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Post by sharonw on May 6, 2012 9:46:43 GMT -5
Yes, he left me high and dry, working on my own. We had to change our name. Now they call us the 1x1s. Is that kind of like a whole one in one? Otherwise you were a part of 2x2?
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Post by calleduntoliberty on May 31, 2012 21:09:42 GMT -5
"Look in the car, honey -- I don't think we brought them in" LOL!!! I'm not the only one who did this, yay! I am amazed at how differently I feel about the scriptures since learning the truth about Jesus and Grace. I feel a fondness, desire and intimacy for my bible now, that I didn't have in the 20+ years I marched the march. The difference between Jesus and religion, I guess. I am not saying all professing people don't love thier bibles, I am merely stating my experience. Are you saying that all professing people don't know the truth about Jesus and Grace?
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Post by melissa71 on Jun 1, 2012 16:50:11 GMT -5
"Look in the car, honey -- I don't think we brought them in" LOL!!! I'm not the only one who did this, yay! I am amazed at how differently I feel about the scriptures since learning the truth about Jesus and Grace. I feel a fondness, desire and intimacy for my bible now, that I didn't have in the 20+ years I marched the march. The difference between Jesus and religion, I guess. I am not saying all professing people don't love thier bibles, I am merely stating my experience. Are you saying that all professing people don't know the truth about Jesus and Grace? I can't speak for breakingfree -- but in my experience, very few of the 2x2's understand grace or who Jesus really is or what He did for us or why the gospel message IS good news, etc. I certainly didn't when I was a 2x2. I do now, however -- and wow -- grace IS amazing!!
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Post by emy on Jun 1, 2012 17:37:40 GMT -5
Are you saying that all professing people don't know the truth about Jesus and Grace? I can't speak for breakingfree -- but in my experience, very few of the 2x2's understand grace or who Jesus really is or what He did for us or why the gospel message IS good news, etc. I certainly didn't when I was a 2x2. I do now, however -- and wow -- grace IS amazing!! Please start a new thread on the main board and explain it all to us who are still in the dark.
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Jun 2, 2012 0:11:59 GMT -5
Are you saying that all professing people don't know the truth about Jesus and Grace? I can't speak for breakingfree -- but in my experience, very few of the 2x2's understand grace or who Jesus really is or what He did for us or why the gospel message IS good news, etc. I certainly didn't when I was a 2x2. I do now, however -- and wow -- grace IS amazing!! A lot of the former attendees like yourself, who happened to learn the true gospel around the time you left (according to you), seem to share a similar feeling. I wonder if you are largely projecting your own thoughts and beliefs onto others, on the assumption that everyone around you was like yourself. It doesn't seem like you were in much of a position to accurately judge others' beliefs at the time -- considering that you (by your own testimony) didn't know the true gospel, you couldn't possibly be a very good judge of how others' beliefs measured up to it.
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Post by apple on Jun 2, 2012 12:01:24 GMT -5
I can't speak for breakingfree -- but in my experience, very few of the 2x2's understand grace or who Jesus really is or what He did for us or why the gospel message IS good news, etc. I certainly didn't when I was a 2x2. I do now, however -- and wow -- grace IS amazing!! A lot of the former attendees like yourself, who happened to learn the true gospel around the time you left (according to you), seem to share a similar feeling. I wonder if you are largely projecting your own thoughts and beliefs onto others, on the assumption that everyone around you was like yourself. It doesn't seem like you were in much of a position to accurately judge others' beliefs at the time -- considering that you (by your own testimony) didn't know the true gospel, you couldn't possibly be a very good judge of how others' beliefs measured up to it. Well, from my experience I found that very few in the meetings knew Jesus through bible studies and biblical discussions with them. I was not projecting my feelings over reality or assuming things based on how things were for me. For me to say that the majority of the people I knew in the meetings did not know who Jesus is and do not understand the liberating nature of the gospel is simply facts based on conversations and reactions towards the trinity. Judging by the confusion surrounding Jesus on online meetings forums, this seems to be the case worldwide too. For instance: there are people here who believe that Jesus is part of the trinity, people here who believe that Jesus was a holy man later chosen by God to sacrifice Himself to "show the way", people here who believe that Jesus started life as an ordinary man and was later made holy by God and people who believe that Jesus was a good man whose work is being continued by the workers.
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Post by emy on Jun 2, 2012 15:17:33 GMT -5
A lot of the former attendees like yourself, who happened to learn the true gospel around the time you left (according to you), seem to share a similar feeling. I wonder if you are largely projecting your own thoughts and beliefs onto others, on the assumption that everyone around you was like yourself. It doesn't seem like you were in much of a position to accurately judge others' beliefs at the time -- considering that you (by your own testimony) didn't know the true gospel, you couldn't possibly be a very good judge of how others' beliefs measured up to it. Well, from my experience I found that very few in the meetings knew Jesus through bible studies and biblical discussions with them. I was not projecting my feelings over reality or assuming things based on how things were for me. For me to say that the majority of the people I knew in the meetings did not know who Jesus is and do not understand the liberating nature of the gospel is simply facts based on conversations and reactions towards the trinity. Judging by the confusion surrounding Jesus on online meetings forums, this seems to be the case worldwide too. For instance: there are people here who believe that Jesus is part of the trinity, people here who believe that Jesus was a holy man later chosen by God to sacrifice Himself to "show the way", people here who believe that Jesus started life as an ordinary man and was later made holy by God and people who believe that Jesus was a good man whose work is being continued by the workers. You forgot to mention the many (f&w) people who believe that Jesus is the Son of God (as opposed to God, the Son).
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Jun 3, 2012 15:47:20 GMT -5
You forgot to mention the many (f&w) people who believe that Jesus is the Son of God (as opposed to God, the Son). "The Son of God" is not opposed to "God, the Son". All Christians believe that Jesus is both the Son of God and God, the Son.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Jun 3, 2012 16:03:34 GMT -5
You forgot to mention the many (f&w) people who believe that Jesus is the Son of God (as opposed to God, the Son). "The Son of God" is not opposed to "God, the Son". All Christians believe that Jesus is both the Son of God and God, the Son. You have got to be one of the . . . . Are you . . . How can you be so . . . . Hmm.
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Post by pauper on Jun 25, 2012 20:48:16 GMT -5
-did you dye your hair purple and pierce your nose? Not a chance! I never even had pierced ears before going to meeting. I always felt that if God wanted me to have holes in my ears, I would’ve been born with holes in my ears to match the one in my head. -did you get counseling? No, but for a while I thought I might need to -did you feel lost? Yes; it was hard to shake the idea that the F&W fellowship is the one true way to eternal life, even though it had become so evident to me that it's just another false way. -did your family and friends avoid you? No. None of my family went to meetings anyway. I’m still friends with some in the F&W fellowship. One woman stopped communicating with me, though, when I told her that the same corruption in the Catholic church also exists in the F&W fellowship (after she started criticizing the Catholic church for that reason) -did you cut your hair? No -did you send your meeting clothes to a charity shop? No -did you smoke pot for a while (and forget to wash yourself)? No; never have smoked pot or felt a need to -did you try to get others to leave too? I’ve shared what I learned about the F&W fellowship with others and invited them (including the workers) to services at the church I now attend. -did you feel relief? Definitely! I had been so confused by the inconsistencies that I was relieved to know that the F&W fellowship is NOT the way of salvation; but, I still struggled to expunge the idea that it is completely from my mind. -did you enjoy not being at conventions and meetings? In a way, I missed going to convention and special meetings although I had no desire to attend, if that makes any sense. It just felt so odd not going. I was so glad, though, I didn’t have to speak any more on Sunday morning. -did you dump your hymn book in the attic? No. I like most of the hymns (except the one about the workers, which I believe to be totally inappropriate). -did you church hop for a few years? Not years; only for a few months. I had started researching other churches on the Internet while still going to meeting. I attended three different congregations before settling on one. -did you join the Baptists? No. I’d been in a few Baptist churches, including the one I grew up in, before going to meeting. It was one of the options I researched on the Internet, but I didn’t agree with all of the Baptist doctrine. -did you write an exit letter for your family? No. There was no need to since no one in my family went to meeting. I did have discussions with family members about why I wasn’t going to meeting any more. I think it was a good opportunity to talk to them about the Gospel. -did you go to the cinema? No. In the two years before I started going to meeting (when I was around 30), I only went to see two movies - both animated films. I was never that interested in movies and television. I didn’t make a lot of changes in my life after I left meeting. I believe the Bible, and I love God and His Son, so I didn’t leave the fellowship out of rebellion against them but because I was uncomfortable with the unscriptural beliefs promoted within the fellowship. I’d begun to realize that the fellowship’s basic doctrine wasn’t even biblical, and beyond that there was no accepted doctrine. I noticed passages in the Bible that contradicted the basic beliefs of the fellowship and realized that we had been programmed to ignore those verses because to acknowledge them would be to confute the sanctity of the fellowship and its ministry. One change I have made is listening to Gospel radio in my car, or playing a CD. The church I now attend has made recordings of members singing hymns, and preachers delivering sermons. At first, the idea of making such recordings seemed a bit shocking. I don’t think recording equipment was permitted at conventions and special meetings. I now wonder if that’s to make it more convenient to change beliefs, or so that inconsistencies in teaching won’t be evident. I know of people who took notes and even recorded sermons in shorthand, but it’s much easier to deny that something was spoken by challenging a writer’s hearing than by challenging the voice of the actual speaker. I now also wonder whether the fellowship discourages reading and listening to religious materials by “outsiders” because they might reveal erroneous beliefs.
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Post by Mary on Jun 26, 2012 4:43:59 GMT -5
You forgot to mention the many (f&w) people who believe that Jesus is the Son of God (as opposed to God, the Son). "The Son of God" is not opposed to "God, the Son". All Christians believe that Jesus is both the Son of God and God, the Son. Most friends and workers do not believe that Jesus is God the Son. To believe that is to believe in the trinity. How can the F&Ws know about God's grace when a gospel of works is preached. Many do not hear the true Gospel preached until they leave and started attending other churches. Like apple I found many in the F&Ws do not know the true Jesus.
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Post by eh? on Jun 26, 2012 21:14:32 GMT -5
Like apple I found many in the F&Ws do not know the true Jesus. ... sounds a little 'exclusive' to me ... (If you don't know MY Jesus, you don't know the true Jesus)
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Post by snow on Jun 27, 2012 16:13:29 GMT -5
Like apple I found many in the F&Ws do not know the true Jesus. ... sounds a little 'exclusive' to me ... (If you don't know MY Jesus, you don't know the true Jesus) I really don't think anyone knows the 'true' Jesus, whatever that might be.
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Post by msmary on Nov 24, 2012 12:56:50 GMT -5
I have been hearing a different message this year: that works won't bring salvation, there is more love mentioned and nothing about rules like had been reinforced in the past. When disagreeing with another try to get closer to Jesus rather than argue. I too have embraced the doctrine of grace (thanks to Les Feldick), and realize it is letting the spirit do the work is the only way to get closer to God.
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Post by guitar on Nov 24, 2012 13:58:20 GMT -5
Was Jesus exclusive?
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Post by breakingfree on Dec 4, 2012 1:00:03 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by seeker on Dec 18, 2012 14:19:47 GMT -5
I just joined this site and this is my first post. I left the meetings when they died for me. I miss the meetings I went to where Christ was lifted up and the message had life and light. It's a long story of why I left. Suffice it to say I decided I did not want to be associated with a group who engaged in public humiliation (young girl got pregnant) and I got tired of dragging myself to dead meetings where parrots had taken over the preaching. I do miss truth though and I still love God. My outward appearance has changed but that isn't the important thing to me. Thanks for the opportunity to hear and speak my mind!
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Post by StAnne on Dec 18, 2012 14:33:07 GMT -5
Hi and welcome, seeker.
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Post by Child of God on Aug 17, 2013 17:58:52 GMT -5
I just joined this site and this is my first post. I left the meetings when they died for me. I miss the meetings I went to where Christ was lifted up and the message had life and light. It's a long story of why I left. Suffice it to say I decided I did not want to be associated with a group who engaged in public humiliation (young girl got pregnant) and I got tired of dragging myself to dead meetings where parrots had taken over the preaching. I do miss truth though and I still love God. My outward appearance has changed but that isn't the important thing to me. Thanks for the opportunity to hear and speak my mind! Welcome.... just a comment about the dying meeting.... I will say my experience is that I get out of it what I put into it. The more time I spend with my Bible during the week... the more bread I get from going to meeting.... So I don't think I would put as much emphasis on others spirituality as my own.
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Post by rose62 on Oct 7, 2013 20:18:00 GMT -5
did you dye your hair purple and pierce your nose? Not immediately, wasn't first of my list, but later a bit of burgundy was very fun later on. Pierced my ears and bought a college class ring. -did you get counseling? Not about meetings. -did you feel lost? No, was found. -did your family and friends avoid you? No -did you cut your hair? I had been playing with different cuts and lengths for some time anyway. My hair texture gave me a bit of flexibility -did you send your meeting clothes to a charity shop? Nah, I did experiment when I next had to shop for clothes. -did you smoke pot for a while (and forget to wash yourself)? No Started taking better care of myself, actually. -did you try to get others to leave too? No -did you feel relief? yes -did you enjoy not being at conventions and meetings? I really enjoyed the last convention I went to, but I knew it would be the last one, and it was very meditative. I have gone to different retreats, from 12 step to Roman Catholic. They are fine, too. I don't miss anything. -did you dump your hymn book in the attic? No, still have my books -did you church hop for a few years? No -did you join the Baptists? No -did you write an exit letter for your family? No -did you go to the cinema? No, I was too busy in college anyway.
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Post by Brandon Miller on Jan 1, 2014 21:23:41 GMT -5
-did you dye your hair purple and pierce your nose? Nope -did you get counselling? Nope -did you feel lost? The opposite -did your family and friends avoid you? Most of the friends, not all -did you cut your hair? Yes, like normal -did you send your meeting clothes to a charity shop? Nope -did you smoke pot for a while (and forget to wash yourself)? Nope -did you try to get others to leave too? I am shedding light on the heretical false doctrines and leaving the rest up to God -did you feel relief? Absolutely! -did you enjoy not being at conventions and meetings? Yes -did you dump your hymn book in the attic? Not in the attic--I'm too lazy to make a trip all the way up there for that -did you church hop for a few years? Nope--I attend an Evangelical Free Church -did you join the Baptists? Join them? I can have fellowship with them, but I didn't join them. Why are they being singled out? -did you write an exit letter for your family? For family and all who want to read it -did you go to the cinema? I did before and continue to (from time to time) God has been very good to me! God bless! Brandon
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 18:49:37 GMT -5
Dear Apple, About this washing business. Only dirty people wash. Simple.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 15:38:26 GMT -5
i have been in and out of the truth over a 38 year period i came back in 1998 as God kept calling me back everytime i left i wont leave this time around time is too short for that...
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Post by rational on Mar 11, 2014 14:29:51 GMT -5
i have been in and out of the truth over a 38 year period i came back in 1998 as God kept calling me back everytime i left i wont leave this time around time is too short for that... So you are sticking to your beliefs because you feel death is near? Sort of a deathbed belief?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 14:31:09 GMT -5
no, end of times belief
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Post by rational on Mar 11, 2014 14:33:54 GMT -5
Same result - fearing the boat will sink you don the life vest. Fearing the end you become a true believer. Will that fool your god? It is like Pascal's wager - believe in god to cover the possibilities.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 22:23:04 GMT -5
Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
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Post by rational on Mar 12, 2014 7:20:29 GMT -5
Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Oh, I think god is, at times, mocked and has been since the development of the concept of a paranormal being.
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