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Post by jhjmr on Apr 3, 2009 13:19:00 GMT -5
The twins had their day in court and it ended up with some surprises. One girl admitted to the court that she had told lies and said she was sorry and was released to the custody of her parents. The other girl would not so she went home with the bail bondsman. Both girls are released from the forensic center. The girl that didn't admit to anything will be back in court at a later date. She didn't want to be released to her parents or go with her sister. So, sadly the twins are now seperated after all of the mess they have been through.
Yes, JF was in court along with a lot of the people that go to meeting. I'm sure the court was glad to see the whole bunch leave again as they leave such a terrible picture for the courts to observe. A cult in motion!
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Post by jphillips on Apr 3, 2009 13:40:50 GMT -5
Will the twins have to re-profess?
Or do they have a 'PASS GO" card with Jerome?
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Post by jhjmr on Apr 3, 2009 13:47:18 GMT -5
One will meet with her parents that is rejected by JF and the other has been said to have thrown her bible along with the ex workers. Since the lying took place while they supposedly professed, what would you want to re-profess into? I wonder why JF would even have any PASS GO card? I guess that would be to play his game with his rules.
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Post by emy on Apr 3, 2009 16:22:11 GMT -5
I don't understand what you mean by this. Please clarify?
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Post by jphillips on Apr 3, 2009 17:34:17 GMT -5
I don't understand what you mean by this. Please clarify? emy the following post was on another thread. So it appears the two MI sister Workers are now out of the faith. The two ex workers are now ex period!! They do not go to meeting any more. The excuse is that they don't like the way that some workers do things. That definitely goes a long ways with the way workers does things since they were workers and did things!! So, you'd really wonder what all of their support thinks now. Jerome is in Ky. but what's new about that? He put GH in as overseer, but that really was just really a back up for him. Don't kid yourself, he is overseer of Ky. too. He is out for the big time. Boss of the east. CEO. head huncho, money bags, and great control. Just look around and you can tell who is serving God and who is serving Jerome. The spirit sure does give the answer!! I'll bet everyone knows who gives a person a good spirit and guess how many have a bad spirit? It appears the Workers aren't any different than the faith's followers if severely chastised. The poster notes they left because they don't like the way some Workers do things. It would be interesting if it is relevant to the MI predicament or accumulated instances earlier in their days in the Work. Wonder if they regret the years of their life now lost? Years never to be recaptured. Their fates in life would be much different today if they had selected a different route for life than the Work.
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Post by Sharon on Apr 3, 2009 18:43:16 GMT -5
Well, sounds like both the Russian girls are out of JF's jurisdiction anyway...one with the parents he has denounced and the other with the exworkers who've denounced the truth's fellowship.
Probably a good thing....leaves some "controlling" issues out of a possibility, I hope!
I've thought of the family through all of this, and have prayed for the "best" outcome for all! Also have prayed that humility could reign where the controlling issues came from...but suppose that's another issue. Thanks for the update!
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Post by jhjmr on Apr 3, 2009 20:44:43 GMT -5
The twin that is with the bondsman is not allowed to see the ex workers even though they are living in a trailer just a few doors away. She can only see her dr. and I believe her attorney. Her attorney had her declared competent and she will have to stand trial on lying charges. We'll see what the attorney has in mind for having her declared competent because most usually they try to do to keep their client unresponsible. Wonder what excuse JF will have now that the one twins admitted to lying and said she was sorry. I don't think there will be an apology from JF or all the other people that have egg on their faces!
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Post by jphillips on Apr 3, 2009 21:15:05 GMT -5
The twin that is with the bondsman is not allowed to see the ex workers even though they are living in a trailer just a few doors away. She can only see her dr. and I believe her attorney. Her attorney had her declared competent and she will have to stand trial on lying charges. We'll see what the attorney has in mind for having her declared competent because most usually they try to do to keep their client unresponsible. Wonder what excuse JF will have now that the one twins admitted to lying and said she was sorry. I don't think there will be an apology from JF or all the other people that have egg on their faces! I guess no early morning walks with the twin(s) for JF, anymore!
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Post by Pink on Apr 4, 2009 23:26:07 GMT -5
I'm sure he can find someone else to prey on.............and I mean prey, not pray
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Post by White Knight on Apr 6, 2009 21:31:17 GMT -5
Yes I was at the hearing on 27th of MARCH 2009. There were only 5 of us pulse the one twin at one end. And some distance from use were but not limited to: A state social worker, (who is a social worker specialising in baby and infant deaths sids). and has been assisting this group, JF, BW Another lady, and an elder that started the rumour against the family from NOV 08 hearing plus the bounds man and his wife, the twins’ physiatrist and the other twin and her two attorneys, IMO are not working for her, but the group.
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Post by peace and joy on Apr 7, 2009 12:05:07 GMT -5
Since the bondsman is only living a few doors down from the ex-workers, how much involvement in the Michigan mess did the bondsman have?
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Post by jhjmr on Apr 7, 2009 14:54:47 GMT -5
He is the one that secured bond for the girls when they wee arrested. He is very much involved with the ex workers and JF. He also is an ex. There are more involved that made very disturbing statements and have encouraged the girls to lie, that is not just speculation either. It seems like the way out of a hole is to just keep digging deeper.
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Post by peace and joy on Apr 8, 2009 13:28:10 GMT -5
No, they were not implying that the situation was caused by exes. The sister workers who were involved from the beginning were not exes when this started, though they now are.
jhjmr: Do you think that there will continue to be those who try to dig the hole deeper even after one of the twins has admitted to lying? I feel so bad for all involved who were hurt by this. It would be nice if there could be some apologizes now and some healing.
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Post by pianoman on Apr 8, 2009 13:40:22 GMT -5
Sadly, these cases are taken so seriously, and rightly so, but when one confesses to lying, they are usually the ones that are discounted. It doesn't sound like that will happen here, and from my off board accounts, those that remain steady in the lies will only suffer more. This is bound to cause a great division, in the fellowship, and there will never be a winner, and there may never be peace or forgiveness.
These are the saddest cases that exist. They make the real cases seem less credible.
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Post by White Knight on Apr 8, 2009 20:23:24 GMT -5
Please feel free to check the whole of the story out throughout all the threads. You may find it amusing, and find or see to what extremes others have really tried to discredit us. Including the twins and there many helpers. So a real apologue is in order here. AS I now represent most of the two hundred people. We do not wish to glory in the battles spoil but we do want or names cleared and to my understanding this may end up in a civil suit. WE do hope that there is some kind of intervention so that one does not have to take such action. Ps; There was a lot of action in the beginning, now most want to sweep it away. Why not all of us make it right and then move on? Instead of letting these matters fester away and maybe never heal. Lets face it we have all been saddened over this sickening fiasco.
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Post by dgaab on Apr 9, 2009 16:10:08 GMT -5
All-in-all, no one comes out a winner in this dilemma.
The court system, the District Attorney’s Office, the MI Workers(JF, LS, the two ex-sister Workers, ...), the twins, the falsely accused, any of the faith’s friends that might have taken sides, ... No one.
The accused though vindicated by the end results, of the twin(s) confessions, will never be made whole. Like the elementary school teacher accused of sexual abuse by a student, who later confesses that it was a lie for a bad grade, and that false assertion remands in the back of many people’s minds questioning “was there really something going on there?” That same aura of suspicion will always taint many of the lives and friendships of those falsely accused. Unfortunately, that’s the bare-bottom facts.
The MI Workers force has also been twisted from this predicament: reputations stained-and-or destroyed; Workers removed from their life’s dream of being ministers; other who have even left the faith, ...
A vengeful spirt of revenge, in all likelihood, will produce nothing but prolonging one’s festering wounds and the reality of more wasted/lost time in one’s life (which is finite).
No one comes out of this calamity unscarred.
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Post by lin on Apr 9, 2009 18:54:27 GMT -5
Great post Priscilla. There are no winners. It would be wonderful if all involved in the hurt could sit down and see how silly all of this has been. I was just going over some of the ugly things that were spoken here on TMB. Cruel words can never be changed. I've learned lately when you can say a lot,it's better to say nothing.
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Post by Pink on Apr 9, 2009 21:28:48 GMT -5
I found it hilarious when I spoke to a worker who is From Michigan who has Family in Michigan but he does labor in another state, when I asked him about the fiasco in MI................he said he really didn't know anything about it???!!!! Could one possibly believe that?
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Post by pianoman on Apr 9, 2009 21:47:55 GMT -5
This situation is like when a jury is instructed to disregard a remark. It can not be done. Once one has heard something, one can not forget it.
These accusations will live on in some minds forever. Even if a public apology is made, there will be some parties that will never change their minds on who is guilty and no matter what facts they are presented with, they will ignore what they choose, and will believe what they will.
One only needs to look at some that post on here, and remain unchanged in their opinions and style. Some will never change, regardless of what they are presented with.
As I stated, and has been stated above, there are no winners here, and only those that are willing to move on will have any modicum of stability in their lives again.
I pray for all, but hope for some healing for all, even those that will refuse the real truth.
Too many have been hurt, and it needs to stop. Hopefully we may all learn that vicious attacks, even in print here, can hurt and cause trauma that we aren't aware of.
I hope to learn this and be kinder to all..................................................Pianoman
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Apr 9, 2009 22:36:26 GMT -5
I found it hilarious when I spoke to a worker who is From Michigan who has Family in Michigan but he does labor in another state, when I asked him about the fiasco in MI................he said he really didn't know anything about it???!!!! Could one possibly believe that? My MIL has 2 professing siblings with kids in MN and 2 professing in laws (1 an elder and 1 an ex worker) and she didn't know about Tim Severud until about 3 weeks ago when I shared some things with her. Even if it is "out in the open" there is still an air of secrecy...
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Post by Pink on Apr 9, 2009 22:38:30 GMT -5
Whoa............kinda sad, huh?
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Apr 9, 2009 22:39:38 GMT -5
I know...you would think FAMILY would share stuff at least! Sad and scary, to me.
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Post by jphillips on Apr 10, 2009 6:43:46 GMT -5
I found it hilarious when I spoke to a worker who is From Michigan who has Family in Michigan but he does labor in another state, when I asked him about the fiasco in MI................he said he really didn't know anything about it???!!!! Could one possibly believe that? Not at all unusual inside the TRUTH. But if you didn't believe his answer you could have called the Worker a liar to his face! Or a nitwit, or ...
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Post by jphillips on Apr 10, 2009 7:24:02 GMT -5
All-in-all, no one comes out a winner in this dilemma. The court system, the District Attorney’s Office, the MI Workers(JF, LS, the two ex-sister Workers, ...), the twins, the falsely accused, any of the faith’s friends that might have taken sides, ... No one. The accused though vindicated by the end results, of the twin(s) confessions, will never be made whole. Like the elementary school teacher accused of sexual abuse by a student, who later confesses that it was a lie for a bad grade, and that false assertion remands in the back of many people’s minds questioning “was there really something going on there?” That same aura of suspicion will always taint many of the lives and friendships of those falsely accused. Unfortunately, that’s the bare-bottom facts. The MI Workers force has also been twisted from this predicament: reputations stained-and-or destroyed; Workers removed from their life’s dream of being ministers; other who have even left the faith, ... A vengeful spirt of revenge, in all likelihood, will produce nothing but prolonging one’s festering wounds and the reality of more wasted/lost time in one’s life (which is finite). No one comes out of this calamity unscarred. Are you saying some became atheists or did they just leave the 2x2? Please do not mix the 2x2 group with Christian Faith. Petty nitpicking. I see the phrase as self-explanatory - "others who have left the faith(as in departing the TRUTH)" Versus "lost their faith(as in their beleif in God)." Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez! Please do not mix the 2x2 group with Christian Faith. Just because you, or others, don't believe it is a Christian faith doesn't make it SO. Those that follow that beleif have every right to do so, immaterial of what other EXes may expound. Any faith/denomination/... can be picked apart with derogatory issues, sexual abuse incidents, ... if one backtracks their pathways through time. Not one Christain Faith is exempt from these issues over its existence, even those that have stanchly followed Jesus. Every Christian Fatih on EARTH has their own twist, of what they beleive is the RIGHT WAY, in the ministry Jesus proclaimed -- If not there'd only be a SINGLE faith/denomination/... on earth. That said as an EX that doesn't mean I'll ever return to the faith(as in TRUTH belief not my belief in God.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 7:24:19 GMT -5
I found it hilarious when I spoke to a worker who is From Michigan who has Family in Michigan but he does labor in another state, when I asked him about the fiasco in MI................he said he really didn't know anything about it???!!!! Could one possibly believe that? Not at all unusual inside the TRUTH. But if you didn't believe his answer you could have called the Worker a liar to his face! Or a nitwit, or ... Probably didn't know anything firsthand and didn't want to comment on his second and thirdhand information. I wouldn't blame him for trying to avoid discussing details, it was a confusing story with conflicting information for a long time, still is a bit muddled on some of it. Still, he shouldn't have avoided it altogether and should have been prepared to discuss how such things should or shouldn't be handled based on whatever Pink provided for information. Crises like this should be "teaching moments" by peripheral parties.....that's about the only good that can come out of such awful circumstances. However, if people aren't prepared to learn the lessons from them, they're not in a teaching position either.
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Post by pianoman on Apr 10, 2009 7:47:27 GMT -5
Clearday, I think that this is where many workers and friends are lacking, due to the separation issue.
I believe that many are so ill equipped to discuss these things in a manner that would teach and enlighten others, due to their lack of exposure to real things that happen outside of the "way".
I am not criticizing, but pointing out that communication skills and knowledge about how to handle these things are not situations that come from experience within the 2x2 way.
This is one issue where I feel that the way that some 2x2's practice separation, leads to ignorance about daily issues. Growing up in 2x2 homes can lead to a very sheltered existence, and leave one speechless when dealing with real events from the world.
Once again, not everyone that is B&R in the 2x2's is this sheltered in all aspects of life, but for the most part, I have found that many are not too well informed about everyday life, when it comes to certain issues.
I certainly agree that if he had knowledge, he should have taken the opportunity to teach and to at least be open enough to say that he would rather not discuss it, were that his choice.
I do know that many things that happen in the 2x2 way, are kept so quiet, that many are totally unaware of the goings on and when they do deny knowledge, they are being truthful.
I have asked questions to where I knew that the person with whom I was inquiring, had the knowledge of the situation, but did not know how to handle the subject. I chalk that up to different ones having different levels of communication skills.
What will be interesting to see is how this will end up impacting the fellowship as a whole. Division has happened already, and will the person or persons that know that they have been hoodwinked, really own up and try to heal the situation?
For the sake of all concerned, I hope that those that were on the wrong side will be willing to ask forgiveness, and receive it to cause the rift to be minimal, but I don't see that as a possibility.
Again, we all need to pray for a solution to this that will leave the least amount of casualties.
May blame be put aside, and truth and healing step forward..................Pianoman
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 9:01:14 GMT -5
"Ill equipped" is a good descriptor pianoman. A many decades ago, workers were probably the best "equipped" to provide guidance in many areas of life due to their traveling and experience. In today's modern and complex world though, that kind of experience is nowhere near enough to provide guidance on a whole range of issues.......they are "ill equipped" in many areas. Just being competent regarding the bible is a big challenge for anyone in the pastoring business.
Unfortunately I agree with you that many years of the separation doctrine has left both friends and workers without even good experience to help them deal with big challenges, let alone the formal education for it.
The fellowship needs to self examine and recognize its weaknesses, then take steps to correct it.
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Post by White Knight on Apr 10, 2009 10:04:36 GMT -5
I suppose sitting on a wealth of info that is very factual and is hard for others to take in but presenting it to you little by little so as for all to grasp what has, is and what will go on down the road. This has not been an easy task in the least. Having a P.I. on board has revealed some what, has also cost some what. But as I have said in many places and was mocked by others I have not lost a case yet and don’t intend to. One such finding there were ties found to several here on the board feeding the ex-sister workers on names and vice versa as well as other info. I am also aware of the list of names that was being past around by the ex-sister workers and others. This is pure maliciousness and has opened account one for/in defamation –defamatory libel-!!! BD was also showing this list around till he was called up told he was opening himself up to real problems if we found out about it. Yes I have the date, month, 2008. I am also aware of many of the ON CAN staff male and female also on the list. There are 10 different illegal criminal accounts currently being worked on. This is all I will say for now on this matter; as one knows when a battle of any sort is on some things have to be left to the attorneys. Does it not say; agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Then read the 26th verse. Math.5:25.26 & Math.18:15-35. So let’s all work together and clear this mess up, before it’s too late.
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