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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2013 14:06:19 GMT -5
I learned something when I was small in primary school, my age would have been around six, seven or eight. It was only my sister and I at school at that stage and later some other friends' children came to the school, but at this stage it was just my sister and I. This school would have a fancy dress ball every year. There were 1200 children at the primary school and they practiced for weeks and weeks for the fancy dress ball. My sister and I ,out of 1200 children, sat on the bank of the oval and watched them because we were not going. You know, that is only fancy dress but we have to be careful, don't we, and at all times we must live the life of the child of God as someone who is walking the way of the cross. It is the way of the cross that leads home. This is supposed to be a shining example, but it just sounds sad. Perhaps participating in what sounds like a fun community event would have started those sisters on the road to hell and ruin, but I doubt it. I think most kids want a more rational explanation than you should sacrifice because I sacrificed when I was your age. Teaching them discernment will serve them better than enforcing their isolation. It WAS sad. & nonsensical!
And doesn't really teach a child anything.
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Post by friendly67 on Aug 17, 2013 3:00:11 GMT -5
When we moved to this worker's state we were amazed that the friend's children almost all went to their year 12 formal (end of school ball). Maybe her parents were very strict or she left school before the final year. I am talking 1980s. Also they wore white when they married. But as another thread, workers pictures, shows, sister workers dressed in floral dresses with little bows at the neck. Michelle Mallett was not accepted by the senior sister workers in that state in 1997 because she dressed modestly, but wore plain neutral colours. She was told not to wear black! The head worker had her on the list. A month later, the girl they chose got halfway to her field and turned for home. The overseer called Michelle to have a chat with her and she died during that phone call. He had not explained the reason for the visit, Michelle knew the dress was the reason she had not been chosen. she was buried on the day she would have started in the work. Did God step in?
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Post by snow on Aug 17, 2013 11:32:02 GMT -5
What does dress have to do with spirituality? How can anyone really justify the belief that how we dress is a guideline to how spiritual they are? If I had sat through that sermon in the OP I would have really zoned out. All that stuff is just so irrelevant imo.
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Post by Child of God on Aug 17, 2013 17:42:42 GMT -5
Reading here makes me wonder if there are many here that understand what it is to offer spiritual sacrifices?
Is it necessary?
To me it isn't so much what we wear... as it is the image we portray by what we wear.
I followed a lady into a grocery store the other day.... it was a refreshing view. She wore a skirt and blouse. I can imagine what she looked like if she had been in blue jeans or these tights that show every curve from the waist down. I had to bite my tongue and shove my hands in my pockets to keep from saying thanks and giving her a hug.
It seems like a race to the bottom with the females of this age.... how shocking can I be... so-and-so was more shocking yesterday... I want more attention than she got, so how much more to I have to show.
There are many things that are missing in connection with these spoken words. I can agree that in a lot of ways they are not edifying. So.... why are they being posted here? Just so they can be trashed? Makes me wonder what kind of people you all really are.
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Post by snow on Aug 17, 2013 17:49:56 GMT -5
Reading here makes me wonder if there are many here that understand what it is to offer spiritual sacrifices? Is it necessary? To me it isn't so much what we wear... as it is the image we portray by what we wear. I followed a lady into a grocery store the other day.... it was a refreshing view. She wore a skirt and blouse. I can imagine what she looked like if she had been in blue jeans or these tights that show every curve from the waist down. I had to bite my tongue and shove my hands in my pockets to keep from saying thanks and giving her a hug. It seems like a race to the bottom with the females of this age.... how shocking can I be... so-and-so was more shocking yesterday... I want more attention than she got, so how much more to I have to show. There are many things that are missing in connection with these spoken words. I can agree that in a lot of ways they are not edifying. So.... why are they being posted here? Just so they can be trashed? Makes me wonder what kind of people you all really are. It doesn't really matter what kind of people we might think we are. It what kind of people YOU think we are. That's what we will be in the end in your estimation anyway.
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Post by Child of God on Aug 17, 2013 18:08:25 GMT -5
There are many things that are missing in connection with these spoken words. I can agree that in a lot of ways they are not edifying. So.... why are they being posted here? Just so they can be trashed? Makes me wonder what kind of people you all really are. It doesn't really matter what kind of people we might think we are. It what kind of people YOU think we are. That's what we will be in the end in your estimation anyway. I don't know... therefore I wonder..... just sayin...
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Post by snow on Aug 17, 2013 18:27:51 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter what kind of people we might think we are. It what kind of people YOU think we are. That's what we will be in the end in your estimation anyway. I don't know... therefore I wonder..... just sayin... Well, I think we've got an amazing bunch of really nice, caring people on here. We all have our moments of course like most humans. But I personally can't think of anyone I don't like or would want to leave. The diversity of this site is what makes it so interesting. The various beliefs and views. I find it interesting how open people are with each other. There are a few personality clashes but they are rare. I've been on a lot of other boards, and I know how nasty it can get. You just don't find that level of nastiness here. So in conclusion, I think the people here are wonderful!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 11:38:22 GMT -5
from John 10:10 (KJV) "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
This doesn't sound like an abundant life that she is speaking of. It sounds more like self-imposed martyrdom.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 22:45:04 GMT -5
One day when our daughter was very small we had a particular legalistic woman preacher visiting our home. Our three four year old child was singing to herself non-sensical music and words and was dancing around. This particular 2&2 preacher called me and commanded me to rebuke my daughter in her presence to cease that behavior. I quoted that for everything there was a time, including a time to dance, and if that time was not when one was an innocent little child, when was it? And waited for an answer with none forthcoming so no rebuke. Later when I had been excommunicated over those totally and absolutely false accusations this worker brought up that as proof of my wicked spirit! Now I realize God had been trying to get me free for a long time and I just had to go through what I did because of the hardness of my own heart. Last I knew that particular worker had grown even more legalistic as she put demands upon many grievious to be born. And not so much as lifting them with even a little finger.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 23, 2013 23:47:41 GMT -5
I've heard a few workers from Australia preaching at convention -- one of them a I corresponded with for decades. It seems that without exception they slip in something worldly that the friends are guilty of. Weird, if not depressing.
All the concern about outward appearance -- and one of these workers criticized a woman for checking her appearance in a mirror before coming into the meeting room.
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Post by friendly67 on Sept 24, 2013 15:59:01 GMT -5
Worldly is a word no longer in my vocabulary. White weddings were worldly.. Dress etc etc etc. Well, I guess Chinese food is worldly. I think the word was invented to control.
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Post by christiansburg on Sept 26, 2013 9:11:46 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone, especially young folks found this edifying or spiritually uplifting. I would like to compliment you in the way you have expressed your heart felt thought on this hymn. But because young adults are out often may not necessarily mean their behavior tends to be bad. I am, and have been professing, for almost 60 years so I have a very strong attachment for the things we believe. But what I have noticed through the years is that trying to establish rules especially for younger people will often backfire on us. My son went through this phase for many years and has recovered himself somewhat. My wife's brother could not abide some of the austere rules his mother imposed and did not recover. It was total and complete rebellion not so much against the way we believe but against his mother. I have tried to enter somewhat into the way young people feel and find that if they can learn to respect elderly people they may in time learn to respect the beliefs you hold. Now I am not trying to diminish the value of what you say here but only that you be patient with our younger people. I appreciate immensely your great sacrifice. Most people do not grasp it completely but I do having spent 8 years in the work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 23:45:49 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone, especially young folks found this edifying or spiritually uplifting. I often wonder about people who take on Gods word like it is a big burden like they are martyrs. I had a companion BL who used to complain constantly about everything she did but say she was happy to do it then she would make snakey comments about you but meant in the nicest possible way of course and there was something wrong with your spirit if you didn't put up with it day after day. There was a family in S A who had three kids always had the workers there they were so into it the friends called the wife Mrs God. The kids were really protected. They left home all of them got pregnant Drugs drinking divorce living together you name it they did it. All I can say is WOW they should have spent more time bringing up their kids than impressing the workers.
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Post by jj on Mar 22, 2014 7:55:41 GMT -5
Worldly is a word no longer in my vocabulary. White weddings were worldly.. Dress etc etc etc. Well, I guess Chinese food is worldly. I think the word was invented to control. Couldn't agree more with this! when there is such control over minute details such as dress within in a group, alarm bells should ring
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 18:03:16 GMT -5
Do they spend as much time admonishing other workers about CSA and immoral behaviour by workers towards others?
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Post by faune on Mar 22, 2014 18:45:42 GMT -5
I learned something when I was small in primary school, my age would have been around six, seven or eight. It was only my sister and I at school at that stage and later some other friends' children came to the school, but at this stage it was just my sister and I. This school would have a fancy dress ball every year. There were 1200 children at the primary school and they practiced for weeks and weeks for the fancy dress ball. My sister and I ,out of 1200 children, sat on the bank of the oval and watched them because we were not going. You know, that is only fancy dress but we have to be careful, don't we, and at all times we must live the life of the child of God as someone who is walking the way of the cross. It is the way of the cross that leads home. This is supposed to be a shining example, but it just sounds sad. Perhaps participating in what sounds like a fun community event would have started those sisters on the road to hell and ruin, but I doubt it. I think most kids want a more rational explanation than you should sacrifice because I sacrificed when I was your age. Teaching them discernment will serve them better than enforcing their isolation. Reading over this old thread, I noticed this comment and I have to agree that teaching a child to discern between right and wrong is far better than enforcing their isolation by such ridiculous rules when they are a young child. I wonder how many people on this Board remember how horrible it felt to stand out in a classroom due to hair or dress requirements as well as not being able to participate with the other kids their age in fun events. This worker's own words brings out the sadness she must have felt back then and now she's all for making some other young people feel just as bad. That's not sacrifice or bearing one's cross like Jesus. That's lording it over people's lives and making them feel isolated from the world due to all the ridiculous unwritten rules within the 2x2's!
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Post by faune on Mar 22, 2014 18:50:50 GMT -5
I don't know... therefore I wonder..... just sayin... Well, I think we've got an amazing bunch of really nice, caring people on here. We all have our moments of course like most humans. But I personally can't think of anyone I don't like or would want to leave. The diversity of this site is what makes it so interesting. The various beliefs and views. I find it interesting how open people are with each other. There are a few personality clashes but they are rare. I've been on a lot of other boards, and I know how nasty it can get. You just don't find that level of nastiness here. So in conclusion, I think the people here are wonderful! Ditto!
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Post by faune on Mar 22, 2014 18:58:52 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone, especially young folks found this edifying or spiritually uplifting. I often wonder about people who take on Gods word like it is a big burden like they are martyrs. I had a companion BL who used to complain constantly about everything she did but say she was happy to do it then she would make snarky comments about you but meant in the nicest possible way of course and there was something wrong with your spirit if you didn't put up with it day after day. There was a family in S A who had three kids always had the workers there they were so into it the friends called the wife Mrs God. The kids were really protected. They left home all of them got pregnant Drugs drinking divorce living together you name it they did it. All I can say is WOW they should have spent more time bringing up their kids than impressing the workers. Heavenhelpus ~ It sounds like you had some insightful experiences in the work and some companion of yours left a sour taste in your mouth? I can't imagine what it must be like to be a worker, constantly on the move and preaching and visiting in so many different homes. I wonder how anybody ever got to relax and just be themselves away from that bubble? I guess it's no wonder that so many workers left the work due to it being too much on their nerves. I doubt I could last a week in such an environment! However, having a "snarky companion" would be no picnic and would be enough to make anybody considering a new occupation after such an experience. JMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 1:47:19 GMT -5
All this preaching about Jonah, the Prodigal Son, moaning Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Jeraboam and exortations about "bearing of the cross" is simply not relevant to righteous people.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 11, 2014 23:24:22 GMT -5
All this preaching about Jonah, the Prodigal Son, moaning Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Jeraboam and exortations about "bearing of the cross" is simply not relevant to righteous people. Of course Bert you would know what its like being a young girl going to school in the 80's !
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Post by dmmichgood on May 12, 2014 19:52:16 GMT -5
Reading here makes me wonder if there are many here that understand what it is to offer spiritual sacrifices? Is it necessary? To me it isn't so much what we wear... as it is the image we portray by what we wear. I followed a lady into a grocery store the other day.... it was a refreshing view. She wore a skirt and blouse. I can imagine what she looked like if she had been in blue jeans or these tights that show every curve from the waist down. I had to bite my tongue and shove my hands in my pockets to keep from saying thanks and giving her a hug.
It seems like a race to the bottom with the females of this age.... how shocking can I be... so-and-so was more shocking yesterday... I want more attention than she got, so how much more to I have to show. There are many things that are missing in connection with these spoken words. I can agree that in a lot of ways they are not edifying. So.... why are they being posted here? Just so they can be trashed? Makes me wonder what kind of people you all really are. How very sweet of you to notice!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 12, 2014 20:04:46 GMT -5
Lyn Sherlock – Rochedale 2009 The Way Of The Cross Hymn 18 "I also have noticed this year, it seems to be a thing for people to go out. I do not know where they go. We stay in homes sometimes for a week, and we see the young people are out every night. They do not seem to value home. Do we really understand what home is, or do we just want to be out and about, enjoying the pleasures and places of this world." I wonder if the real reason this worker (perhaps even unrealized by herself) expected those young people to stay home every night was that it annoyed her that they went out and found something more interesting to do than sitting at her feet and meekly listening to her pearls of wisdom?
Such does happen you know.
I knew a worker like that.
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Post by Greg on May 13, 2014 5:56:55 GMT -5
Lyn Sherlock – Rochedale 2009 The Way Of The Cross Hymn 18 "I also have noticed this year, it seems to be a thing for people to go out. I do not know where they go. We stay in homes sometimes for a week, and we see the young people are out every night. They do not seem to value home. Do we really understand what home is, or do we just want to be out and about, enjoying the pleasures and places of this world." I wonder if the real reason this worker (perhaps even unrealized by herself) expected those young people to stay home every night was that it annoyed her that they went out and found something more interesting to do than sitting at her feet and meekly listening to her pearls of wisdom?
Such does happen you know.
I knew a worker like that.
Two incidents: Sister worker comments that some like to shout with the Sioux (UND hockey team) Saturday night and sing with the saints on Sunday. One time while in the work people were in town that I knew from another area. I went to have a late meal with them. Came back to the host house at 10:05 PM. Met at the door by companion (the overseer) with "Getting in kinda late aren't you? Saturday night, meeting tomorrow morning and everything."
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Post by tom on May 13, 2014 13:53:30 GMT -5
Reading here makes me wonder if there are many here that understand what it is to offer spiritual sacrifices? Is it necessary? To me it isn't so much what we wear... as it is the image we portray by what we wear. I followed a lady into a grocery store the other day.... it was a refreshing view. She wore a skirt and blouse. I can imagine what she looked like if she had been in blue jeans or these tights that show every curve from the waist down. I had to bite my tongue and shove my hands in my pockets to keep from saying thanks and giving her a hug.
It seems like a race to the bottom with the females of this age.... how shocking can I be... so-and-so was more shocking yesterday... I want more attention than she got, so how much more to I have to show. There are many things that are missing in connection with these spoken words. I can agree that in a lot of ways they are not edifying. So.... why are they being posted here? Just so they can be trashed? Makes me wonder what kind of people you all really are. How very sweet of you to notice! I followed a lady in a store the other day. She had on a nice pair of jeans and a dress jacket. I wanted to hug her! She could have had on a short tight skirt that covered nothing and showed legs thar would have looked way better covered. Thankfully she was modest and sensible enough to wear trousers....just saying..
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Post by dmmichgood on May 13, 2014 20:02:48 GMT -5
How very sweet of you to notice! I followed a lady in a store the other day. She had on a nice pair of jeans and a dress jacket. I wanted to hug her! She could have had on a short tight skirt that covered nothing and showed legs thar would have looked way better covered. Thankfully she was modest and sensible enough to wear trousers....just saying.. To both of you, Child of God and Tom:
You, Child of God, your comment, "I had to bite my tongue and shove my hands in my pockets to keep from saying thanks and giving her a hug. "
And you Tom, your comment, "Thankfully she was modest and sensible enough to wear trousers...."
What the hell does it matter to you what either one of these women were wearing?
And what would you either one of thought had I followed each one of you into a store and shared with the you or others my thoughts on how you looked?
Now, go take a look at yourself in a full length mirror, (Manage to look at your backside with another mirror, so that you can see what I would see if I were following you.)
The truth is, that more than likely I probably wouldn't even notice either of you at all!
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Post by tom on May 14, 2014 6:00:29 GMT -5
I followed a lady in a store the other day. She had on a nice pair of jeans and a dress jacket. I wanted to hug her! She could have had on a short tight skirt that covered nothing and showed legs thar would have looked way better covered. Thankfully she was modest and sensible enough to wear trousers....just saying.. To both of you, Child of God and Tom:
You, Child of God, your comment, "I had to bite my tongue and shove my hands in my pockets to keep from saying thanks and giving her a hug. "
And you Tom, your comment, "Thankfully she was modest and sensible enough to wear trousers...."
What the hell does it matter to you what either one of these women were wearing?
And what would you either one of thought had I followed each one of you into a store and shared with the you or others my thoughts on how you looked?
Now, go take a look at yourself in a full length mirror, (Manage to look at your backside with another mirror, so that you can see what I would see if I were following you.)
The truth is, that more than likely I probably wouldn't even notice either of you at all! Oh dear d. good, my sarcasm was a little too subtle for you what you yelled at us was exactly what I was trying to point out to child of god. What we are wearing is unimportant as long as it is modest and decent. To be so pleased just because someone is in a skirt and to imply that trousers are immodest is ridiculous. I was just pointing out that the wrong skirt worn the wrong way can be quite inappropriate -just because its a skirt doesn't make it right.
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Post by rational on May 14, 2014 8:07:32 GMT -5
Oh dear d. good, my sarcasm was a little too subtle for you :) what you yelled at us was exactly what I was trying to point out to child of god. What we are wearing is unimportant as long as it is modest and decent. To be so pleased just because someone is in a skirt and to imply that trousers are immodest is ridiculous. I was just pointing out that the wrong skirt worn the wrong way can be quite inappropriate -just because its a skirt doesn't make it right. This raises the question of what is modest and decent and why that should matter to anyone other than the person wearing the clothes. If Bob, weighing 22 stone, wants to wear a pair is tight short why does anyone care? The examples above seemed to be concerned with women and what they looked like or what could be seen, given their clothing. Had it been in New York they could have been topless! Perhaps people are suffering from 'nevernude syndrome' or gymnophobia. What would be the downside of people being allowed to go naked anywhere should they wish to do so? It is sort of like the TV - if you don't like what you see, stop looking.
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Post by tom on May 14, 2014 15:00:16 GMT -5
Oh dear d. good, my sarcasm was a little too subtle for you what you yelled at us was exactly what I was trying to point out to child of god. What we are wearing is unimportant as long as it is modest and decent. To be so pleased just because someone is in a skirt and to imply that trousers are immodest is ridiculous. I was just pointing out that the wrong skirt worn the wrong way can be quite inappropriate -just because its a skirt doesn't make it right. This raises the question of what is modest and decent and why that should matter to anyone other than the person wearing the clothes. If Bob, weighing 22 stone, wants to wear a pair is tight short why does anyone care? The examples above seemed to be concerned with women and what they looked like or what could be seen, given their clothing. Had it been in New York they could have been topless! Perhaps people are suffering from 'nevernude syndrome' or gymnophobia. What would be the downside of people being allowed to go naked anywhere should they wish to do so? It is sort of like the TV - if you don't like what you see, stop looking. I think God cares about us being modest and decent but if that doesnt concern you -sure wear what you like or go naked. I just dont think what we wear to be modest is the issue. What is modest ? I think most people who are concerned about being modest usually are. Maybe try telling God 'if you dont like what you see, stop looking.
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