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Post by worker83 on Jul 29, 2008 21:51:33 GMT -5
Hey Ran, can you change the title of the thread to a general 'worker' and not to worker83? - I'd like to encourage some other workers to jump in here too - but they might not if the questions are directed to a particular worker !
Jesus was the true light - and he was with God when all things were created - why did you say that God created the heaven and the earth before that true light? I'll go read those chapters now and see you tomorrow - you gotta get up early to so get yourself out of here !
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Post by Hey I agree on Aug 1, 2008 11:21:14 GMT -5
Never thought I'd see the day I would agree w/ you!! Workers, please register. I am trying to follow your responses but they get lost and I don't have time to read every thread. If you register, then we can search your replies to keep up. Please consider. I know initially it is kinda a hassle but it is only a one time hassle. Please consider it. Thanks
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 1, 2008 18:43:48 GMT -5
And another thing: As far as I can tell, you are the only worker posting here at this time. If I notice the Spirit of Christ in another person that says that they are a worker, then I will believe it. I know that many of the Friends post here, but they do not say that they are workers. You are the only one so far with that Spirit that says that they are a worker, at least on the posts that I have read.
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Post by he1stlovedus on Sept 8, 2008 5:08:32 GMT -5
Col 1:13-28 speaks of all things being created through Christ and that all are under his authority for this time since God was please to have all of his fullness dwell in Christ and to reconcile YOU to God through Christ our Savior by making peace with God by Christ's blood shed on the cross, not by our own merit. But by this wonderful love shared with us, we out of love want to do what He commands. Heb 1:5-14 Christ is explained to the Hebrews...speaks of Christ in the beginning laying the foundations, and of God's angels worshiping him...no one but God is worshiped, yet we're given a glimpse of Christ, who is ONE with God and was in the beginning with God as you mention that John records in the first part of the Gospel of John 1 Pet 1:18-21...Christ was destined as your Savior before the world began, but was revealed much later as Peter points out to the Jews
I have marked many other versus that describe Christ coming from ETERNITY or before time began, but it would get too long to post
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:12:34 GMT -5
How did you find it to be served on hand and foot ? Did you ever go out of your way to ask if you could do extra things for the friends while living with them ? Did you feel that you had a higher status than the friends ? Being so protected from most of what goes on in the world and general living( marriage,children,work) how do workers get tested as Christians ? Are there workers that do something more for society than preaching the Gospel over and over to those that know it all ready? How do workers spend their free time( those that I know do arts and crafts) ?
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Apr 28, 2016 17:41:39 GMT -5
I haven't seen this thread before, so "thanks," to whoever moved it over here into Coffee Talk - our coffee has been gettin' kinda cold in here! (Later) Oh, I see now this isn't actually in Coffee Talk, but in an older board for worker questions. I am no longer a worker (and I no longer even attend meetings), and unsure as to whether I ever qualified as a "general worker" or not, but I will attempt to answer your questions as well as I can, from my own perspective, of course. How did you find it to be served on hand and foot ? I'm not sure we were generally "served hand and foot," but yes, professing people did often wait on the workers in different ways. There were times when I felt it went overboard, and I would at least attempt to register a protest. Sometimes that was just in talking to people when they deferred too much to us; at other times it meant getting in there first and doing something for myself. I also say that I have seen other preachers expecting to be waited on or to be given first service. One instance that stands out in my mind occurred out on Likiep Atoll, in the Marshall Islands, when the (hopefully) monthly "field trip ship" arrived, bringing food staples, barrels of gas (for outboards), etc. We always brought or purchased food, so as not to be a burden to the people we lived among, and as I fell in at the back of the line, the local preacher motioned me and my co-worker to come up to the front of the line with him, claiming "man of God" privileges. We politely declined. I nearly always helped with the dishes, and a few times did a major cleaning of kitchens (I've always been obsessive about cleanliness.) That isn't a lot, and at times I did wonder what to do with my time, as I am not a very forward person, and was kinda trying to figure out what I was supposed to be doing. There were a few places in Hawaii and California I helped with lawn-mowing, and did some extensive weeding, but those were rarer occasions, when my older co-worker worked with a looser schedule and I found myself with more free time. I did take a lot of time to visit with folks, including children, sometimes building with legos or something of that nature with the children. Out here in the Pacific (where I spent 9 of my 18 years as a worker), we had fewer professing people, with "fields" being bounded by the sea, and this left more time, which I did often use for yard work. Come to think of it, my co-worker and I "painted" (with a sealant-reflective) two concrete roofs here on Guam, and helped a widow with three children to make a couple of moves, which required some extensive house and yard cleaning. Yes, I was well aware of being given a higher status, and though I had grown up with it, accepting it as "normal," it made me uncomfortable in ways too. One incident that still registers highly as having provoked a question in my mind occurred when I had been in the work only a few days, or perhaps a week. It was at Gilroy convention in 1980, as I stood outside in the line for the cafeteria, near a young couple close to my age. One of them asked me a question, and though I can't remember what the question was now, it was something that required a lot more wisdom and knowledge than I had, and I knew it. I stammered out, rather embarrassed, that I didn't know. The aspect of it that is still salient with me is that both the young couple and I seemed to feel that a worker, though "brand new," should somehow kind of automatically possess this wisdom or knowledge. The fact they asked me indicated to me they seemed to feel that way, and the fact that I was embarrassed at not knowing showed me I had the same assumption. Well, workers are definitely "tested" in getting along with co-workers, both "in the field" and at preps, conventions, special meetings, etc., but we were admittedly insulated from many of the stresses of marriage and making a living. ( Later addition) However, speaking of "being tested as Christians" sounds to me as if life is intended to be some kind of an endurance test, rewarded by "heaven" out there somewhere. I see the entire Judeo-Christian saga as "experiments" in "alternative communities," which have mostly been apparent failures because of human pride, fear, etc., but with a door of hope always opening to the future. I do appreciate William Irvine's efforts to "live by faith," even though he became so self-important after a few years. I do appreciate the attempt to address the question of Matthew 10, and even though it has become so heavily institutionalized now, it brings to my mind the question, "Are there not any special commissions in this way now? Is there any "radical discipleship," "radical throwing off of security" now?" I believe it does exist, and I am glad I was raised with that question presented to me, even though I am no longer active in the fellowship. We did involve ourselves in environmental "clean-up days" a time or two (here in the islands again), and my co-workers and I involved ourselves in the community life in many ways, particularly in the Marshall Islands - gathering crop food, fishing (supper, not recreation there, and I never became good at it!), gathering firewood, etc. I have never been an "arts and crafts" person. I did like to play the piano or organ when one was available, and during my later years in the work I began to read quite a bit. Here in the islands, I spent a lot of time studying language, either with a book or through lengthy sessions speaking with people in the community. While here on Guam I studied Tagalog, then on Pohnpei worked on Pohnpeian for awhile, before deciding to to pursue the Marshallese language more intently, and focusing on it for years (until now actually, as I help pay the bills through English - Marshallese translation). That's what I remember at the moment, for what it's worth - question are welcome, and they'll likely bring further reflection and memories . . .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 21:13:20 GMT -5
This is to confirm much of what Alan has expressed from the other side of the world, with some exceptions. As one in the "old" Country, the enforced domineering by older companions was much stronger. Younger workers in many places have absolutely no say, allowed no opinions of their own by their older companions enforcing the society of the "older ones" completely upon such younger ones, until they either totally cave in or break. Very sad, but very true in my experience. DJ
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 8:47:23 GMT -5
I haven't seen this thread before, so "thanks," to whoever moved it over here into Coffee Talk - our coffee has been gettin' kinda cold in here! (Later) Oh, I see now this isn't actually in Coffee Talk, but in an older board for worker questions. I am no longer a worker (and I no longer even attend meetings), and unsure as to whether I ever qualified as a "general worker" or not, but I will attempt to answer your questions as well as I can, from my own perspective, of course. How did you find it to be served on hand and foot ? I'm not sure we were generally "served hand and foot," but yes, professing people did often wait on the workers in different ways. There were times when I felt it went overboard, and I would at least attempt to register a protest. Sometimes that was just in talking to people when they deferred too much to us; at other times it meant getting in there first and doing something for myself. I also say that I have seen other preachers expecting to be waited on or to be given first service. One instance that stands out in my mind occurred out on Likiep Atoll, in the Marshall Islands, when the (hopefully) monthly "field trip ship" arrived, bringing food staples, barrels of gas (for outboards), etc. We always brought or purchased food, so as not to be a burden to the people we lived among, and as I fell in at the back of the line, the local preacher motioned me and my co-worker to come up to the front of the line with him, claiming "man of God" privileges. We politely declined. I nearly always helped with the dishes, and a few times did a major cleaning of kitchens (I've always been obsessive about cleanliness.) That isn't a lot, and at times I did wonder what to do with my time, as I am not a very forward person, and was kinda trying to figure out what I was supposed to be doing. There were a few places in Hawaii and California I helped with lawn-mowing, and did some extensive weeding, but those were rarer occasions, when my older co-worker worked with a looser schedule and I found myself with more free time. I did take a lot of time to visit with folks, including children, sometimes building with legos or something of that nature with the children. Out here in the Pacific (where I spent 9 of my 18 years as a worker), we had fewer professing people, with "fields" being bounded by the sea, and this left more time, which I did often use for yard work. Come to think of it, my co-worker and I "painted" (with a sealant-reflective) two concrete roofs here on Guam, and helped a widow with three children to make a couple of moves, which required some extensive house and yard cleaning. Yes, I was well aware of being given a higher status, and though I had grown up with it, accepting it as "normal," it made me uncomfortable in ways too. One incident that still registers highly as having provoked a question in my mind occurred when I had been in the work only a few days, or perhaps a week. It was at Gilroy convention in 1980, as I stood outside in the line for the cafeteria, near a young couple close to my age. One of them asked me a question, and though I can't remember what the question was now, it was something that required a lot more wisdom and knowledge than I had, and I knew it. I stammered out, rather embarrassed, that I didn't know. The aspect of it that is still salient with me is that both the young couple and I seemed to feel that a worker, though "brand new," should somehow kind of automatically possess this wisdom or knowledge. The fact they asked me indicated to me they seemed to feel that way, and the fact that I was embarrassed at not knowing showed me I had the same assumption. Well, workers are definitely "tested" in getting along with co-workers, both "in the field" and at preps, conventions, special meetings, etc., but we were admittedly insulated from many of the stresses of marriage and making a living. ( Later addition) However, speaking of "being tested as Christians" sounds to me as if life is intended to be some kind of an endurance test, rewarded by "heaven" out there somewhere. I see the entire Judeo-Christian saga as "experiments" in "alternative communities," which have mostly been apparent failures because of human pride, fear, etc., but with a door of hope always opening to the future. I do appreciate William Irvine's efforts to "live by faith," even though he became so self-important after a few years. I do appreciate the attempt to address the question of Matthew 10, and even though it has become so heavily institutionalized now, it brings to my mind the question, "Are there not any special commissions in this way now? Is there any "radical discipleship," "radical throwing off of security" now?" I believe it does exist, and I am glad I was raised with that question presented to me, even though I am no longer active in the fellowship. We did involve ourselves in environmental "clean-up days" a time or two (here in the islands again), and my co-workers and I involved ourselves in the community life in many ways, particularly in the Marshall Islands - gathering crop food, fishing (supper, not recreation there, and I never became good at it!), gathering firewood, etc. I have never been an "arts and crafts" person. I did like to play the piano or organ when one was available, and during my later years in the work I began to read quite a bit. Here in the islands, I spent a lot of time studying language, either with a book or through lengthy sessions speaking with people in the community. While here on Guam I studied Tagalog, then on Pohnpei worked on Pohnpeian for awhile, before deciding to to pursue the Marshallese language more intently, and focusing on it for years (until now actually, as I help pay the bills through English - Marshallese translation). That's what I remember at the moment, for what it's worth - question are welcome, and they'll likely bring further reflection and memories . . . Alan ,thanks so much for your reply! How I wish that there was more of a open communication today between workers and friends!And also that friends would be involved in making decisions on important matters. I have asked my overseer that I want to be involved in setting up guidelines to prevent and deal with CSA and sexual immoralities since those subjects directly affect us,I haven't had a reply yet but as Wally said they do get a lot of correspondence so I will wait a little longer than a week,2 weeks should be more than sufficient for a reply even for me as a busy mother a week would be more than sufficient.
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Post by withlove on Apr 29, 2016 10:22:44 GMT -5
What a nice way to approach it--by suggesting you help! Maybe that will be more effective than our best efforts to plead, which seems to be read as criticism no matter how nicely we word it (that's how my experience went down...I definitely do criticize here now). If someone can keep them from getting defensive, the actual issue could be taken seriously, if they are well-intentioned.
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Apr 29, 2016 17:14:53 GMT -5
Alan ,thanks so much for your reply! How I wish that there was more of a open communication today between workers and friends!And also that friends would be involved in making decisions on important matters. I have asked my overseer that I want to be involved in setting up guidelines to prevent and deal with CSA and sexual immoralities since those subjects directly affect us,I haven't had a reply yet but as Wally said they do get a lot of correspondence so I will wait a little longer than a week,2 weeks should be more than sufficient for a reply even for me as a busy mother a week would be more than sufficient. What a nice way to approach it--by suggesting you help! Maybe that will be more effective than our best efforts to plead, which seems to be read as criticism no matter how nicely we word it (that's how my experience went down...I definitely do criticize here now). If someone can keep them from getting defensive, the actual issue could be taken seriously, if they are well-intentioned. I certainly understand where you're "coming from." There was a period of seven years in which anything my wife or I said regarding a certain situation, no matter how we approached the subject, was taken as wrong, defining us as "needing to forgive," being "bitter," etc. It hurt, and led to our stepping away from meetings. Now I am free enough from the situation to both look at my own role in it all, and to speak without accusing. I would suggest that building trust is a long, slow process, and trust won't be produced if I/we come across as demanding and/or accusing. I probably seem very passive to both professing people and exes, but I maintain that great effort is required to simply "be there," and to listen, entering activities and discussions in small ways, gaining confidence that I/we are not "on the attack." Later addition: I have sometimes thought that I prefer to simply "be a question" in people's minds. I don't mean that to be confrontational, sarcastic, or anything along that line. For me, it simply means talking and acting in a manner that leads people to question their own assumptions - and that is healthy for any of us! I constantly have my own assumptions challenged too, even through conversations with professing people, as well as on forums like this. Jesus posed a question in people's minds, both through what he did and what he said, and he often answered questions indirectly, giving a parable or story that likely seemed to miss their point, if they were looking for a definite, easy-to-grasp answer. But Jesus wasn't going to make it easy, for example, by drawing a definite line between "who is and who isn't my neighbor." Thanks for your "Likes" and reply to my post, constructively engaging in the discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 11:03:16 GMT -5
Alan ,thanks so much for your reply! How I wish that there was more of a open communication today between workers and friends!And also that friends would be involved in making decisions on important matters. I have asked my overseer that I want to be involved in setting up guidelines to prevent and deal with CSA and sexual immoralities since those subjects directly affect us,I haven't had a reply yet but as Wally said they do get a lot of correspondence so I will wait a little longer than a week,2 weeks should be more than sufficient for a reply even for me as a busy mother a week would be more than sufficient. What a nice way to approach it--by suggesting you help! Maybe that will be more effective than our best efforts to plead, which seems to be read as criticism no matter how nicely we word it (that's how my experience went down...I definitely do criticize here now). If someone can keep them from getting defensive, the actual issue could be taken seriously, if they are well-intentioned. I certainly understand where you're "coming from." There was a period of seven years in which anything my wife or I said regarding a certain situation, no matter how we approached the subject, was taken as wrong, defining us as "needing to forgive," being "bitter," etc. It hurt, and led to our stepping away from meetings. Now I am free enough from the situation to both look at my own role in it all, and to speak without accusing. I would suggest that building trust is a long, slow process, and trust won't be produced if I/we come across as demanding and/or accusing. I probably seem very passive to both professing people and exes, but I maintain that great effort is required to simply "be there," and to listen, entering activities and discussions in small ways, gaining confidence that I/we are not "on the attack." Later addition: I have sometimes thought that I prefer to simply "be a question" in people's minds. I don't mean that to be confrontational, sarcastic, or anything along that line. For me, it simply means talking and acting in a manner leads people to question their own assumptions - and that is healthy for any of us! I constantly have my own assumptions challenged too, even through conversations with professing people, as well as own forums like this. Jesus posed a question in people's minds, both through what he did and what he said, and he often answered questions indirectly, giving a parable or story that likely seemed to miss their point, if they were looking for a definite, easy-to-grasp answer. But Jesus wasn't going to make it easy, for example, by drawing a definite line between who is and who isn't my neighbor." Thanks for your "Likes" and reply to my post, constructively engaging in the discussion. Alan what I enjoy about your posts is that they are so mature and helps me to see things from different view points. We had sister workers over last night and I had a open heart-heart conversation with the elder sister worker.It worked out well since I came forward with a child like spirit and she as well. I also understand that she doesn't have to much of a say over how things are done and thus I am trying tactfully to work with the overseer. May I ask what church you are attending at present if any ?
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Apr 30, 2016 18:58:11 GMT -5
Alan what I enjoy about your posts is that they are so mature and helps me to see things from different view points. We had sister workers over last night and I had a open heart-heart conversation with the elder sister worker.It worked out well since I came forward with a child like spirit and she as well. I also understand that she doesn't have to much of a say over how things are done and thus I am trying tactfully to work with the overseer. May I ask what church you are attending at present if any ? Well I'm trying to grow up, eating my broccoli n stuff . . . I'm glad you had such a healthy discussion with the sister worker. It requires effort, but it is possible! I am not attending any church at the present. Guam is a heavily Catholic island, and that definitely does not "do it" for me, but I have not scoped out the scattered non-Catholic/Protestant churches on the island, other than one visit to the Lutheran church, which seemed to be a "catch-all" for "non-locals," and not one member of the congregation even smiled at us before or after the service. There may be churches with a different feeling to them of course, but I simply have not felt pressed to look, feeling that God will place me in His time. We of course attend the occasional funeral mass.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 16:22:46 GMT -5
Alan what I enjoy about your posts is that they are so mature and helps me to see things from different view points. We had sister workers over last night and I had a open heart-heart conversation with the elder sister worker.It worked out well since I came forward with a child like spirit and she as well. I also understand that she doesn't have to much of a say over how things are done and thus I am trying tactfully to work with the overseer. May I ask what church you are attending at present if any ? Well I'm trying to grow up, eating my broccoli n stuff . . . I'm glad you had such a healthy discussion with the sister worker. It requires effort, but it is possible! I am not attending any church at the present. Guam is a heavily Catholic island, and that definitely does not "do it" for me, but I have not scoped out the scattered non-Catholic/Protestant churches on the island, other than one visit to the Lutheran church, which seemed to be a "catch-all" for "non-locals," and not one member of the congregation even smiled at us before or after the service. There may be churches with a different feeling to them of course, but I simply have not felt pressed to look, feeling that God will place me in His time. We of course attend the occasional funeral mass. Friendliness is one of the basics of Godly love. But as you say God will show you where in His time. I attend the local non denominational church Bible study at times, I told the workers in our area about it,they said they have tried to go to different churches to be a help but found that they were not willing to listen to what they had to say.The one that I attend I must say I have found very open to my input.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 16:40:36 GMT -5
I haven't seen this thread before, so "thanks," to whoever moved it over here into Coffee Talk - our coffee has been gettin' kinda cold in here! (Later) Oh, I see now this isn't actually in Coffee Talk, but in an older board for worker questions. I am no longer a worker (and I no longer even attend meetings), and unsure as to whether I ever qualified as a "general worker" or not, but I will attempt to answer your questions as well as I can, from my own perspective, of course. I'm not sure we were generally "served hand and foot," but yes, professing people did often wait on the workers in different ways. There were times when I felt it went overboard, and I would at least attempt to register a protest. Sometimes that was just in talking to people when they deferred too much to us; at other times it meant getting in there first and doing something for myself. I also say that I have seen other preachers expecting to be waited on or to be given first service. One instance that stands out in my mind occurred out on Likiep Atoll, in the Marshall Islands, when the (hopefully) monthly "field trip ship" arrived, bringing food staples, barrels of gas (for outboards), etc. We always brought or purchased food, so as not to be a burden to the people we lived among, and as I fell in at the back of the line, the local preacher motioned me and my co-worker to come up to the front of the line with him, claiming "man of God" privileges. We politely declined. I nearly always helped with the dishes, and a few times did a major cleaning of kitchens (I've always been obsessive about cleanliness.) That isn't a lot, and at times I did wonder what to do with my time, as I am not a very forward person, and was kinda trying to figure out what I was supposed to be doing. There were a few places in Hawaii and California I helped with lawn-mowing, and did some extensive weeding, but those were rarer occasions, when my older co-worker worked with a looser schedule and I found myself with more free time. I did take a lot of time to visit with folks, including children, sometimes building with legos or something of that nature with the children. Out here in the Pacific (where I spent 9 of my 18 years as a worker), we had fewer professing people, with "fields" being bounded by the sea, and this left more time, which I did often use for yard work. Come to think of it, my co-worker and I "painted" (with a sealant-reflective) two concrete roofs here on Guam, and helped a widow with three children to make a couple of moves, which required some extensive house and yard cleaning. Yes, I was well aware of being given a higher status, and though I had grown up with it, accepting it as "normal," it made me uncomfortable in ways too. One incident that still registers highly as having provoked a question in my mind occurred when I had been in the work only a few days, or perhaps a week. It was at Gilroy convention in 1980, as I stood outside in the line for the cafeteria, near a young couple close to my age. One of them asked me a question, and though I can't remember what the question was now, it was something that required a lot more wisdom and knowledge than I had, and I knew it. I stammered out, rather embarrassed, that I didn't know. The aspect of it that is still salient with me is that both the young couple and I seemed to feel that a worker, though "brand new," should somehow kind of automatically possess this wisdom or knowledge. The fact they asked me indicated to me they seemed to feel that way, and the fact that I was embarrassed at not knowing showed me I had the same assumption. Well, workers are definitely "tested" in getting along with co-workers, both "in the field" and at preps, conventions, special meetings, etc., but we were admittedly insulated from many of the stresses of marriage and making a living. ( Later addition) However, speaking of "being tested as Christians" sounds to me as if life is intended to be some kind of an endurance test, rewarded by "heaven" out there somewhere. I see the entire Judeo-Christian saga as "experiments" in "alternative communities," which have mostly been apparent failures because of human pride, fear, etc., but with a door of hope always opening to the future. I do appreciate William Irvine's efforts to "live by faith," even though he became so self-important after a few years. I do appreciate the attempt to address the question of Matthew 10, and even though it has become so heavily institutionalized now, it brings to my mind the question, "Are there not any special commissions in this way now? Is there any "radical discipleship," "radical throwing off of security" now?" I believe it does exist, and I am glad I was raised with that question presented to me, even though I am no longer active in the fellowship. We did involve ourselves in environmental "clean-up days" a time or two (here in the islands again), and my co-workers and I involved ourselves in the community life in many ways, particularly in the Marshall Islands - gathering crop food, fishing (supper, not recreation there, and I never became good at it!), gathering firewood, etc. I have never been an "arts and crafts" person. I did like to play the piano or organ when one was available, and during my later years in the work I began to read quite a bit. Here in the islands, I spent a lot of time studying language, either with a book or through lengthy sessions speaking with people in the community. While here on Guam I studied Tagalog, then on Pohnpei worked on Pohnpeian for awhile, before deciding to to pursue the Marshallese language more intently, and focusing on it for years (until now actually, as I help pay the bills through English - Marshallese translation). That's what I remember at the moment, for what it's worth - question are welcome, and they'll likely bring further reflection and memories . . . Alan ,thanks so much for your reply! How I wish that there was more of a open communication today between workers and friends!And also that friends would be involved in making decisions on important matters. I have asked my overseer that I want to be involved in setting up guidelines to prevent and deal with CSA and sexual immoralities since those subjects directly affect us,I haven't had a reply yet but as Wally said they do get a lot of correspondence so I will wait a little longer than a week,2 weeks should be more than sufficient for a reply even for me as a busy mother a week would be more than sufficient. When I did not have children I was not so much annoyed by workers lack of being involved in to much else than preaching the gospel.Now that I am a mother it annoys me to see workers not doing much in the physical sense. I don't know if one would have seen Jesus live as most of the workers do today and I don't know if Jesus meant that that is how people should live that preach the Gospel.Jesus did say that those who preach the Gospel can live of it but that doesn't mean they should not do some physical labour.
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on May 1, 2016 18:11:10 GMT -5
Interesting. It's a two-way street, isn't it! Friendliness is one of the basics of Godly love. But as you say God will show you where in His time. I attend the local non denominational church Bible study at times, I told the workers in our area about it,they said they have tried to go to different churches to be a help but found that they were not willing to listen to what they had to say.The one that I attend I must say I have found very open to my input.
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on May 1, 2016 18:20:42 GMT -5
When I did not have children I was not so much annoyed by workers lack of being involved in to much else than preaching the gospel.Now that I am a mother it annoys me to see workers not doing much in the physical sense. I don't know if one would have seen Jesus live as most of the workers do today and I don't know if Jesus meant that that is how people should live that preach the Gospel.Jesus did say that those who preach the Gospel can live of it but that doesn't mean they should not do some physical labour. Paul evidently worked at his profession as a tent-maker. It may be risky to say there is one "formula" that would work in any place, any era. Thoug I appreciate the workers' addressing of the "going out on faith" question, it does seem to me that it has been very formulaic, thus not really requiring faith, though it may still be a sacrifice. In this way too, the islands did provide me with a very different experience than North America. Though your post was concerning physical labor, I am talking about faith, but for me God's provision has sometimes come in the form of a means of working to pay my way somewhere. It never happened that way in the work though. Physical work was more a matter of "helping people out," which doesn't seem to me to quite address the issue, though it is a step in that direction.
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