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Post by Sylvestra on Jul 30, 2010 9:42:59 GMT -5
Thank you both, Rob O and someguy for your thoughts.
Rob, we are doing as well as the very slow economy and high unemployment here in USA will allow! We're still able to pay the bills, but don't have a lot of confidence re: $$ for the near future!
Health is good for the shape we're in LOL!
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Post by aflrx on Aug 5, 2010 22:16:24 GMT -5
Just wondering how members here feel about the death penalty. Do your religious beliefs influence your opinion? I know what I'm about to say will be very controversial, but I firmly believe this. Do you believe in the death penalty? If you do believe in it, would you be willing to pull the switch that would cause the actual death of the person? Or put in the lethal injection in their arm? Would you be willing to actually do this? In my opinion, if you are not willing to do this, to actually kill the person 'in the name of the people' with a black cloke over your head, hidden from view, then how can you say you believe in the death penalty? Obviously someone has got to do the killing part of the death sentence, and if we say we believe in capital punishment, but we would never want to be the one to do the killing, is not this a contradiction in the purest sense of the word? It has been proven that it costs the country MORE money to give the person the death penalty than to keep them imprisoned for life anyways, due to all the legal red tape the death penalty imposes. Not that money is what matters. And to me, being in a dingy horrible maximum security prison for the rest of your life is a worse sentence than dying for your crimes. Just think of it - 50 years in prison with no chance of parole. THAT is unspeakable torture - (well deserving)
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Post by snow on Aug 8, 2010 14:35:44 GMT -5
Just wondering how members here feel about the death penalty. Do your religious beliefs influence your opinion? I know what I'm about to say will be very controversial, but I firmly believe this. Do you believe in the death penalty? If you do believe in it, would you be willing to pull the switch that would cause the actual death of the person? Or put in the lethal injection in their arm? Would you be willing to actually do this? In my opinion, if you are not willing to do this, to actually kill the person 'in the name of the people' with a black cloke over your head, hidden from view, then how can you say you believe in the death penalty? Obviously someone has got to do the killing part of the death sentence, and if we say we believe in capital punishment, but we would never want to be the one to do the killing, is not this a contradiction in the purest sense of the word? It has been proven that it costs the country MORE money to give the person the death penalty than to keep them imprisoned for life anyways, due to all the legal red tape the death penalty imposes. Not that money is what matters. And to me, being in a dingy horrible maximum security prison for the rest of your life is a worse sentence than dying for your crimes. Just think of it - 50 years in prison with no chance of parole. THAT is unspeakable torture - (well deserving) I pretty much agree with this. In a sense we are asking someone to commit the same deed the one being sentenced to the death penalty did. Killing is killing imo and unless we are willing to pull the switch, we shouldn't expect someone else to do it. Of course there will always be those who don't mind pulling the switch, so...
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Post by shushy on Aug 8, 2010 21:45:16 GMT -5
I couldnt do it.
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Post by snow on Aug 8, 2010 22:36:40 GMT -5
Neither could I.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 9, 2010 11:45:20 GMT -5
Just wondering how members here feel about the death penalty. Do your religious beliefs influence your opinion? I know what I'm about to say will be very controversial, but I firmly believe this. Do you believe in the death penalty? If you do believe in it, would you be willing to pull the switch that would cause the actual death of the person? Or put in the lethal injection in their arm? Would you be willing to actually do this? In my opinion, if you are not willing to do this, to actually kill the person 'in the name of the people' with a black cloke over your head, hidden from view, then how can you say you believe in the death penalty? Obviously someone has got to do the killing part of the death sentence, and if we say we believe in capital punishment, but we would never want to be the one to do the killing, is not this a contradiction in the purest sense of the word? It has been proven that it costs the country MORE money to give the person the death penalty than to keep them imprisoned for life anyways, due to all the legal red tape the death penalty imposes. Not that money is what matters. And to me, being in a dingy horrible maximum security prison for the rest of your life is a worse sentence than dying for your crimes. Just think of it - 50 years in prison with no chance of parole. THAT is unspeakable torture - (well deserving) I want people to have dental work, but I don't want to do it. That said, I believe I could be the one to put someone to death who was required to die. (Still don't think I could pull a tooth.) When I look at God's Law and why he required the death penalty for some crimes, it was equitable. (The punishment fit the crime.) And with the death penalty, it was only carried out because no restitution was possible for the victim. Otherwise, they would be required to restore the victim. In God's Law, there is no revenge for people to carry out on others. I believe making a murderer sit in a small cell for the rest of his live is revenge. Just some observations along the way..... Edy
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Post by emy on Aug 9, 2010 13:18:29 GMT -5
I like your thoughts, Edy!
Not sure how I would react to pulling the switch. It might be different for different situations.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 9, 2010 17:10:24 GMT -5
I like your thoughts, Edy! Not sure how I would react to pulling the switch. It might be different for different situations. emy, the way I look at this is IF I knew it was God's will and completed God's purpose for society, and IF it was beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was guilty and needed to be removed from society, I could do the deed. In the situation of today's civil society, I don't believe I could do the deed. There is too much error in the laws that oversee society, in my opinion. (Such as withholding evidence to keep the upper hand from the opposition.) Edy
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Post by emy on Aug 9, 2010 17:51:19 GMT -5
I like your thoughts, Edy! Not sure how I would react to pulling the switch. It might be different for different situations. emy, the way I look at this is IF I knew it was God's will and completed God's purpose for society, and IF it was beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was guilty and needed to be removed from society, I could do the deed. In the situation of today's civil society, I don't believe I could do the deed. There is too much error in the laws that oversee society, in my opinion. (Such as withholding evidence to keep the upper hand from the opposition.) Edy I agree on all counts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2010 21:51:47 GMT -5
emy, the way I look at this is IF I knew it was God's will and completed God's purpose for society, and IF it was beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was guilty and needed to be removed from society, I could do the deed. In the situation of today's civil society, I don't believe I could do the deed. There is too much error in the laws that oversee society, in my opinion. (Such as withholding evidence to keep the upper hand from the opposition.) Edy I agree on all counts. I once lived in a state that only executed one person: the wrong person, it turned out--so they dropped the program. I agree with Edy in that I don't think it's revenge if society makes the determination. However, I couldn't do it....I just couldn't.
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Post by rational on Aug 11, 2010 21:34:08 GMT -5
emy, the way I look at this is IF I knew it was God's will and completed God's purpose for society, and IF it was beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was guilty and needed to be removed from society, I could do the deed. and You could kill another human being, who had not wronged or threatened you in any way? Because someone decided they "needed to be removed" from society (in this case killed)? Because a higher power has approved/ordered it? You have no moral or ethical problem with this? I guess if you were ever brought to trial you could claim Befehl ist Befehl. It hasn't had great success in the past but it is worth a try.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2010 18:13:26 GMT -5
Rational, would you kill a carrot which had not offended you in any way? Would you uproot that living thing and cut it up (whilst still alive) and place it in boiling water until it was not only dead, but had gone soft, all to satiate your hunger?
I tell you this, a murderer is less worthy of life than an innocent carrot. If you could not dispatch a human being no longer worthy of life, then reconsider your position regarding the more worthy carrot!
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Post by rational on Aug 23, 2010 19:56:36 GMT -5
Rational, would you kill a carrot which had not offended you in any way? Would you uproot that living thing and cut it up (whilst still alive) and place it in boiling water until it was not only dead, but had gone soft, all to satiate your hunger? How would you know when the carrot was dead? But that is beside the point. I would do the above. I would even eat it uncooked. I do not believe you can tell me this with absolute certainty. All good and well in theory and in the abstract. Tell, me, have you been in this position? Could you look into the eyes of another human and kill them? Many have found themselves in a "kill or be killed" situation and cannot bring themselves to kill. Some who have must live with the deed for the rest of their lives.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Aug 25, 2010 12:27:33 GMT -5
Many have bags over their heads. The executioner does not have to look into the eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 14:30:45 GMT -5
Rational, would you kill a carrot which had not offended you in any way? Would you uproot that living thing and cut it up (whilst still alive) and place it in boiling water until it was not only dead, but had gone soft, all to satiate your hunger? How would you know when the carrot was dead? But that is beside the point. I would do the above. I would even eat it uncooked. You disclose a total lack of mercy towards vegetable produce. Shame on you!I do not believe you can tell me this with absolute certainty. Okay, we'll settle for just "certainty!" All good and well in theory and in the abstract. Tell, me, have you been in this position? Could you look into the eyes of another human and kill them? I have only been in this position with carrots and other like matter. Even onions make me shed tears when I have to take their lives. So far, I haven't tried human beings. In most cases people who kill others don't look into their eyes.Many have found themselves in a "kill or be killed" situation and cannot bring themselves to kill. Some who have must live with the deed for the rest of their lives. I find this extraordinary. You say many have found themselves in a KILL or BE KILLED situation and cannot bring themselves to kill? Presumably these people are all dead since it was a kill or be killed situation? I'm afraid we all have to live with deeds for the rest of our lives. Many on this board have that problem with having ever professed. See how messed up they are.
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Post by rational on Aug 25, 2010 20:37:09 GMT -5
I have only been in this position with carrots and other like matter. Even onions make me shed tears when I have to take their lives. So far, I haven't tried human beings. In most cases people who kill others don't look into their eyes. I am guessing you never served in the military. Oh, sometimes there were those in the area who looked after them. As in many things, talking about it is not exactly the same as experiencing it. I hope that talking about it is all you will ever have to do.
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Post by rational on Aug 25, 2010 20:38:53 GMT -5
Many have bags over their heads. The executioner does not have to look into the eyes. Hmm, I never thought of offering bags. I doubt they would have used them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 21:40:18 GMT -5
Many have bags over their heads. The executioner does not have to look into the eyes. Hmm, I never thought of offering bags. I doubt they would have used them. I can just see it now: paper or plastic? Just like at the grocery store.
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