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Post by karlgraff on Nov 16, 2009 21:59:56 GMT -5
so then it's Jesus plus, or within the context of the itinerant ministry- right?
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Post by karlgraff on Nov 17, 2009 0:28:01 GMT -5
so then it's Jesus plus, or within the context of the itinerant ministry- right? ~~ You're a pastor of your own little church in Freemont NE. Why, does your church denomination need pastors or preachers to lead your sect flock and bring others to Christ? Isn't that Jesus + Plus Pastors/preacher/ministers, right?Obviously you have me confused with someone else. I do not pastor a church. What would that matter anyway- can't you just answer?
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Post by karlgraff on Nov 17, 2009 1:29:17 GMT -5
So can anyone lead anyone to know Jesus?
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Post by kiwi on Nov 17, 2009 1:46:24 GMT -5
So can anyone lead anyone to know Jesus? They can if they know Jesus.
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Post by september on Nov 18, 2009 8:46:23 GMT -5
Kiwi, Nathan, do you believe that anyone outside of the fellowship can claim to know Jesus?
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Post by JO on Nov 23, 2009 20:39:30 GMT -5
Can you put me in touch with the true Valdois Nathan?
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Post by JO on Nov 23, 2009 23:20:12 GMT -5
Thanks.
How will we know when another group becomes the inheritor of the apostolic faith?
Do you think more than one group can be an inheritor of the apostolic faith at the same time?
Or does one have to fall out of favor so that another group can get the franchise?
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Post by moline on Jan 1, 2010 3:51:47 GMT -5
I cannot believe the misguided stuff that nathan goes on about The 2x2 sect that is very clearly formed with the combined assosciation of w irvine ,E cooney , J Long in the mid 1990's Quite an amazing zeal and evangelical movement was taking place and much good service was indeed accomplished by many of these young men who travelled far and wide preaching from gods word Why throw scorn on such men This early evangelical work should be valued for what it was and they did not , at first, try to start a new sect , even when a new sect was derived from that begining they still promoted the scripture and these early preachers , having been brought to christ thru mainstream church theology , had a good grip on doctrine The 2x2 sect grew into a more cultlike sect when it started to deny its beginings [ as nathan still is] , they became ''exclusive'' brought in ''rules'' excomunicated without redress and the list could go on
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Post by snow on Jan 1, 2010 15:40:54 GMT -5
I cannot believe the misguided stuff that nathan goes on about The 2x2 sect that is very clearly formed with the combined assosciation of w irvine ,E cooney , J Long in the mid 1990's Quite an amazing zeal and evangelical movement was taking place and much good service was indeed accomplished by many of these young men who travelled far and wide preaching from gods word Why throw scorn on such men This early evangelical work should be valued for what it was and they did not , at first, try to start a new sect , even when a new sect was derived from that begining they still promoted the scripture and these early preachers , having been brought to christ thru mainstream church theology , had a good grip on doctrine The 2x2 sect grew into a more cultlike sect when it started to deny its beginings [ as nathan still is] , they became ''exclusive'' brought in ''rules'' excomunicated without redress and the list could go on ~~ I am not denying the history of William Irivine, John Long, Edward Cooney, George Walker's beginning of Jesus New Testament fellowship in 1899-
What I am saying is.... these early workers desire of wanting to return to Jesus and apostolic 2x2 Itinerant ministry and fellowship is Nothing new! there has always been men and women doing the same thing for more than 1800 yrs before WI, John Long, Eddy Cooney tried to copy the same pattern it in 1899- Oh? That's interesting. What other religions did the 2x2 thing before the 2x2's? I have been looking for the link and the closest I got to seeing some similarities in where the 2x2's might have got some of their beliefs were the Cathars in France. Otherewise I have not been able to find any continual, consistent progression back to Jesus' time.
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Post by moline on Jan 1, 2010 17:45:35 GMT -5
Thats right snow, nathan talks a lot of bulldust [as we in australia would say] the groups he tries to link the 2x2's with have no doctrinal similarity with the 2x2 ministry The very early itinerent preachers from which the 2x2 started were John Long and William Irvine and Eddie Cooney , good men who were traveling evangelists BTW Snow have you ever read John Longs journal ? worth a read you will fing it on Cherrie Crops site ''Telling The Truth '' I can send you links if you cannot find it I personally knew Eddie Cooney and have a fairly good idea on his views
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Post by moline on Jan 1, 2010 18:10:54 GMT -5
This is an extract from john longs journal
The revival began in a town which was mostly a Roman population, under very unfavourable circumstances; owing to bad attendances, the Methodist Church was closed, as the Protestants in that town were few in number. At his [Wm Irvine’s] first meeting only five persons attended; but at the closing meeting, there were one hundred present. He fought the battle and won the victory alone in prayer with God in his lodging, when God gave him that promise; "And lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee." Acts 27:24. The Protestant School Mistress, Sister Oakley, was the first to get saved; altogether upwards of thirty persons of position and note got converted; most of them afterwards gave up all that they had to follow Jesus.
SEPTEMBER, 1897: During that month I visited Portumna and Borrisokane. Pastor Nesbitt resigned the superintendency of the Colportage work and Pastor Merrick accepted it. The society paid me the debt which enabled me to buy a second hand bicycle; it turned out to be of great use to me during the revival days that followed. At the mission held in Nenagh, a young man named Jack Carroll, also his sister May Carroll, got converted; they had a brother, Bill Carroll, this is a record from John Longs diary entries so it is not just the rambling of some old man
My personal knowledge of the sect comes more from E Coonies perspective even tho my gradparents were in the sect from early days too but thru the w irvine line Cooney became associated with irvine in the next year [1898]
G Walkers entry into the sect came in 1899
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Post by snow on Jan 1, 2010 19:14:41 GMT -5
This is an extract from john longs journal The revival began in a town which was mostly a Roman population, under very unfavourable circumstances; owing to bad attendances, the Methodist Church was closed, as the Protestants in that town were few in number. At his [Wm Irvine’s] first meeting only five persons attended; but at the closing meeting, there were one hundred present. He fought the battle and won the victory alone in prayer with God in his lodging, when God gave him that promise; "And lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee." Acts 27:24. The Protestant School Mistress, Sister Oakley, was the first to get saved; altogether upwards of thirty persons of position and note got converted; most of them afterwards gave up all that they had to follow Jesus. SEPTEMBER, 1897: During that month I visited Portumna and Borrisokane. Pastor Nesbitt resigned the superintendency of the Colportage work and Pastor Merrick accepted it. The society paid me the debt which enabled me to buy a second hand bicycle; it turned out to be of great use to me during the revival days that followed. At the mission held in Nenagh, a young man named Jack Carroll, also his sister May Carroll, got converted; they had a brother, Bill Carroll, this is a record from John Longs diary entries so it is not just the rambling of some old man My personal knowledge of the sect comes more from E Coonies perspective even tho my gradparents were in the sect from early days too but thru the w irvine line Cooney became associated with irvine in the next year [1898] G Walkers entry into the sect came in 1899 Fascinating! I have been thinking about this for many years and doing research and reading trying to find out where the 2x2's got their beliefs from. I was looking quite a bit further back, never thinking it was only around 100 years ago. Thanks for the post and I will go read the rest. I still think the Cathars had a similar belief system too because their preachers were paired like the 2x2's and they also had some pretty rigid rules when it came to sexuality, morality and clothing.
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Post by moline on Jan 1, 2010 21:41:41 GMT -5
Hi Snow yes it was a very interesting time, however there have been many ''revivals'' back to basics i am at present involved with a penticostal church . that had its revival about the same time , the difference is that they set down a written tenet and abided by that of course some strayed out of line and thru the structure are usually able to be brought back into the good basic teaching. with the 2x2's however they became exclusive and rejected good sound doctrinal teaching so that the younger workers today have no cnance of sound teaching, they simply learn from an older worker and like '' chinese wispers'' without a good sound writen down tenet , the belief system becomes tainted with many of mens ideas
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Post by moline on Apr 30, 2010 22:25:49 GMT -5
Gee Nathan you can go over a lot of words that most people know and a lot of words that mean nothing as far as salvation isconcerned Are you trying to tell us the 2x2 sect is a truly christian movement today? Jesus died on the cross to save you [and me] , end of story the theif on the cross beleived , end of story we are saved by Grace thru faith end of story Gods salvation is simple JUST BELEIVE your complicated concourse of a WAY has nothing to do with salvation
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