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Post by placid-void on Oct 17, 2008 14:41:05 GMT -5
I recall little if any theological formalism (beyond the KJV) in the 2X2 fellowship.
Can someone tell me if "original sin" or "predestination" were fundamental tenets of 2X2 faith.
Thanks
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Post by irvinegrey on Oct 18, 2008 8:50:10 GMT -5
I think that both these are excellent questions but I am afraid the answer to them is going to be difficult because of the lack of any written statement of faith or creed by the 2x2s. As part of my researach when I reach the theological side of the 2x2s i will be looking for answers to both these questions along with a number of others!
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Post by nancy on Oct 18, 2008 15:30:12 GMT -5
yknot,
a newborn baby is pure.
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Post by placid-void on Oct 18, 2008 15:54:54 GMT -5
Thank you 'nancy'. Your answer suggests that "original sin" is not a fundamental tenet of the 2X2 faith which is consistent with my recollection since baptism is voluntary and not until after the age of understanding is reached and one has professed the faith for awhile.
Can someone tell me about "predestination"? Thanks.
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Post by outsidein on Oct 25, 2008 11:02:36 GMT -5
Thank you 'nancy'. Your answer suggests that "original sin" is not a fundamental tenet of the 2X2 faith which is consistent with my recollection since baptism is voluntary and not until after the age of understanding is reached and one has professed the faith for awhile. Can someone tell me about "predestination"? Thanks. ~~~ No, I don't believe God has predestined so and so to be saved and so and so to be damned for eternity.
For the Grace of God that bringeth Salvation has appeared to ALL MEN. (Titus 2:10)
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; who will have ALL MEN to be SAVED, and come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. (I Timothy 2:3-5)
~~~ God has predestined for ALL to be saved by believing and accepting His Son as the Mediator and Savior between them and God the Father.So you believe that all will be saved?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2008 14:31:15 GMT -5
I would suggest that salvation predestination is not a tenet. However, it would be commonly believed that the changes in one's life after free choice to serve God is predestined. That is, it's like how the seed is predestined to bear the same fruit as what the seed came from. The "sowing" of God's precepts will have an inevitable result.
I'm not a worker btw. However, upon some requests no workers have volunteered to participate here. So in the meantime, let's try to discuss what we perceive as common F&W beliefs the best we can. Maybe a worker or two will show up eventually and be interested in sharing their faith.
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Post by placid-void on Oct 26, 2008 14:51:51 GMT -5
Thanks all who have responded on this thread. Your responses have been clear, concise and helpful. Again, thank you very much.
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Post by selah on Nov 9, 2008 23:12:15 GMT -5
Hi yknot,
Thinking about the original sin question....after I was away from meetings for awhile, a worker said to me, "We have a very basic difference in our beliefs...you believe in original sin and we do not."
That my have been her own personal view, since I think some workers DO believe in original sin.
Yes, babies are born pure, as nancy pointed out, but they are born into an impure realm of living, inherited through Adam and Eve, who were restricted from the divine nurture of the Tree of Life. In that way, original sin was carried through the generations to the time of Christ. At that time Jesus removed the curse, making that close relationship with God available once again. The world continues outside of the nurture of God, only because they are not enlightened to what Jesus did. Some remain in the state of original sin, even though it isn't necessary.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by shushy on Nov 10, 2008 18:15:43 GMT -5
Unfortunately we are also born with generational sin from our forfathers up to the 3rd and 4th generation. Which is a curse from God as in the OT. We are born into a sinful environment, satan being the prince of the power of the air. The invisible realm. Children are innocent.
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Post by muse2 on Apr 9, 2019 11:49:36 GMT -5
I recall a brother worker speaking about predestination in our home. He said something along the lines that the way of salvation was predestined not individuals.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 11, 2019 3:13:15 GMT -5
Thank you 'nancy'. Your answer suggests that "original sin" is not a fundamental tenet of the 2X2 faith which is consistent with my recollection since baptism is voluntary and not until after the age of understanding is reached and one has professed the faith for awhile. Can someone tell me about "predestination"? Thanks. Jesus told the parable of the sower, the sower sowed the seed in all grounds, but it was only the good ground that the seed sank deeply into and then brought forth life. Many are called, but few are chosen. God chooses those who when they hear the word they repent, this is like the good soft ground, the good heart, those who turn to him when they hear the truth and are ready to follow Jesus and live by God's will.
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Post by mountain on Apr 23, 2019 12:23:51 GMT -5
We are pre-destined in Christ, not by ourselves. It is our acceptance of Jesus which makes us pre-destined. It is those who accept Christ who are predestined.
I don't understand the concept of original sin as some denominations put it, but we are all born in sin (i.e. with a nature prone towards sinning) and shapen in iniquity. TRhat's good enough for my understanding.
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Post by nathan on Apr 24, 2019 1:14:26 GMT -5
We are pre-destined in Christ, not by ourselves. It is our acceptance of Jesus which makes us pre-destined. It is those who accept Christ who are predestined. Amen. God has predestinated ALL to be SAVED, who accept God and Christ as their Savior. That was the main reason for Christ to incarnate Himself in the person of Jesus to die for the Old (Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, king David, and so on) and New Testament people/believers sins who put their trust in the coming of their Redeemer.
I don't understand the concept of original sin as some denominations put it, but we are all born in sin (i.e. with a nature prone towards sinning) and shapen in iniquity. TRhat's good enough for my understanding. The sins of disobedience= 1st and 2nd death of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden passed on their human children. For ALL have sinned and come short before God. Every fallen human on earth needs the blood of Jesus to cleanse or their sins to be forgiven before the Father. Jesus/God is the ONLY being can wash our sins with his own precious blood the Lamb of God/Man before God.
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Post by mountain on Apr 24, 2019 16:19:44 GMT -5
We are pre-destined in Christ, not by ourselves. It is our acceptance of Jesus which makes us pre-destined. It is those who accept Christ who are predestined. Amen. God has predestinated ALL to be SAVED, who accept God and Christ as their Savior. That was the main reason for Christ to incarnate Himself in the person of Jesus to die for the Old (Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, king David, and so on) and New Testament people/believers sins who put their trust in the coming of their Redeemer.
I don't understand the concept of original sin as some denominations put it, but we are all born in sin (i.e. with a nature prone towards sinning) and shapen in iniquity. TRhat's good enough for my understanding. The sins of disobedience= 1st and 2nd death of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden passed on their human children. For ALL have sinned and come short before God. Every fallen human on earth needs the blood of Jesus to cleanse or their sins to be forgiven before the Father. Jesus/God is the ONLY being can wash our sins with his own precious blood the Lamb of God/Man before God.As a result of the disobedience of Adam and Eve, who took on the nature of good and evil (abhorent to God), human nature, rather than the Godly nature they were created with, their progeny also inherited this sin prone nature. Taking on the Godly nature became necessary for salvation. Generally I agree with what you are saying Nathan. The point I was trying to make but could have been clearer, is that some denominations have made a doctrine about original sin. I think this is unnecessary and confusing, usually because some who promote it quite simply don't understand what actually happened.
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