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Post by White Knight on Dec 21, 2008 21:40:41 GMT -5
I wonder have the authorities decreed that the twins are not to have any society with the workers or friends? If not, could this be the problem now? Is someone or someones trying to confuse the issue? This sounds like things are getting worse, not better! "Most likely" the court/authorities have turned the girls over to the doctors/hospital. In most cases the doctors/hospital would have ABSOLUTE control over who does/does not have contact with anyone behind their locked doors. The doctors/hospital would be watching/recording how patients act/react to every person they come in contact with. IMO, if anyone visitor was hindering progress they would be quickly banned from the visitors list. To put in perspective how much time patients have with the 'outside world' here are sample visiting hours. Weekday visiting hours: 6:30 p.m. - 7:30 p.m. Weekend and Holiday visiting hours: 11:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. - 7:30 p.m.Does anyone know if the girls are getting any visitors? (I'm sure they could use a few 'un-judging friends' about now) There is a different between a regular hospital and a forensic center, as they Intel different hours.
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Post by White Knight on Dec 21, 2008 21:47:21 GMT -5
Walker: I find it interesting how a small comment caused such a fury?
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Post by White Knight on Dec 21, 2008 22:03:36 GMT -5
Yes on the 17th of Dec, 2008. The one twin did not appear only the attorneys and a few others were there. As jhjmr, has already stated about what happened. I need not add any more.
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Post by White Knight on Dec 21, 2008 22:22:37 GMT -5
THOSE of you who keep trying to hack into my computer are being monitored. I also understand that there are different routers being used, in order to try hiding I P. Address.
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Post by walker on Dec 21, 2008 22:51:44 GMT -5
Walker: I find it interesting how a small comment caused such a fury? What small comment and what fury ? And no, I am not Kevin Walker, son of Jerry Walker - altho' I do know them. I stated already, my user name "walker" is NOT a family name - just a simple 'one who walks' - and I've not been involved in the situation in any way, only reading about it here and some comments I've heard. But we can keep bumping this thread to the front page here - and that way no one will ever heal from the wounds - just keep picking the scabs and all will soon be infected !
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Post by bandtroll on Dec 22, 2008 11:26:36 GMT -5
"Most likely" the court/authorities have turned the girls over to the doctors/hospital. In most cases the doctors/hospital would have ABSOLUTE control over who does/does not have contact with anyone behind their locked doors. The doctors/hospital would be watching/recording how patients act/react to every person they come in contact with. IMO, if anyone visitor was hindering progress they would be quickly banned from the visitors list. To put in perspective how much time patients have with the 'outside world' here are sample visiting hours. Weekday visiting hours: 6:30 p.m. - 7:30 p.m. Weekend and Holiday visiting hours: 11:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. - 7:30 p.m.Does anyone know if the girls are getting any visitors? (I'm sure they could use a few 'un-judging friends' about now) There is a different between a regular hospital and a forensic center, as they Intel different hours. The above hours are for a psychiatric hospital in MI, but maybe not the one the twins are at. My point was that there is VERY LIMITED contact with the outside world for those under psychiatric care. Even more limited at this location ... Visiting. Regular visiting hours at the Forensic Center are 1:00 - 3:00 p.m. Friday, Saturday Sunday and holidays, year around, in a supervised visiting area. Visitors and patients are separated by a glass barrier, and personal contact is not allowed during regular visits.
Barrier-free visits with family members may be possible after a patient has been hospitalized at the Center for at least six months if arrangements are made through the patient's chief clinician and approved by the treatment team.
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Post by White Knight on Dec 22, 2008 12:05:01 GMT -5
There is a different between a regular hospital and a forensic center, as they Intel different hours. The above hours are for a psychiatric hospital in MI, but maybe not the one the twins are at. My point was that there is VERY LIMITED contact with the outside world for those under psychiatric care. Even more limited at this location ... Visiting. Regular visiting hours at the Forensic Center are 1:00 - 3:00 p.m. Friday, Saturday Sunday and holidays, year around, in a supervised visiting area. Visitors and patients are separated by a glass barrier, and personal contact is not allowed during regular visits.
Barrier-free visits with family members may be possible after a patient has been hospitalized at the Center for at least six months if arrangements are made through the patient's chief clinician and approved by the treatment team.Thank You, for the clarification; I have noticed calls are not excluded, as I have heard several have been placed there. I don't know as to say if any one realizes all calls are also monitored.
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Post by White Knight on Dec 22, 2008 12:56:08 GMT -5
Walker: I find it interesting how a small comment caused such a fury? What small comment and what fury ? And no, I am not Kevin Walker, son of Jerry Walker - altho' I do know them. I stated already, my user name "walker" is NOT a family name - just a simple 'one who walks' - and I've not been involved in the situation in any way, only reading about it here and some comments I've heard. But we can keep bumping this thread to the front page here - and that way no one will ever heal from the wounds - just keep picking the scabs and all will soon be infected ! If you haven’t noticed they already have. The biggest part, of damage control, is to make it right, instead, of, a constant cover up. And maybe it will take an up rising from with in to put an end to it. Or, maybe, a simple, humbling, from the top, and /or an open declaration, of woeful, wrongdoings. In short bring the family back to the fold, help them with this huge debt and reinstate all positions save those who perpetrated this mess. Then and only then can true blessing begin along with true healing and not a false pretence!!!!!!!!! Remember this is not the first time something this big or bigger happened. One such instance is the George Walker and Jack Carroll feud. It took a meeting in England to help settle that dispute or at least tame it a little. In which my friend carries on to this vary day. IT is call the great east, west division.
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 22, 2008 22:35:33 GMT -5
The girls do receive visitors as their attorney made it known that they would have no one if the visitors didn't come. Of course we all know that the visitors are doing more harm than good, but you would think if you were any good at a mental hospital you would know who is coming and who is influencing the girls. Of course, maybe in the first 90 days, it is more of a lets see what is going on. It didn't take the court long to realize that the first four children had to be seperated from outside influence. Of course if we keep in the incompetent mode, it would never matter what we said and said what someone else said, as we are not stable so who would pay any attention. Sounds like quite a game plan. We are all just hoping everything works out.
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 22, 2008 22:45:40 GMT -5
To Walker----I'm surprised you would put someone else's name on the thread, when you won't post your own. So lets see, you were from Michigan, you think, I will say, think again, that you know all of what is happening. You past your judgement on the people that have been hurt badly. You seem to know who went where at convention time. So, you walk in what, where and when??? Just pony up and be brave enough to let everyone know who you are and what wonderful wisdom you have. Maybe you could say, are you an ex worker, walker, that was involved very much in this case and your new occupation isn't helping others. Bet you won't let us know whether that is true or not. But we know, you are talking to insiders and getting information from the inside. So, let's just push this page to the front and let everyone know of all the evil deeds that have been performed and don't try to just put a bandage over a wound, but correct it. Even if it scabs over and there is infection in the wound, it will not heal. So, I'm sure you will be very moved by everyones feelings and do the right thing. No excuses or alibi's.
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Post by dgaab on Dec 23, 2008 10:51:13 GMT -5
Walker; is it true you were in the Troy Mi area. Then moved to Tennessee. Went to sun meetings a number of years with Jerry and Nancy. That's eons ago.
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Post by bandtroll on Dec 23, 2008 11:38:02 GMT -5
The girls do receive visitors as their attorney made it known that they would have no one if the visitors didn't come. This would be the same for all patients in the phych ward. No, 'we all' do not know that. Which is why I'm assuming that the doc's are good at what they do and the visitors are not doing any harm. (or doing more good than harm.) That was alleged abuse, this is alleged mental illness. It's like trying to compare apples and automobiles I doubt anyone in the medical field is going to risk loosing their licence/livelihood when they have nothing to do with the original case. Agreed
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Post by bandtroll on Dec 23, 2008 22:12:27 GMT -5
Sorry, if I did the wrong thing in mentioning anyone's name Is the board having issues again or is 'walker' posting as 'worker83'?
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Post by jphillips on Dec 23, 2008 22:29:22 GMT -5
Sorry, if I did the wrong thing in mentioning anyone's name Is the board having issues again or is 'walker' posting as 'worker83'? If I remember correctly worker83 was a sister worker from OH, with MI ties, who could be contacted via Gem. And bandtroll do tell she is afraid now to even post with her Worker handle, must further conceal her identity. What a joke! P.S. @11:01 PM. Lookie, lookie walker-worker83 deleted her 10:06 post after I posted the above. There's a testimony. bandtroll it's fortunate you 'Quoted' her before she deleted it!
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Post by Scott Ross on Dec 23, 2008 23:14:59 GMT -5
Hey now you guys (and gals), Give our worker contributor a break. She got hammered on for posting as a worker, and I suggested that she register another name so she could continue to contribute without being beat up for her posts. she isn't trying to be all that sneaky, just trying to be a regular contributor to the board. If you really want to blame someone, blame me. I didn't want to lose her from the board. There are MANY who post here under various names, so no need to single her out. You would be surprised at some of those who use an extra name or two (or three and even maybe four...) I get a chuckle when they show up in the same thread trying to make a point..... Heck, I even have another registered name I made up. I even loaned it out so someone could log in and PM people and see what being registered would be like for them. This isn't the only worker who is registered and posting here on the TMB by the way. I won't give anyone away however...... Scott
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Post by PLUCKED CHICKEN on Dec 23, 2008 23:17:45 GMT -5
Hey.... Did someone say something about me on here? I haven't come out and showed myself for quite a while, but YIPPEE here I am!!!! plucky
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 24, 2008 13:51:44 GMT -5
We had figured out that it was a worker that was posting as Walker. But, how funny that you would put someone else's name on the thread, but not your own. And if you had nothing to hide, and you were to help people, wouldn't you just post who you are and try to help or understand what is happening. And how much we can pass judgement without being involved in the case in anyway except to just make it some outsiders business to just cause trouble and approve of everything that JF is doing and try to put the blame on the family. Sounds very familiar as that is all they have tried to do from the very beginning. So, now that it is known who you are, what would you like to say??
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 24, 2008 13:54:32 GMT -5
Heh Scott, trying to figure out which one is the best looking, you or plucky. Although plucky doesn't look like he would make very good soup! Not saying you would either. ha
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Post by Scott Ross on Dec 24, 2008 14:25:27 GMT -5
Heh Scott, trying to figure out which one is the best looking, you or plucky. Although plucky doesn't look like he would make very good soup! Not saying you would either. ha Luckily for everyone, I don't run around naked like he does...... I made some pretty good broccoli-cheddar soup the other night. Does that count?? ;D Scott
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Post by bandtroll on Dec 24, 2008 16:05:45 GMT -5
Is the board having issues again or is 'walker' posting as 'worker83'? If I remember correctly worker83 was a sister worker from OH, with MI ties, who could be contacted via Gem. And bandtroll do tell she is afraid now to even post with her Worker handle, must further conceal her identity. What a joke! P.S. @11:01 PM. Lookie, lookie walker-worker83 deleted her 10:06 post after I posted the above. There's a testimony. bandtroll it's fortunate you 'Quoted' her before she deleted it! I thought the board was just acting up again. One day when I was on every post showed the same poster for the whole page. If I was trying to 'catch someone' I would have copied the whole post. BTW I have mis-posted a couple of times lately so I know it's not a good feeling. I work for competing companies and use the same computer for both and twice in the last week I have sent emails from the wrong accounts when contacting clients. OUCH! There are MANY who post here under various names, so no need to single her out. You would be surprised at some of those who use an extra name or two (or three and even maybe four...) Well let's find out, (as if everyone will be honest)
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Post by degem on Dec 24, 2008 21:08:42 GMT -5
I am being honest, bandtroll, I have only this one account. Its the same account I have had since I became a member 1 year ago today.
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Post by White Knight on Dec 25, 2008 14:40:01 GMT -5
That counts me in to, although some has suggested other wise. The White Knight ready to protect the innocent and bring evil to light........I don't care who you are!!!!!!!! So who needs help next!
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Post by White Knight on Dec 25, 2008 15:32:27 GMT -5
psSST: I know of several people that have called the twins at the center and they were able to get through with no questions asked. Yep no connection to family asked, ect, ect, so much for so called restrictions. I'm wondering out loud of cores. As to what real monitoring is being done. And how much the State Attorneys are doing a follow up, this is looking more and more like a real farce........! And why the twins’ new attorneys need to remove them to another state. They started this mess in MI. It should stay in MI, and as they stated (defending attorneys) the group has hired them tells me several things. What are they so desperate to hide? As if we didn't already know. So why don't they simply end this fiasco and support the families. IN short make REAL PEACE HAPPEN!!!
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Post by jhjmr on Dec 25, 2008 19:45:46 GMT -5
It would be nice if REAL PEACE did HAPPEN, but that would end the excitement for to many ill wishing evil people. But look how things have gone. The four children are tucked in their bed at home with their parents, the court has granted them good wishes, the twins lied and look where they are at. Now, the group in hiring lawyers to try and save their butts, so maybe peace will happen. JF had better remember, what goes around comes around!!!!!
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Post by Sharon on Dec 25, 2008 20:22:29 GMT -5
It would be nice if REAL PEACE did HAPPEN, but that would end the excitement for to many ill wishing evil people. But look how things have gone. The four children are tucked in their bed at home with their parents, the court has granted them good wishes, the twins lied and look where they are at. Now, the group in hiring lawyers to try and save their butts, so maybe peace will happen. JF had better remember, what goes around comes around!!!!! This is one situation that sounds like Mt. 18 would work very well! But how to get that to work fairly is another thing! I believe the workers involved would be the brother who has done the something to the other brother that requires the process to need be done....so a gathering in of workers alone would not addresss the issue! The 2-3 witness part is already past, so now the "whole church" needs to get involved! Probably won't happen that way because the lead worker is going to have to take it on the chin, so-to-speak! I think removing the head worker from his position is the first step to healing the whole fracasse! At least in MI! And I'm afraid if he went to another state he'd find his position there quite ineffectual! And rightly the respect due him in MI is quite fractured as well! I actually feel sorry for him in his position, right now! Yes, what goes around will come around! Mt. 20 is full of woes to the scribes and Pharisees that sit in Moses' seat, isn't it? That's pitiful for Jesus to have to lay that kind of woe down, wasn't it?
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Post by White Knight on Dec 25, 2008 20:39:18 GMT -5
Is that why the group, had to hire attorneys? To take the matters out of the state appointed attorneys? Don’t look good.
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Post by Sharon on Dec 25, 2008 22:12:37 GMT -5
Seems like if the judicial courts want to prosecute even the extended arm of what the twins did or was told to do, that it most likely could be a court order that some of the workers not be able to leave the state or area? Until the matter is solved by the court system, there is strong suspcion cast onto the head worker and anyone under his watch at the time the offenses occurred...wouldn't it?
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Post by White Knight on Dec 25, 2008 22:21:46 GMT -5
Or is this what they are trying to head off?
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