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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 12, 2009 3:06:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2009 3:53:19 GMT -5
We've updated, Brad. New ministry goes something like this... Big time evangelist comes to town - owns numerous mansions. Good TV and newspaper coverage Message caters to everyone, ie theology classes for the wise; Sunday classes for the good kids; video games for the bad kids; dancing girls; wall to wall video; food galore; political support; relevant issues like Global Warming and Africa and so on, so forth. His message will be the usual - we have something different to what the world offers.
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Post by september on Jun 12, 2009 5:26:03 GMT -5
I don't know what your story is Brad, but I think your website contains more emotion than fact. If you are trying to create a website that will present facts to people seeking information about the fellowship, I suggest a more dispassionate approach. If I were one seeking information, I would try another link on Google as too much emotion can cloud the facts. Sorry if this offends, but if you draw attention to it in a public area, you invite comment.
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Post by rational on Jun 12, 2009 5:42:32 GMT -5
Does anyone care to add more sentiments and facts regarding the goings on in gospel meetings? You have mostly sentiments sprinkled with a very few questionable bits of data. Your obvious bias and lack of objectivity makes the page similar to and as valueless as those written by James von Brunn. On the practical side, a writing course or even a quick perusal of a text like Strunk and White's, The Elements of Style, would help make the page a little bit more readable. It won't make it more believable but try to solve one problem at a time.
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Jun 12, 2009 7:47:49 GMT -5
We've updated, Brad. New ministry goes something like this... Big time evangelist comes to town - owns numerous mansions. Good TV and newspaper coverage Message caters to everyone, ie theology classes for the wise; Sunday classes for the good kids; video games for the bad kids; dancing girls; wall to wall video; food galore; political support; relevant issues like Global Warming and Africa and so on, so forth. His message will be the usual - we have something different to what the world offers. ....finally!!!! .. ..brother bert..we've been waiting for years for those itinerant preachers to catch up to at least the 19th century!!
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Post by rational on Jun 12, 2009 7:53:52 GMT -5
....finally!!!! .. ..brother bert..we've been waiting for years for those itinerant preachers to catch up to at least the 19th century!! You do know that those itinerant preachers started at the very end of the 19th century.
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Post by Sylvestra on Jun 12, 2009 12:48:58 GMT -5
Dear Brad, Though your piece doesn't really have anything I don't see as "a fact", your generalizations get in the way of this being meaningful for any informative or teaching purposes. It comes across as harsh and as if you really have a chip on your shoulder. Would you like to rework it and present it again? In His love, Edy
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jun 13, 2009 1:05:45 GMT -5
We've updated, Brad. New ministry goes something like this... Big time evangelist comes to town - owns numerous mansions. Good TV and newspaper coverage Message caters to everyone, ie theology classes for the wise; Sunday classes for the good kids; video games for the bad kids; dancing girls; wall to wall video; food galore; political support; relevant issues like Global Warming and Africa and so on, so forth. His message will be the usual - we have something different to what the world offers. ....finally!!!! .. ..brother bert..we've been waiting for years for those itinerant preachers to catch up to at least the 19th century!! Yup! They'll be joined by Joel Osteen.
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Post by rjs on Jun 13, 2009 11:13:12 GMT -5
Gospel meetings in the "truth": Too much focus about US and not enough focus about HIM! If outsiders are present, the workers may really preach the gospel i.e. cross of Jesus, parables etc.. But when the friends are the only ones present, the workers will really push the group beliefs...meeting in the home, ministry without a home, God's people have something others don't, etc..I have seen workers read a whole bunch of verses and not even speak about those verses. They will try to connect everything to the workers/friends of our day whether it fits or not. They can spiritualize everythng if it justifies the group teachings. If not, they will take the verse literally!
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Post by fizzy on Jun 14, 2009 3:12:24 GMT -5
I saw no facts or sentiments. All I saw was hateful bias from a bitter man who cannot move on from his past. And no brad, I'm not professing or support the worker's ministry. I left meetings a long time ago and have no use for their beliefs. I do have one question for you brad, have you found any church or fellowship group that's acceptable in your eyes? When you first left meetings you attended a large church for a while, but soon left. Have you found any fellowship in your area that's worthy of your attendance?
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Post by rjs on Jun 15, 2009 9:05:44 GMT -5
And no brad, I'm not professing or support the worker's ministry. *** Maybe a poster has a RIGHT to sound bitter if that is his choice? Dear poster, what are your views about the "truth" group? Why not dicuss your views instead of analyzing someone elses?
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Post by emy on Jun 15, 2009 10:38:31 GMT -5
A "right" to be bitter? Hmm... interesting concept.
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Post by rjs on Jun 15, 2009 13:02:58 GMT -5
I get so sick of certain posters trying to figure out someone's MOTIVES for posting something. Agree or disagree but trying to run down the person is asinine and immature. We should be beyond the junior high level of personal attacks. Labeling names like "bitter", "racists" requires little thought and I prefer to go after people's beliefs instead of their MOTIVES AND PURPOSE IN WRITING SOMETHING!!
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Post by fizzy on Jun 15, 2009 14:51:13 GMT -5
RJS doesn't want people to question anyone motives.
Doesn't like people labeling others as bitter.
You do know RJS that this thread is about BRAD and not YOU.
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Post by freespirit on Jun 15, 2009 14:58:24 GMT -5
I get so sick of certain posters trying to figure out someone's MOTIVES for posting something. Agree or disagree but trying to run down the person is asinine and immature. We should be beyond the junior high level of personal attacks. Labeling names like "bitter", "racists" requires little thought... I agree! ;D fs tsk tsk... such bitterness. No wonder you lost out. Bitter Jason Bitter Jason: Bitter Jason: Bitter Jason: Bitter Jason: Bitter Jason: Jason is bitter
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Post by fizzy on Jun 15, 2009 15:04:09 GMT -5
Let's get back to Brad for a moment. Does anyone here deny Brad is bitter?
Go back and review his 3500+ postings and find out for yourself.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 16, 2009 0:11:13 GMT -5
That's a great point. I'ld forgotten about that. Workers do change their monologues according to their audience. I also remember Randy Russell telling me to talk normally because outsiders couldn't understand what I was saying since it was so much "professing speak". You'll probably find that people like to make accusations about people being bitter because they're still part of the group or the group hasn't left them. Bitterness comes when people hold their feelings of hatred inside and don't tell their neighbors their offense/fault. If they'ld read their Bible, perhaps they could tell if someone really was bitter or was simply warning and telling other people about predatory people in sheeps clothing. Brad Gospel meetings in the "truth": Too much focus about US and not enough focus about HIM! If outsiders are present, the workers may really preach the gospel i.e. cross of Jesus, parables etc.. But when the friends are the only ones present, the workers will really push the group beliefs...meeting in the home, ministry without a home, God's people have something others don't, etc..I have seen workers read a whole bunch of verses and not even speak about those verses. They will try to connect everything to the workers/friends of our day whether it fits or not. They can spiritualize everythng if it justifies the group teachings. If not, they will take the verse literally!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2009 0:14:45 GMT -5
Brad, that great monologuer Jesus changed his speech according to his audience. Recall him explaining things in details to his disciples, and his reason why? Read up on it.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 16, 2009 0:17:53 GMT -5
These comments about me being bitter are useless. What am I bitter about? Also, no facts? hello? So what in it is not factual? That's like Obama when he basicly says "Yeah, all these other people say I'm full of it. But actually, they are lying." Yeah, uh huh. That's really helpful. I'm sold, sign me up. Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 16, 2009 0:19:41 GMT -5
Bert, What a totally useless comparison. Jesus is God. Are the workers? Jesus knew the thoughts of the hearts of people. Do the workers? Jesus asked questions in his preaching. Do the workers? The workers are a cult with occult practices. Was Jesus wanting to start a cult that despised his own doctrine? Helllo? ?? Brad Brad, that great monologuer Jesus changed his speech according to his audience. Recall him explaining things in details to his disciples, and his reason why? Read up on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2009 0:23:41 GMT -5
No Brad, its this statement, "Workers do change their monologues according to their audience." You made it sound like it was wrong to do so, and I pointed out that Jesus did this too.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 16, 2009 0:24:36 GMT -5
Fizzy, I went to listen to some preachers who preached at a big building for a while. I left because they don't believe what they teach and also they were lying to people. I talked to their head honcho and he didn't want to sit down and talk about it. So I figured that I didn't want to go there. Would you listen to people preach something they didn't believe in and listen to their lies? If so, I still won't. So do you judge people by whether they belong to a church? If not, then why do you care? Brad I saw no facts or sentiments. All I saw was hateful bias from a bitter man who cannot move on from his past. And no brad, I'm not professing or support the worker's ministry. I left meetings a long time ago and have no use for their beliefs. I do have one question for you brad, have you found any church or fellowship group that's acceptable in your eyes? When you first left meetings you attended a large church for a while, but soon left. Have you found any fellowship in your area that's worthy of your attendance?
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 16, 2009 0:26:57 GMT -5
September, Is it a sin to have emotion? I have facts and emotion. I'm sure some people have trouble handling this and they can look elsewhere. Other than that, I communicate with people who thank me for the site and these people in many different countries. Of course, many of them are nice people. Brad I don't know what your story is Brad, but I think your website contains more emotion than fact. If you are trying to create a website that will present facts to people seeking information about the fellowship, I suggest a more dispassionate approach. If I were one seeking information, I would try another link on Google as too much emotion can cloud the facts. Sorry if this offends, but if you draw attention to it in a public area, you invite comment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2009 0:28:16 GMT -5
Brad, why is that? Were these preachers doing it for the money?
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 16, 2009 0:28:39 GMT -5
I am reworking it. I don't have a chip on my shoulder. But I do like to tell the truth about what I see. If people don't like what I've seen, then they can go whine in a corner. Why don't you rework it and present your ideas here? Brad Dear Brad, Though your piece doesn't really have anything I don't see as "a fact", your generalizations get in the way of this being meaningful for any informative or teaching purposes. It comes across as harsh and as if you really have a chip on your shoulder. Would you like to rework it and present it again? In His love, Edy
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 16, 2009 0:35:19 GMT -5
I'm sure you didn't see facts or sentiment. Blind people don't see much. Hating things is not a sin. God hates lias. I'm biased againt 2x2 lies. Is that a sin? Or do you just don't like that? Please describe what you think is "bitterness" Do you think people who put thieves in jail are bitter? Do you think peopel who condemnt molesting kids to be bitter and hateful? I don't care if you go to cult meetings or not regarding your answer. I haven't found a cult that I've wanted to attend. I've talked to many preachers are several churches and wasn't interested in their "interpretations" of key doctrinal issues. Does that mean I'm bitter, hateful and evil? What about you? Tell us about what church you attend. What "church" do you consider "worthy" of your attendance? Plus the writings about the meeting are the past. If you don't know me, then how would you know if I've "moved on"? You aren't making any sense and I don't buy your arguments. Too many holes in your generalizations and it seems bitter and hateful and biased against me and without knowledge of me. Brad I saw no facts or sentiments. All I saw was hateful bias from a bitter man who cannot move on from his past. And no brad, I'm not professing or support the worker's ministry. I left meetings a long time ago and have no use for their beliefs. I do have one question for you brad, have you found any church or fellowship group that's acceptable in your eyes? When you first left meetings you attended a large church for a while, but soon left. Have you found any fellowship in your area that's worthy of your attendance?
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 16, 2009 0:37:17 GMT -5
It is wrong for the workers. Their motivations are to promote the cult. Jesus motivation was/is to glorify God. Jesus wore clothes. Just cause workers wear clothes doesn't make them Jesus or make them right. It's OK to change your preaching to glorify God, but not to deceive people Brad No Brad, its this statement, "Workers do change their monologues according to their audience." You made it sound like it was wrong to do so, and I pointed out that Jesus did this too.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 16, 2009 0:40:16 GMT -5
Bert! You got that right! Good job. You must know the verses 1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1Ti 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. They were preaching to people in classes to get out of debt. And they wanted people to give the church money to get out of debt. But they wanted to get out of debt so they could borrow more money to build onto the church property so they could (of all things) do God's work in the community! Hmmmm. They didn't want to talk about it over a Bible. Wonder why? Brad Brad, why is that? Were these preachers doing it for the money?
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