Post of the week Jan 23, 2010 16:12:27 GMT -5
Post by Admin on Jan 23, 2010 16:12:27 GMT -5
Jan 23, 2010 12:12:28 GMT -5 @september said:DC, I'm not arguing a spiritual heritage and never have. All I am saying is that the fellowship was started/established/founded in a physical sense by men that had no contact with obscure European Christian fellowship movements. To claim otherwise is deceitful and misleading and given the fallout from lies/insinuation/obfuscating in the past, it is reckless to try to present fantastical yearnings as possible fact.
Never mind the rambling memoirs of some old duffer who claims WI's sister had a dream/set out chairs for the meeting/travelled to Italy etc. Those stories do not have any credibility amongst the families in Ireland that have direct descent from the early friends and workers. They never have. There have been those amongst them that are as keen as Nathan to have a physical link with any obscure itinerant ministry in order to verify the "Shores of Galilee" nonsense but they know the truth about the origins of the fellowship.
The early workers and friends were as capable then as they are now of putting an appealing spin to a story to make the truth more palatable and that is what R Darling was doing. I know about the spin - my own family indulged in it at a time too. That and bankrolling the fledgling movement right from the very start. Bankrolling men that hadn't travelled further than their own townland in many cases, much less Europe and certainly for most, a cursory education that would have fallen short in teaching of Vaudois, Old Men of Lyons etc. Nathan ought to visit Ireland and speak to those that are just one generation removed from the beginnings and he'll learn how fanciful the claims to a link are. At least Cherie Kropp bothered to investigate at a nut and bolts level which to my mind gives her research infinitely more credibility than that of those that haven't. Which of course includes one Dr. Janean who inspite of all his academic nous, didn't bother to talk to the older friends and workers in Ireland either.