant or of any other Christian "group".The workers like to say that the meetings are neither Protestant nor Catholic- possibly to maintain the image of being seperate and above other groups.
But when we look at then the structure of the 2x2 faith, it has a lot of cult characteristics but also has a lot in common with "low" Protestants and Anabaptists:
For an example "low" Protestants tend not to use ritual in their services and their ministers tend to avoid the use of vestments."Low" Protestant ministers do not always have theological training and their buildings tend to be smaller and plainer than other churches.Some of the "low" Protestants would be very serious about modesty in attire.The Anabaptists have church services in members' homes, barns and sometimes in small, plain church buildings that are often serve as schools when not in use.Their ministers are untrained and unpaid, and there is a big focus on modest, plain attire.Anabaptists practise adult baptism, only let those who decide to join the church partake of communion with them and take Romans 12:1-2 very seriously.
So do 2x2s fit under the looser umberella term "Protestant" or are they "neither Protestant nor Catholic"?
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Post by eyedeetentee on Feb 21, 2011 13:03:59 GMT -5
Protestants originated because they separated from the Catholic church - they protested.
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Post by apple on Feb 21, 2011 14:17:20 GMT -5
Protestants originated because they separated from the Catholic church - they protested. Yes, but since the Reformation the term Protestant has become narrower.
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Post by scotswoman on Feb 21, 2011 22:43:15 GMT -5
I think they're more like Wee Frees bit withoot the kirk
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Post by apple on Feb 22, 2011 9:30:36 GMT -5
I think they're more like Wee Frees bit withoot the kirk You mean the Free Pressies?
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Post by scotswoman on Feb 22, 2011 14:21:58 GMT -5
I suppose I div, apple
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Post by emy on Feb 22, 2011 14:59:52 GMT -5
I think they're more like Wee Frees bit withoot the kirk You mean the Free Pressies? Google said the Wee Frees are the Church of Scotland.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2011 16:16:29 GMT -5
There is the Church of Scotland; the Free Church of Scotland; the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland, and a few more. The Wee Frees are the Free Church of Scotland not the Church of Scotland.
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Post by apple on Feb 23, 2011 12:48:58 GMT -5
You mean the Free Pressies? Google said the Wee Frees are the Church of Scotland. The Free Church of Scotland is indepentant from the state, hence the use of the word "free". "..the Free Church owes its distinctive title to its historical struggle to remain “free” from state interference in its internal affairs.." www.freechurch.org/index.php/scotland/aboutus/
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Post by shushy on Feb 23, 2011 14:06:25 GMT -5
I understand the scots presbytarian were the prodestants. Proddy dogs was the term for non catholics.
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Post by irvinegrey on Feb 24, 2011 14:48:17 GMT -5
What puzzles me as an outsider is wy do the workers in Northern Ireland hold missions in Orange Halls? Surely this must alienate a reasonable proportion of the population and certainly does not present a neutral image!
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Post by apple on Feb 24, 2011 15:02:29 GMT -5
What puzzles me as an outsider is wy do the workers in Northern Ireland hold missions in Orange Halls? Surely this must alienate a reasonable proportion of the population and certainly does not present a neutral image! N.Ireland has no middle ground; there are just Protestants and Catholics.The N.I. 2x2s might see themselves as Protestants on account of being slightly closer to the Protestants in beliefs than they are to the Catholics.
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Post by emerald on Feb 25, 2011 8:08:37 GMT -5
What puzzles me as an outsider is wy do the workers in Northern Ireland hold missions in Orange Halls? Surely this must alienate a reasonable proportion of the population and certainly does not present a neutral image! N.Ireland has no middle ground; there are just Protestants and Catholics.The N.I. 2x2s might see themselves as Protestants on account of being slightly closer to the Protestants in beliefs than they are to the Catholics. The 2x2s in the North absolutely see themselves as Protestants. They embrace Protestant culture (Protestant schools for instance) rather than Catholic culture and "outsiders" view them as Protestants. Some workers in the past have tried to address this view within the meetings, but to no avail. In the South however, it's difficult for a mainstream Protestant to maintain a Protestant culture so the lines are more blurred but given the choice of a Protestant school over a Catholic, the friends opt for Protestant every time and most would view themselves as Protestant or perhaps more accurately, NOT Catholic. There has been a move away from Orange Halls in more recent times but often that's all that is available for rent with adequate parking as hotels, leisure centres etc. tend to be busy and noisy. Many years ago the workers would have pitched up in a friend's farmyard with a portable hall but as time wore on they required maintenance so renting premises was easier.
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Post by Claire on Feb 25, 2011 12:45:49 GMT -5
Does calling oneself a Protestant not imply one's church was formed after The Reformation ... ? ... Any time I heard discussion on the topic it was swiftly closed by the logic that The Testimony dated from before such petty squabbles
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 13:29:25 GMT -5
On more than one occasion I heard it stated that it was the Catholic Church which broke away from the Meetings !
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Post by eyedeetentee on Feb 25, 2011 15:49:48 GMT -5
So that's how the Catholics got started! Now I see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 16:09:46 GMT -5
Yeah, they were the original protestants !
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 25, 2011 16:18:02 GMT -5
What puzzles me as an outsider is wy do the workers in Northern Ireland hold missions in Orange Halls? Surely this must alienate a reasonable proportion of the population and certainly does not present a neutral image! Would you please explain: What is an "Orange Hall"?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 18:11:44 GMT -5
Cherie, this link is a good start. For "Orange" read Protestant. It is named after William Prince of Orange (Dutch Protestant prince) from the 17th Century, who at the invitation of the British public made a peaceful invasion of the British Isles to be installed on the throne in place of the Catholic King James VII who was forced to flee abroad. James was the grandfather of the Catholic Bonnie Prince Charlie (the Young Pretender to the throne). The unsuccessful Jacobite rebellions were caused by supporters of the deposed King James/Prince Charlie etc, which were attempts to restore the Catholic house of Stewart to the throne. An Orange Hall is a temple made by human hands in which Protestants who are members of the Orange Order meet. Also known as Orange Lodges. www.orangeorderscotland.com/ps William, Prince of Orange was William III. William from the House of Irvine became William IV. This William was a member of the Kilsyth Orange Lodge ! The House of Irvine sprang from the Dutch House of van Erwyn. Later generations of Irvine's switched their allegiance to the Freemasons.
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Post by apple on Feb 26, 2011 14:59:13 GMT -5
N.Ireland has no middle ground; there are just Protestants and Catholics.The N.I. 2x2s might see themselves as Protestants on account of being slightly closer to the Protestants in beliefs than they are to the Catholics. The 2x2s in the North absolutely see themselves as Protestants. They embrace Protestant culture (Protestant schools for instance) rather than Catholic culture and "outsiders" view them as Protestants. Some workers in the past have tried to address this view within the meetings, but to no avail. In the South however, it's difficult for a mainstream Protestant to maintain a Protestant culture so the lines are more blurred but given the choice of a Protestant school over a Catholic, the friends opt for Protestant every time and most would view themselves as Protestant or perhaps more accurately, NOT Catholic. There has been a move away from Orange Halls in more recent times but often that's all that is available for rent with adequate parking as hotels, leisure centres etc. tend to be busy and noisy. Many years ago the workers would have pitched up in a friend's farmyard with a portable hall but as time wore on they required maintenance so renting premises was easier. The state schools in N.I. are unofficially Protestant and generally the private ones are Catholic, so it's not exactly that the 2x2s choose Protestant schools, they are choosing state schools.If there were Catholic and Protestant state schools it would be interesting to see what one the 2x2 parents would choose for their little darlings. But in rep.Ireland, it is incorrect to say that the 2x2s choose the private Protestant schools nevermind to claim they that they choose Protestant schools every time.The Protestants in rep.Ireland are a minority group, with the Anglicans displaying a siege mentality.Dissenting groups like the 2x2s are seen as weakening the already low Protestant numbers and face the brunt of the Anglican anger (which is ironic really whenever Anglicans qualify as Catholic Lite with generous dollops of snobbery). So if an Irish 2x2 goes to a private (ie- an Anglican school), he/she will often face abuse but if an Irish 2x2 goes to a state (and therefore Catholic) school, he/she is treated kindly as a curious a creature known as a Protestant.I know one 2x2 who was kicked out of an Irish Protestant school for no real reason, it's clear that it was for religious reasons.So no, not all Irish 2x2s go to Protestant schools. Some would, but would hide their faith the best they can.There are teenage 2x2s who actually watch TV outside electrical shops and online so that they can hide their identity and fit in better with their peers.
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Post by emerald on Feb 26, 2011 19:05:50 GMT -5
The 2x2s in the North absolutely see themselves as Protestants. They embrace Protestant culture (Protestant schools for instance) rather than Catholic culture and "outsiders" view them as Protestants. Some workers in the past have tried to address this view within the meetings, but to no avail. In the South however, it's difficult for a mainstream Protestant to maintain a Protestant culture so the lines are more blurred but given the choice of a Protestant school over a Catholic, the friends opt for Protestant every time and most would view themselves as Protestant or perhaps more accurately, NOT Catholic. There has been a move away from Orange Halls in more recent times but often that's all that is available for rent with adequate parking as hotels, leisure centres etc. tend to be busy and noisy. Many years ago the workers would have pitched up in a friend's farmyard with a portable hall but as time wore on they required maintenance so renting premises was easier. The state schools in N.I. are unofficially Protestant and generally the private ones are Catholic, so it's not exactly that the 2x2s choose Protestant schools, they are choosing state schools.If there were Catholic and Protestant state schools it would be interesting to see what one the 2x2 parents would choose for their little darlings. But in rep.Ireland, it is incorrect to say that the 2x2s choose the private Protestant schools nevermind to claim they that they choose Protestant schools every time.The Protestants in rep.Ireland are a minority group, with the Anglicans displaying a siege mentality.Dissenting groups like the 2x2s are seen as weakening the already low Protestant numbers and face the brunt of the Anglican anger (which is ironic really whenever Anglicans qualify as Catholic Lite with generous dollops of snobbery). So if an Irish 2x2 goes to a private (ie- an Anglican school), he/she will often face abuse but if an Irish 2x2 goes to a state (and therefore Catholic) school, he/she is treated kindly as a curious a creature known as a Protestant.I know one 2x2 who was kicked out of an Irish Protestant school for no real reason, it's clear that it was for religious reasons.So no, not all Irish 2x2s go to Protestant schools. Some would, but would hide their faith the best they can.There are teenage 2x2s who actually watch TV outside electrical shops and online so that they can hide their identity and fit in better with their peers. The Catholic schools may not be state schools per se (being under the patronage of various Catholic bishops) in the North, any more than a number of the Protestant schools. Private (or fee-paying) schools are Protestant, not Catholic and as the majority of schools are non-fee-paying, the friends in the North would still never contemplate sending their children to Catholic schools. They choose the Protestant ethos over Catholic as it fits better with their beliefs. In the Republic, given the choice, the friends choose Protestant schools over Catholic. There is one Protestant secondary school in Cork city and the friends travel inconvenient distances to this school, by-passing Catholic schools as their preference is for schooling with a Protestant ethos. I can't understand what you are saying about the Anglican siege mentality. In these parts, the Anglicans are considered inferior to say Presbyterians, Methodists or other mainstream Protestant churches. Any friends I have known that have attended Protestant schools in the Republic have not experienced a siege; most integrate very well and are viewed, as they tend to be in Catholic schools, as a curiosity. That said, where workers in the past have been in an area and preached unsound or ill-advised doctrine, it can leave scars in families and I have known where Protestants of every hue (and Catholics for that matter) persecuted and bullied children of the friends. As for watching television outside electrical shops, that really is an urban legend. They can't get sound therefore the picture is rendered almost useless, unless it's a game of football. Most school-going 2x2s I know watch stuff online and it's got beyond fitting in with school peers - it's to fit on with their 2x2 friends, most of whom are well up to date on 'stenders and Corrie.
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Post by apple on Feb 26, 2011 20:42:36 GMT -5
The state schools in N.I. are unofficially Protestant and generally the private ones are Catholic, so it's not exactly that the 2x2s choose Protestant schools, they are choosing state schools.If there were Catholic and Protestant state schools it would be interesting to see what one the 2x2 parents would choose for their little darlings. But in rep.Ireland, it is incorrect to say that the 2x2s choose the private Protestant schools nevermind to claim they that they choose Protestant schools every time.The Protestants in rep.Ireland are a minority group, with the Anglicans displaying a siege mentality.Dissenting groups like the 2x2s are seen as weakening the already low Protestant numbers and face the brunt of the Anglican anger (which is ironic really whenever Anglicans qualify as Catholic Lite with generous dollops of snobbery). So if an Irish 2x2 goes to a private (ie- an Anglican school), he/she will often face abuse but if an Irish 2x2 goes to a state (and therefore Catholic) school, he/she is treated kindly as a curious a creature known as a Protestant.I know one 2x2 who was kicked out of an Irish Protestant school for no real reason, it's clear that it was for religious reasons.So no, not all Irish 2x2s go to Protestant schools. Some would, but would hide their faith the best they can.There are teenage 2x2s who actually watch TV outside electrical shops and online so that they can hide their identity and fit in better with their peers. The Catholic schools may not be state schools per se (being under the patronage of various Catholic bishops) in the North, any more than a number of the Protestant schools. Private (or fee-paying) schools are Protestant, not Catholic and as the majority of schools are non-fee-paying, the friends in the North would still never contemplate sending their children to Catholic schools. They choose the Protestant ethos over Catholic as it fits better with their beliefs. In the Republic, given the choice, the friends choose Protestant schools over Catholic. There is one Protestant secondary school in Cork city and the friends travel inconvenient distances to this school, by-passing Catholic schools as their preference is for schooling with a Protestant ethos. I can't understand what you are saying about the Anglican siege mentality. In these parts, the Anglicans are considered inferior to say Presbyterians, Methodists or other mainstream Protestant churches. Any friends I have known that have attended Protestant schools in the Republic have not experienced a siege; most integrate very well and are viewed, as they tend to be in Catholic schools, as a curiosity. That said, where workers in the past have been in an area and preached unsound or ill-advised doctrine, it can leave scars in families and I have known where Protestants of every hue (and Catholics for that matter) persecuted and bullied children of the friends. As for watching television outside electrical shops, that really is an urban legend. They can't get sound therefore the picture is rendered almost useless, unless it's a game of football. Most school-going 2x2s I know watch stuff online and it's got beyond fitting in with school peers - it's to fit on witjavascript:add("%20: ")h their 2x2 friends, most of whom are well up to date on 'stenders and Corrie. Watching TV inside electrical stores did happen!I am not a teenager but when I was, this kind of thing went on.The teenage 2x2s now have laptops, internet and DVDs, I didn't.I was in my late teens when that kind of thing started.Today, 2x2s watch DVDs together and openly discuss various shows - and then look down at those who own TVs.. There is also a rumour doing the rounds that the 2x2 teens in Ireland are experimenting with drugs.It wouldn't surprise me at all if I found out it was true. Anyway, the 2x2s do tend to mix more with Protestants, indeed most 2x2s are of Protestant descent but if they had an option in more segregated societies in N.I. of the choice between attending a Protestant state school and a Catholic state school (instead of paying for a Catholic school) would they all choose Protestant?I would say most would, but in Ireland if they had the choice without having to pay extra for private schooling it could well be different. I know 2x2 people in Ireland who are ignored by some of their neighbours on account of being Protestant and at the same time ignored by most of the Protestants for not being Protestant.Some of the Catholics in Ireland seem to think of the Protestants as outsiders and treat them so, and to be fair, it's expected considering the history.Somehow it's the Irish Anglicans who are generally the nastiest, whereas the Irish Catholics know that Irish Protestants are a tiny group and so are harmless.They have no need to hassle the Protestants.In Cork, it could be the Anglicans are a tiny minority and therefore less troublesome.The only reason I can think of why Irish Anglicans are so aggressive towards their local 2x2s would be that many of their people converted to the meetings and this decreased their numbers further. I agree that the workers stir up a lot of trouble for 2x2s and then move on, leaving the local 2x2s to deal with the bad smell the workers left behind.It would help if the workers stopped loudly condemning all the other churches.
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Post by apple on Feb 26, 2011 20:51:05 GMT -5
Does calling oneself a Protestant not imply one's church was formed after The Reformation ... ? ...
Any time I heard discussion on the topic it was swiftly closed by the logic that The Testimony dated from before such petty squabbles Excellent question! Yes and no, would be my answer. We all know the meetings began over 100 years ago well after the Reformation so that ends that idea.However a Christian movement formed after the Reformation is not always Protestant in belief or doctrine, or formed as a protest at the Catholic church. The Anabaptist movement began after the Reformation but they didn't protest the Catholics and share little in common with the Protestants and nothing in common with the Catholics.Some incorrectly label them Protestant but actually they are a different group who formed the same time as the Protestants.The same may apply to the meetings.
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Post by Claire on Feb 27, 2011 6:22:12 GMT -5
Does calling oneself a Protestant not imply one's church was formed after The Reformation ... ? ...
Any time I heard discussion on the topic it was swiftly closed by the logic that The Testimony dated from before such petty squabbles Excellent question! Yes and no, would be my answer. We all know the meetings began over 100 years ago well after the Reformation so that ends that idea.However a Christian movement formed after the Reformation is not always Protestant in belief or doctrine, or formed as a protest at the Catholic church. The Anabaptist movement began after the Reformation but they didn't protest the Catholics and share little in common with the Protestants and nothing in common with the Catholics.Some incorrectly label them Protestant but actually they are a different group who formed the same time as the Protestants.The same may apply to the meetings. Thanks for the info. The question was rhetorical, by the way
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Post by Claire on Feb 27, 2011 6:34:19 GMT -5
Watching TV inside electrical stores did happen!I am not a teenager but when I was, this kind of thing went on.The teenage 2x2s now have laptops, internet and DVDs, I didn't.I was in my late teens when that kind of thing started.Today, 2x2s watch DVDs together and openly discuss various shows - and then look down at those who own TVs.. There is also a rumour doing the rounds that the 2x2 teens in Ireland are experimenting with drugs.It wouldn't surprise me at all if I found out it was true. Anyway, the 2x2s do tend to mix more with Protestants, indeed most 2x2s are of Protestant descent but if they had an option in more segregated societies in N.I. of the choice between attending a Protestant state school and a Catholic state school (instead of paying for a Catholic school) would they all choose Protestant?I would say most would, but in Ireland if they had the choice without having to pay extra for private schooling it could well be different. I know 2x2 people in Ireland who are ignored by some of their neighbours on account of being Protestant and at the same time ignored by most of the Protestants for not being Protestant.Some of the Catholics in Ireland seem to think of the Protestants as outsiders and treat them so, and to be fair, it's expected considering the history.Somehow it's the Irish Anglicans who are generally the nastiest, whereas the Irish Catholics know that Irish Protestants are a tiny group and so are harmless.They have no need to hassle the Protestants.In Cork, it could be the Anglicans are a tiny minority and therefore less troublesome.The only reason I can think of why Irish Anglicans are so aggressive towards their local 2x2s would be that many of their people converted to the meetings and this decreased their numbers further. I agree that the workers stir up a lot of trouble for 2x2s and then move on, leaving the local 2x2s to deal with the bad smell the workers left behind.It would help if the workers stopped loudly condemning all the other churches. I wasn't aware that attending a Catholic school in N Ireland meant one had to pay for it. I only have my childhood in N Ireland as reference, but had I wanted to attend Mount Lourdes in Enniskillen (rather than the state's Collegiate) I didn't realise fee payment would have been necessary. What I can easily imagine is the scandal it would have created ...
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Post by apple on Feb 27, 2011 8:19:58 GMT -5
Watching TV inside electrical stores did happen!I am not a teenager but when I was, this kind of thing went on.The teenage 2x2s now have laptops, internet and DVDs, I didn't.I was in my late teens when that kind of thing started.Today, 2x2s watch DVDs together and openly discuss various shows - and then look down at those who own TVs.. There is also a rumour doing the rounds that the 2x2 teens in Ireland are experimenting with drugs.It wouldn't surprise me at all if I found out it was true. Anyway, the 2x2s do tend to mix more with Protestants, indeed most 2x2s are of Protestant descent but if they had an option in more segregated societies in N.I. of the choice between attending a Protestant state school and a Catholic state school (instead of paying for a Catholic school) would they all choose Protestant?I would say most would, but in Ireland if they had the choice without having to pay extra for private schooling it could well be different. I know 2x2 people in Ireland who are ignored by some of their neighbours on account of being Protestant and at the same time ignored by most of the Protestants for not being Protestant.Some of the Catholics in Ireland seem to think of the Protestants as outsiders and treat them so, and to be fair, it's expected considering the history.Somehow it's the Irish Anglicans who are generally the nastiest, whereas the Irish Catholics know that Irish Protestants are a tiny group and so are harmless.They have no need to hassle the Protestants.In Cork, it could be the Anglicans are a tiny minority and therefore less troublesome.The only reason I can think of why Irish Anglicans are so aggressive towards their local 2x2s would be that many of their people converted to the meetings and this decreased their numbers further. I agree that the workers stir up a lot of trouble for 2x2s and then move on, leaving the local 2x2s to deal with the bad smell the workers left behind.It would help if the workers stopped loudly condemning all the other churches. I wasn't aware that attending a Catholic school in N Ireland meant one had to pay for it. I only have my childhood in N Ireland as reference, but had I wanted to attend Mount Lourdes in Enniskillen (rather than the state's Collegiate) I didn't realise fee payment would have been necessary. What I can easily imagine is the scandal it would have created ... I'm not entirely certain about the N.I. Catholic schools, according to N.I. 2x2 friends some Catholics schools are fee paying and others are not.It's all very confusing. "There are 533 Roman Catholic-managed schools in Northern Ireland...Although integrated education is expanding, Northern Ireland has a highly-segregated education system, with 95% of pupils attending either a maintained (Catholic) school or a controlled school (mostly Protestant). Controlled schools are open to children of all faiths and none, as are Catholic schools (Catholic describes the way the school is run but the students do not have to be Roman Catholic to attend)." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Northern_Ireland
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Post by emerald on Feb 27, 2011 8:31:15 GMT -5
Watching TV inside electrical stores did happen!I am not a teenager but when I was, this kind of thing went on.The teenage 2x2s now have laptops, internet and DVDs, I didn't.I was in my late teens when that kind of thing started.Today, 2x2s watch DVDs together and openly discuss various shows - and then look down at those who own TVs.. There is also a rumour doing the rounds that the 2x2 teens in Ireland are experimenting with drugs.It wouldn't surprise me at all if I found out it was true. Anyway, the 2x2s do tend to mix more with Protestants, indeed most 2x2s are of Protestant descent but if they had an option in more segregated societies in N.I. of the choice between attending a Protestant state school and a Catholic state school (instead of paying for a Catholic school) would they all choose Protestant?I would say most would, but in Ireland if they had the choice without having to pay extra for private schooling it could well be different. I know 2x2 people in Ireland who are ignored by some of their neighbours on account of being Protestant and at the same time ignored by most of the Protestants for not being Protestant.Some of the Catholics in Ireland seem to think of the Protestants as outsiders and treat them so, and to be fair, it's expected considering the history.Somehow it's the Irish Anglicans who are generally the nastiest, whereas the Irish Catholics know that Irish Protestants are a tiny group and so are harmless.They have no need to hassle the Protestants.In Cork, it could be the Anglicans are a tiny minority and therefore less troublesome.The only reason I can think of why Irish Anglicans are so aggressive towards their local 2x2s would be that many of their people converted to the meetings and this decreased their numbers further. I agree that the workers stir up a lot of trouble for 2x2s and then move on, leaving the local 2x2s to deal with the bad smell the workers left behind.It would help if the workers stopped loudly condemning all the other churches. I wasn't aware that attending a Catholic school in N Ireland meant one had to pay for it. I only have my childhood in N Ireland as reference, but had I wanted to attend Mount Lourdes in Enniskillen (rather than the state's Collegiate) I didn't realise fee payment would have been necessary. What I can easily imagine is the scandal it would have created ... Sigh... Catholic schools and Protestant schools in the North are (bar a few such as Rockport or Campbell (Protestant) are non fee-paying. Schools such as the Collegiate, Portora etc. are funded by the state as is Mount Lourdes but as with Mount Lourdes which is under the patronage of a Catholic bishop, Portora (and the other Royal Schools) the Collegiate etc. are nominally under the patronage of the CoI. I understand there are a few schools in Co Antrim that are nominally under the patronage of the Presbyterian church and Friends School in Lisburn is nominally under the patronage of The Society of Friends (not to be confused with the 2x2s!) commonly known as the Quakers. Methodist College in Belfast is obviously under the patronage of the Methodist church. None of this alters the fact that without exception (that I've heard of anyway) the friends send their children to Protestant schools. As the schools are free, the payment of fees is not an issue that influences their choice. Now factor this in when one considers in the South that a large number of wives have been shipped down from the North. With their Protestant culture and inclinations firmly embedded in them, it is natural that if at all possible, they'll opt to send any offspring to whatever Protestant school is within reach. Obviously it's not always possible due to distances to educate their children in Protestant schools, but it doesn't affect the notion that they associate themselves more with the Protestants and consider themselves Protestant (or as mentioned before, NOT Catholic). I've not ever heard anyone within the meetings sneer at others for possessing a television. Perhaps if someone within the meetings had one they may but most 2x2s I mix with have more on their minds than to worry about their neighbour's 50" plasma screen. And it has to be said, if the same neighbour invites them around to watch the Royal Wedding at the end of April, they'll be there like a shot and glued to their seats. I'm still mystified by the assertions that the CoI persecute the 2x2s. There's always been a healthy respect (aside from the issue of workers preaching bad doctrine) and acceptance anywhere I've encountered them. I would say Anglicans are more populous in Cork than any other Protestant churches - the Presbyterian and Methodist presence is very small indeed.
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Post by apple on Feb 27, 2011 11:41:32 GMT -5
Sigh... Catholic schools and Protestant schools in the North are (bar a few such as Rockport or Campbell (Protestant) are non fee-paying. Schools such as the Collegiate, Portora etc. are funded by the state as is Mount Lourdes but as with Mount Lourdes which is under the patronage of a Catholic bishop, Portora (and the other Royal Schools) the Collegiate etc. are nominally under the patronage of the CoI. I understand there are a few schools in Co Antrim that are nominally under the patronage of the Presbyterian church and Friends School in Lisburn is nominally under the patronage of The Society of Friends (not to be confused with the 2x2s!) commonly known as the Quakers. Methodist College in Belfast is obviously under the patronage of the Methodist church. S-o those N.I. 2x2s who told me that some Catholic schools were fee paying were wrong? Now factor this in when one considers in the South that a large number of wives have been shipped down from the North. With their Protestant culture and inclinations firmly embedded in them, it is natural that if at all possible, they'll opt to send any offspring to whatever Protestant school is within reach. Obviously it's not always possible due to distances to educate their children in Protestant schools, but it doesn't affect the notion that they associate themselves more with the Protestants and consider themselves Protestant (or as mentioned before, NOT Catholic). An excellent suggestion- and very valid. I've not ever heard anyone within the meetings sneer at others for possessing a television. Perhaps if someone within the meetings had one they may but most 2x2s I mix with have more on their minds than to worry about their neighbour's 50" plasma screen. And it has to be said, if the same neighbour invites them around to watch the Royal Wedding at the end of April, they'll be there like a shot and glued to their seats. Come on now, the worldly sin of the TV is a favoured topic amongst the 2x2s.They sneer at outsiders, label them worldly for owning TVs and wearing trousers, and woe be tide any 2x2 escapee who gets a TV!Tongues start wagging then from one old biddy's phone in one area to anothers' in another area about the sinfulness of that person.There is such a smug attitude of "we are better than them because we don't have TVs and because we have the true way" and the workers promote the message that TV ownership equals a lost and sinful mind.They joyfully preach about those who "lost their way", got a TV, didn't listen to workers' warnings (threats) and died tragicly repenting leaving the meetings on their deathbed and lamenting it was "too late". Of course if a neighbour invites them to watch a show, they have no qualms- and said neighbour isn't sneered at as much for having a TV anymore.
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