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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Jan 30, 2011 23:16:23 GMT -5
Hope you didn't include me Emy! Fact No. 1. EB needs a solicitor. Cost, probable a couple of grand. All criminals have to have representation. The cost is usually provided for by family if they do not have funds. (or through legal aid). If it is a privately funded solicitor, a couple of grand would not cover the first appearance (unless the solicitor is an amateur - think Dennis Denuto in 'The Castle' ;D ) Fact No. 2. The workers ARE supporting the victim. They are NOT supporting EB in this matter. Thanks for the clarification. This is heartening, and is an advance on previous attitudes of workers to victims.Fact No. 3. The victim/s are getting all the assistance they ask for from the friends. This is also encouragingI was, however, making comments on the previous posts and including the words 'if this is the case' to express my opinion on the content of those posts without being able to verify their accuracy... |
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Post by Concerned onlooker on Jan 31, 2011 2:07:19 GMT -5
It's lovely to hear that the friends and workers in Victoria are supporting the victims in this matter. It's also highly doubtful that there is any meaningful support from any if the so called "hearty" friends, more likely to be coming from a "small group of dissenters". Well done to those people as you are showing a true Christian Spirit. I am sure there are those who aren't game to join you.
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Post by Rothschild on Jan 31, 2011 4:16:02 GMT -5
Here are 3 statements that help destroy credibility of the posters: ..if it is the case that "wealthy friends" are paying for the defence, it is reprehensible that they are not assisting the victims.
I hope you realize the depth of cover up in the work and the complete lack of compassion and mercy for the victim.
I got it from an overseas worker, so it seems true.First statement: "they are not assisting the victims". Paying for defense and assisting victims is not mutually exclusive. Second: "complete lack of compassion" - a very broad assumption Third: "I heard it..." Need I say more? Maybe you better check your credibility, emy. The one statement of mine you took exception to was, "I got it from an overseas worker". You changed it to "I heard it..." and then proceeded to pour scorn on it. Since when does "got it" equal "heard it"? It's written in an email which can be produced as proof. There is also proof that the same wealthy friends are in no way supporting, financially or emotionally or in any way, any one of the victims. Rockafella seems to know of one victim, singular, whose needs are being met by workers. That is good news and first that I've heard this. Rockafella then says "The victim/s are getting all the assistance they ask for from the friends." It would be nice to know the basis for that statement. The victims, plural, my family know about have not had any communication from workers so I guess it is true in their case. Some have obvious spiritual needs but nobody amongst workers have come near to help in that area. Rockafella I hope you are right. It would be assuring to hear even one victim say so, themselves. emy the one thing I can agree with you is about the sweeping judgement in the comment "the complete lack of compassion and mercy for the victim". Again my family know of some very compassionate workers. But they are not the ones in positions of authority. However there care and compassion has been noted and passed on where appropriate. |
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Post by Rockafella on Jan 31, 2011 4:39:51 GMT -5
The basis of my statement re assistance of victim/s is simply that the people who are providing assistance told me.
Pull that to bits if you want.
My Mum always said, if you want help ask.
It is very easy to sit in a corner and complain about the lack of help and assistance, if you are not responsive to the help offered, then you can hardly complain.
In these very very delicate situations, approaching someone in order to help them is extremely difficult. It takes courage on both sides.
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Post by Rothschild on Jan 31, 2011 4:45:20 GMT -5
I was, however, making comments on the previous posts and including the words 'if this is the case' to express my opinion on the content of those posts without being able to verify their accuracy... palag1, believe what you want to believe. Rockafella claims he knows workers are supporting one victim at least. Possibly he heard that from a worker. They may not be truthful in these matters. Perhaps he will tell us how he knows what he reports. My family shockingly knows more than one victim and what I am reporting comes from them. Of course I can't prove this to you and anyway, victims rights are far more important than even getting people here to believe the truth. When I first discovered what had happened, I felt angry and shocked. Now my main feelings are for the victims who deserve to be treated right. I'm sad at those who are meant to be their shepherds but aren't. |
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Post by Rothschild on Jan 31, 2011 4:53:22 GMT -5
In these very very delicate situations, approaching someone in order to help them is extremely difficult. It takes courage on both sides. That is soooo true. I have worried over it also. I know some with needs. I know who could probably help. I feel powerless to bring the two together. Rockafella thanks for your answer and for caring. Anyone with advice on how we can help victims we know, without betraying their rights to confidentiality, your help is needed. |
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Post by Coverup on Jan 31, 2011 6:08:27 GMT -5
Hope you didn't include me Emy! Fact No. 1. EB needs a solicitor. Cost, probable a couple of grand. All criminals have to have representation. The cost is usually provided for by family if they do not have funds. (or through legal aid). Fact No. 2. The workers ARE supporting the victim. They are NOT supporting EB in this matter. Fact No. 3. The victim/s are getting all the assistance they ask for from the friends. Hey Rockfella...I don't know where you are getting your information from.....maybe you are a worker stooge  EB is getting the best legal representation possible and that is going to cost heaps. Why are wealthy friends funding such a defense when he has supposedly pleaded guilty your honour??? I imagine that they will wheel out all the EB sympathisers who will provided character references saying what a wonderful man he is and that he didn't really mean to hurt innocent young girls!! How do these wealthy friends live with their conscience by trying to get a sexual deviant a light sentence  Will he also admit to molesting the many other victims who have not come forward? This would be the right and Godly thing to do, but I imagine his high powered legal team will advise against this. He will end up getting a "slap over the wrist" and then the workers will be able to wipe their hands of the whole affair and say that it wasn't that big a problem after all!! What sort of support are the workers giving the victim?? Are they offering to meet the cost of her counseling sessions? From what I understand there is a small group of concerned friends who are helping to support the victim and certainly not the "wealthy friends" The whole thing has been handled poorly by the workers who are running scared |
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Post by to coverup on Jan 31, 2011 6:15:54 GMT -5
They will certainly try to minimize the impact he has had on his victims!!!
I'm wondering how much money was raised at convention time?
Sad thing is that unless they are prepared to act in a more honorable way there will always be question marks on who else had been involved in the same sorts of behavior and in the coverup of such criminal behavior.
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Post by Rothschild on Jan 31, 2011 6:26:49 GMT -5
I'm wondering how much money was raised at convention time? To be fair I don't think it's workers convention money that is being used for his legal defence. It's from several friends rich enough to pay for his personal lawyer. I think they're also paying for the perpetrator's counselling, which is fair enough. My advice is from a worker source. Come to think of it, what does all the money raised at conventions go for? |
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Post by Makes me think on Jan 31, 2011 7:06:25 GMT -5
And what do this couple of wealthy families have to gain by funding the legal defense?
There's got to be some sort of political gain for them in this.
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Jan 31, 2011 7:41:36 GMT -5
I was, however, making comments on the previous posts and including the words 'if this is the case' to express my opinion on the content of those posts without being able to verify their accuracy... palag1, believe what you want to believe. Rockafella claims he knows workers are supporting one victim at least. Possibly he heard that from a worker. They may not be truthful in these matters. Perhaps he will tell us how he knows what he reports. My family shockingly knows more than one victim and what I am reporting comes from them. Of course I can't prove this to you and anyway, victims rights are far more important than even getting people here to believe the truth. When I first discovered what had happened, I felt angry and shocked. Now my main feelings are for the victims who deserve to be treated right. I'm sad at those who are meant to be their shepherds but aren't. Rothschild, I will not defend my posts other than to say I comment on the information posted by others. My interest in this is to see justice served and the victims needs met. Don't misconstrue or misrepresent my words. Much of what is posted is heresay until proof is presented, however authentic it seems. I have a limited knowledge of the criminal justice system, more so in NSW than in Vic. I have family who still profess so I am conscious of the affect of these events on them. I work in the Health system and have seen my share of people with destroyed lives so empathise with the victims of this evil man. I pray that they will find peace and restoration through support and counseling as well as seeing this monster brought to justice. He will have his reward along with the people who hid his crimes and enabled him to continue offending. I only wish our legal system could go after those who by their action or inaction allowed these vile acts to continue. |
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Post by emy on Jan 31, 2011 13:42:58 GMT -5
Third: "I heard it..." Need I say more?Maybe you better check your credibility, emy. The one statement of mine you took exception to was, "I got it from an overseas worker". You changed it to "I heard it..." and then proceeded to pour scorn on it. Since when does "got it" equal "heard it"? It's written in an email which can be produced as proof. T... emy the one thing I can agree with you is about the sweeping judgement in the comment "the complete lack of compassion and mercy for the victim". Again my family know of some very compassionate workers. But they are not the ones in positions of authority. However there care and compassion has been noted and passed on where appropriate. My apology for changing the statement from "got" to "heard". I will even confess to doing it intentionally, because it is such a common statement when gossip is involved. It's only my opinion, but getting such info in email from a worker who is not on the scene is only equal to hearing it from a worker not on the scene. If said worker had some closer involvement which would authenticate the statement, you did not include it. I appreciate the open discussion at any rate, but I tend to side with Rational about having statements and opinions backed up by facts. |
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Post by Coverup on Jan 31, 2011 17:41:15 GMT -5
And what do this couple of wealthy families have to gain by funding the legal defense? There's got to be some sort of political gain for them in this. Who knows what their motives are.........what ever it is they are completely false. Could be that they believe he is innocent (there are friends here who actually believe that it us all made up by bitters exe's, even tho he has confessed!!!) Could be that they want to protect and cover up the real truth getting out about the many other victims of this evil monster. Could be that they want to protect and cover up the real truth getting out about other workers involved in CSA and sexual immorality. Could be that they want to get some brownie points with the workers. (promotion to elder maybe??) Could be................................. |
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Post by meg1 on Jan 31, 2011 21:32:47 GMT -5
Hope you didn't include me Emy! Fact No. 1. EB needs a solicitor. Cost, probable a couple of grand. All criminals have to have representation. The cost is usually provided for by family if they do not have funds. (or through legal aid). Fact No. 2. The workers ARE supporting the victim. They are NOT supporting EB in this matter. Fact No. 3. The victim/s are getting all the assistance they ask for from the friends. All of this is encouraging. Victims sometimes are not able to ask. What about unsolicited, graceful support? Sometimes we need to say loudly and in unison..."I believe you. You are loved!" |
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Post by moline on Mar 23, 2011 23:10:31 GMT -5
I beleive EB went to court last week
does anyone know what the sentence was ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 1:00:00 GMT -5
It was to be a plea hearing, at Morewell on 22/03/ 2011. Depending on how he pleaded would determine if there is to be a trial or not. I have been watching the case number on the Court list and on Tuesday it showed No Plea. The next hearing is shown as Magistrates Court Melbourne, but no date has been set. It could be a drawn out affair. I will keep watching.
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Post by Rothschild on Mar 24, 2011 3:38:54 GMT -5
From the Wings message boards, it says Barry received five charges for indecent assaults on one victim. The matter was adjourned to 19th May at Morwell for a plea of guilty. You can follow the case online. For instance: dailylists.magistratesvic.com.au/search-court-lists/search-results.aspx?id=13086853&type=CriminalCase Number: A13163708 Case Date: 19 May 2011. 11:00 AM Prosecuting Agency: Victoria Police Informant: Lambert, L Accused: Barry, Ernest James Accused Representative firm name: Not Represented Hearing Type: Plea Guilty Prosecutor Representative Name: Not Represented Plea: No Plea Taken Location: Latrobe Valley Magistrates' It seems Victoria Police are treating this with sufficient gravity. I hope that victims are being supported and helped by all of Barry's colleagues, many of whom would have been his companion while the offences were occurring over many years. Remarkable if none suspected even one little thing wrong about his behaviour. |
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Post by kencoolidge on Jan 3, 2012 12:07:41 GMT -5
And what do this couple of wealthy families have to gain by funding the legal defense? There's got to be some sort of political gain for them in this. Perhaps they are holding the purse? |
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Post by sharonw on Mar 1, 2012 12:22:44 GMT -5
Is it possible for WINGS to intercede in the new Scotland CSA issue? They may not wish to since the victim is already getting help.
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Post by Scott Ross on Mar 1, 2012 12:43:14 GMT -5
Is it possible for WINGS to intercede in the new Scotland CSA issue? They may not wish to since the victim is already getting help. WINGS is following what is happening there Sharon. We have the information concerning the worker who was removed, and in such cases we do not openly get involved. I can only suggest that those who are in the church there ask their local workers or the overseer for information about this. Whenever something such as this comes up, it is interesting to hear about how the overseers and local workers handle the situation. Wherever they are open and honest with the members, there is pain, anger and healing. All parts of the grieving/understanding process that people NEED to go through in order to get past such an issue. When the church (as a whole) is involved, they emerge stronger by standing together through such issues, and it brings a sense of unity for having 'weathered the storm' as a church body. Where the workers minimize the issue, cover it up or outright lie about why the worker has been removed, there is a loss of trust and respect, there are rumors that go around, and ultimately no healing takes place within the church. That leads to ALL the workers in that area being viewed with suspicion by those who have knowledge of what happened, and it leads to people 'voting with their feet' and leaving the church. You would think that they would figure this out at some point and understand that the only way to clean up their dirty laundry is to bring it out into the light of Christ and get it washed clean. |
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Mar 7, 2012 22:56:51 GMT -5
HEY Scott Ross or anybody else! Being very un-serious here. Have been reading other threads and come across some US expressions I'm not sure about. Gene was talking about spam sandwich (In Oz we call it Camp-Pie) Sorry Gene but I remember it as being totally gross- About 50yrs ago. Havnt eaten it since. He was talking about a broiler. I thought a broiler was an old chook(hen) that was too old to roast so you had to boil it. So what is a broiler? ?? Also on the thread about tornadoes - What the heck is a fraidyho. ;D |
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 7, 2012 23:19:22 GMT -5
Fraidy Hole: [Slang-fraidyho] Term for an underground protected place where people flee for refuge when a tornado shows up for a visit. Just Google: Fraidy Hole
The former owner of our home/property built ours per specs for a Fallout (bomb) Shelter during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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Post by Bad ger M on Mar 8, 2012 1:38:26 GMT -5
HEY Scott Ross or anybody else! Being very un-serious here. Have been reading other threads and come across some US expressions I'm not sure about. Gene was talking about spam sandwich (In Oz we call it Camp-Pie) Sorry Gene but I remember it as being totally gross- About 50yrs ago. Havnt eaten it since. He was talking about a broiler. I thought a broiler was an old chook(hen) that was too old to roast so you had to boil it. So what is a broiler? ?? Also on the thread about tornadoes - What the heck is a fraidyho. ;D If I may be flippant for a moment! - There's nothing wrong with Camp Pie - all things in moderation! Angie, you have bracketed your age in the above dissitation - you old B(r)oiler! |
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Post by Bad ger M on Mar 8, 2012 1:41:20 GMT -5
I can't spell either - it should be dissertation!
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Mar 8, 2012 3:39:56 GMT -5
HEY Scott Ross or anybody else! Being very un-serious here. Have been reading other threads and come across some US expressions I'm not sure about. Gene was talking about spam sandwich (In Oz we call it Camp-Pie) Sorry Gene but I remember it as being totally gross- About 50yrs ago. Havnt eaten it since. He was talking about a broiler. I thought a broiler was an old chook(hen) that was too old to roast so you had to boil it. So what is a broiler? ?? Also on the thread about tornadoes - What the heck is a fraidyho. ;D If I may be flippant for a moment! - There's nothing wrong with Camp Pie - all things in moderation! Angie, you have bracketed your age in the above dissitation - you old B(r)oiler! Dear Badger, I have missed your sense of humour. And I beg your pardon I am not a boiler. More like superNan. Camp-pie I'm sure hasnt improved. Can u still buy it. Dont worry about the spelling. Thats what happens when you turn into an old codger. You probably have a way to go yet. I'm going to get myself in trouble heeeere. Thanks Cherie, Tornadoes must be awful. We have some pretty rough storms at times. Wonder if the roof is going to go. But nothing like U.S. Mainland Oz has worse weather than us, particularly the north. |
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Post by Gene on Mar 11, 2012 8:46:23 GMT -5
Broiler: Oven that has been set so that the heat source is radiant heat from above the food which provides a nice browning, toasting effect.
Fraidyho: Imagine combining two words: 'Afraid' and 'Hole.' Moreover, imagine the taunt 'fraidycat' applied to a youngster by his mates when said youngster is afraid to dive off the 5 meter board into the swimming pool.
Now imagine an underground tornado shelter, commonly found in the back gardens of folks who live in tornado alley. Often it's a prefabricated 'room' made of metal with a secure and weather-proof entry, which is lowered by heavy equipment into a large, prepared hole in the ground. If one is afraid of the coming storm, one can retreat to that hole in the ground - the "fraidyho(le)".
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Mar 11, 2012 10:59:07 GMT -5
Fraidy Hole - [Slang] Term for a basement, cellar, or other supposedly protective location where people hide when the tornado shows up for a visit. No part of a mobile home should be used as a fraidy hole, better to find some below-ground protected structure.
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Mar 11, 2012 18:15:15 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the explanations.  OK Gene, We call a broiler-- a grill.!!!!!!! US English can be quite a bit different to OZ English!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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