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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Oct 25, 2010 12:47:34 GMT -5
Just wondering what people understand about this. When God took a rib from Adam, did he separate him into male and female? Was Adam "in the image of God" (neither male nor female) before the surgery? Did we choose our destiny not when Eve ate the apple but when Adam rejected all the animals God proposed for a mate and required that God split him into two beings bent on sinning with each other? (perhaps trying desperately to get back together???)
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Post by lauri on Oct 25, 2010 13:08:30 GMT -5
um, I think he was just a myth, actually...
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Post by Gene on Oct 25, 2010 13:44:58 GMT -5
um, I think he was just a myth, actually... Ummm.... he may have been a myth before Eve came along, but after that, he wath a mythter.
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Post by lauri on Oct 25, 2010 14:01:26 GMT -5
lol gene
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Oct 25, 2010 15:54:58 GMT -5
Read Genesis 5: 2 . If you can't find it ,it's the first book in the bible.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Oct 25, 2010 18:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by Annan on Oct 25, 2010 19:28:21 GMT -5
Just wondering what people understand about this. When God took a rib from Adam, did he separate him into male and female? Was Adam "in the image of God" (neither male nor female) before the surgery? Did we choose our destiny not when Eve ate the apple but when Adam rejected all the animals God proposed for a mate and required that God split him into two beings bent on sinning with each other? (perhaps trying desperately to get back together???) Now there's food for thought. It makes no sense that God would not recognize that Adam would need a mate of his own form and intelligence. Unless God felt that Adam's relationship with God himself would be enough to sustain Adam.
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Post by rational on Oct 26, 2010 0:00:32 GMT -5
Now there's food for thought. It makes no sense that God would not recognize that Adam would need a mate of his own form and intelligence. Unless God felt that Adam's relationship with God himself would be enough to sustain Adam. Here is more food - why wouldn't an omniscient paranormal being know that Adam needed a mate? I mean, the other animals were male and female so god knew about sex. Seems like the plan was to withhold it from humans.
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Post by jimmy on Oct 26, 2010 4:23:41 GMT -5
I really doubt it possible that the all knowing, all powerful God made a mistake. I believe it was in his plan to make man and then make woman to be the bride of man. Just as there is christ and God is wanting to make us part of the bride of christ by putting part of christ (his spirit) within us and making us cleave to and be one with christ.
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Post by rational on Oct 26, 2010 10:36:51 GMT -5
I really doubt it possible that the all knowing, all powerful God made a mistake. I believe it was in his plan to make man and then make woman to be the bride of man. Unfortunately that is not exactly what the record shows. Some of the activities from the 6th day of creation: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.Then later on, after day 7: Andthe LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. So what do you think? God forgot s/he had already created the female? She got lost in the garden? Eaten by one of the carnivores? Not up to Adam's standards? God is really a female and female #1 was too attractive and there was a bit of jealousy? I'm sure there most be an explanation!
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Post by StAnne on Oct 26, 2010 11:59:42 GMT -5
I really doubt it possible that the all knowing, all powerful God made a mistake. I believe it was in his plan to make man and then make woman to be the bride of man. Unfortunately that is not exactly what the record shows. Some of the activities from the 6th day of creation: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.Then later on, after day 7: Andthe LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. So what do you think? God forgot s/he had already created the female? She got lost in the garden? Eaten by one of the carnivores? Not up to Adam's standards? God is really a female and female #1 was too attractive and there was a bit of jealousy? I'm sure there most be an explanation! Haydock... Ver. 27. Male and female. Eve was taken from Adam's side on this same day, though it be related in the following chapter. Ver. 21. A deep sleep. Septuagint, "an ecstacy," or mysterious sleep, in which Adam was apprised of the meaning of what was done, and how the Church would be taken from the side of Christ, expiring on the cross. (Menochius) Ver. 24. One flesh, connected by the closest ties of union, producing children, the blood of both. St. Paul, Ephesians v. 23, discloses to us the mystery of Christ's union with his church for ever, prefigured by this indissoluble marriage of our first parents. (Calmet)
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Post by Annan on Oct 26, 2010 12:32:30 GMT -5
So what do you think? God forgot s/he had already created the female? She got lost in the garden? Eaten by one of the carnivores? Not up to Adam's standards? God is really a female and female #1 was too attractive and there was a bit of jealousy? I'm sure there most be an explanation! Now I'm sure you know the myth about Lilith, Adam's first wife.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Oct 26, 2010 13:34:58 GMT -5
I think he was the first postal worker, A male man!
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Post by rational on Oct 26, 2010 16:07:46 GMT -5
Haydock... Ver. 27. Male and female. Eve was taken from Adam's side on this same day, though it be related in the following chapter. There was no special treatment for Eve on day 6. Just like the rest of the animals, they were created male and female. Of course, that does not take into account the animals that do not come in male and female varieties. Bottom line - it is a belief.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Oct 26, 2010 17:22:35 GMT -5
dunno how serious you are, rational, but just in case...there are two creation stories in Genesis, and you crossed the border between the two.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 17:35:00 GMT -5
My take on this is that Adam was the first man to have God's breath of life, whatever that means. This could have been to impart the spirit - who knows. But there are two salient points: 1 - life preceded Adam, and did not have this breath of God 2 - Adam had two sons, one of which went out and married into another tribe.
It can't just be "myth", more likely it is SYMBOLIC. No "myth" could have told us that the world was once oceanic, that the earth was under a cloud deck, that continents rose afterwards, that life came out of the sea, and man was the last thing to appear to earth.
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Post by rational on Oct 26, 2010 19:45:04 GMT -5
dunno how serious you are, rational, but just in case...there are two creation stories in Genesis, and you crossed the border between the two. That is your belief. As you can see, StAnne is working hard to make it into a single story that does not contradict itself. Personally, I don't think it is even a good creation myth!
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Post by rational on Oct 26, 2010 20:45:54 GMT -5
It can't just be "myth", more likely it is SYMBOLIC. No "myth" could have told us that the world was once oceanic, that the earth was under a cloud deck, that continents rose afterwards, that life came out of the sea, and man was the last thing to appear to earth. Why do you think man was the last species to appear?
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Post by StAnne on Oct 26, 2010 20:53:59 GMT -5
dunno how serious you are, rational, but just in case...there are two creation stories in Genesis, and you crossed the border between the two. That is your belief. As you can see, StAnne is working hard to make it into a single story that does not contradict itself. Personally, I don't think it is even a good creation myth! I'm pretty sure you'll get to stand before God someday and give him your version as you think it ought to be. Me, I get the gist of it. The Creator created ( "in our image"...hmmm), "male and female He created them", breathed His breath into our nostrils, and said "it is good." Literally or figuratively. Either way. It's good enough for me. I get it.
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Oct 26, 2010 21:11:52 GMT -5
My take on this is that Adam was the first man to have God's breath of life, whatever that means. This could have been to impart the spirit - who knows. But there are two salient points: 1 - life preceded Adam, and did not have this breath of God 2 - Adam had two sons, one of which went out and married into another tribe. It can't just be "myth", more likely it is SYMBOLIC. No "myth" could have told us that the world was once oceanic, that the earth was under a cloud deck, that continents rose afterwards, that life came out of the sea, and man was the last thing to appear to earth. Nice thoughts Bert. My thoughts, for what they're worth... Genesis 1 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. These people were "hunter gatherers" Genesis 2 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. This guy was a FARMERSo, initially, God created men and women who were hunter/gatherers, some nomadic, some not, and then He created men and women who He gave the gift of agriculture ;D Being a country boy at heart, this appeals to me ;D
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Post by Annan on Oct 26, 2010 21:19:12 GMT -5
So, initially, God created men and women who were hunter/gatherers, some nomadic, some not, and then He created men and women who He gave the gift of agriculture. And that's when all the trouble began... the story of Cain and Abel.
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Oct 26, 2010 21:56:41 GMT -5
So, initially, God created men and women who were hunter/gatherers, some nomadic, some not, and then He created men and women who He gave the gift of agriculture. And that's when all the trouble began... the story of Cain and Abel. Cain was a small-cropper, Abel was a grazier - THAT'S where the trouble began... Genesis 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
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Post by rational on Oct 26, 2010 23:07:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you'll get to stand before God someday and give him your version as you think it ought to be. I'm just as sure I won't. But then you are an easy mark!
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Post by StAnne on Oct 26, 2010 23:59:12 GMT -5
But then you are an easy mark! You have chosen to persecute me. I will offer it up.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Nov 4, 2010 16:53:28 GMT -5
I think he [Adam] was the first postal worker, A male man! And Cain was the first to go postal?
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Post by Annan on Nov 4, 2010 17:20:56 GMT -5
One of my Catholic girlfriends says that before Eve was created that Adam had no sex organs. She also says that in the Garden of Eden there was no death, therefore Adam did not have to eliminate his bowels or urinate.
I am hoping St Anne will clarify if this is part of the Catholic belief system of not.
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Post by rational on Nov 4, 2010 20:19:17 GMT -5
One of my Catholic girlfriends says that before Eve was created that Adam had no sex organs. She also says that in the Garden of Eden there was no death, therefore Adam did not have to eliminate his bowels or urinate. I am hoping St Anne will clarify if this is part of the Catholic belief system of not. Oh I think that is accurate. And on the eighth day god endowed Adam with a penis. And god saw it was good. Adam, on the other hand, thought it was too small and immediately set out to invent the Internet so he could take advantage of those Viagra ads.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 20:24:50 GMT -5
One of my Catholic girlfriends says that before Eve was created that Adam had no sex organs. She also says that in the Garden of Eden there was no death, therefore Adam did not have to eliminate his bowels or urinate. I am hoping St Anne will clarify if this is part of the Catholic belief system of not. Oh I think that is accurate. And on the eighth day god endowed Adam with a penis. And god saw it was good. Adam, on the other hand, thought it was too small and immediately set out to invent the Internet so he could take advantage of those Viagra ads.I thought you were going to say something like "and when God saw what Adam was doing with his new toy, he created Eve."
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