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Post by ilylo on May 24, 2009 18:38:39 GMT -5
Do not stand at my grave and weep I am not there, I do not sleep I am a thousand winds that blow I am the diamond glints on snow I am the sunlight on ripened grain I am the gentle autumn's rain. When you awaken in the morning's hush I am the swift uplifting rush of soaring birds in circled flight. I am the star that shines at night. Do not stand at my grave and cry. I am not there, I did not die. We Will Never Forget oldbluejacket.com/9_11_2001.htm
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Post by lin on May 24, 2009 19:40:37 GMT -5
very touching post Ilylo. I have a brother that was in Vietnam. He is still living, but in many ways he died there.
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Post by degem on May 24, 2009 19:47:13 GMT -5
thank you ilylo for posting this-
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Post by ilylo on May 25, 2009 14:52:48 GMT -5
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Post by deirdre on May 27, 2009 12:32:58 GMT -5
Thanks, Ilylo. We always have our remembrance at May 4th...
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Post by WALL-E on May 27, 2009 15:32:10 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this, Ilylo.
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Post by ann on May 31, 2009 16:28:12 GMT -5
ilylo, thanks
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Post by deirdre on Jun 6, 2009 13:14:40 GMT -5
Today it is D-day
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Post by ilylo on Jun 12, 2009 8:03:53 GMT -5
Now there's an irony... Obama saluting a servicemember.
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Post by rational on Jun 30, 2009 13:48:17 GMT -5
Now there's an irony... Obama saluting a servicemember. It is more likely he is acknowledging a salute rather than saluting I don't know about it being ironic but it is unexpected. Generally civilians do not return the salutes of the military. Even Eisenhower, as president, did not return salutes. But the return is a nice show of respect.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 30, 2009 14:47:49 GMT -5
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Post by sharon on Jun 30, 2009 15:59:11 GMT -5
Now there's an irony... Obama saluting a servicemember. It is more likely he is acknowledging a salute rather than saluting I don't know about it being ironic but it is unexpected. Generally civilians do not return the salutes of the military. Even Eisenhower, as president, did not return salutes. But the return is a nice show of respect. I saw Pres. Bush exchange salutes several times when he disembarked Air Force I....Seems I remember seeing Kennedy do the same.......perhaps more of a show of equality not upmanship?
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Post by rational on Jun 30, 2009 16:37:42 GMT -5
I wasn't referring to presidents in general. I was talking about the Obamanation himself. Wow, Ilylo. Did you make that insult up all by yourself? I was also referring to Obama. And added some historical facts.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 30, 2009 16:48:20 GMT -5
I wasn't referring to presidents in general. I was talking about the Obamanation himself. Wow, Ilylo. Did you make that insult up all by yourself? I was also referring to Obama. And added some historical facts. Insult?
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Post by rational on Jun 30, 2009 16:53:58 GMT -5
I saw Pres. Bush exchange salutes several times when he disembarked Air Force I....Seems I remember seeing Kennedy do the same.......perhaps more of a show of equality not upmanship? Reagan was the first I remember returning salutes. I was surprised there were not complaints on this message board when Obama saluted the flag during the inauguration.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 30, 2009 16:59:06 GMT -5
I was surprised there were not complaints on this message board when Obama saluted the flag during the inauguration. Why would anyone complain about that? A president is expected to show respect to the flag, or is that a foreign concept to you?
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Post by rational on Jun 30, 2009 17:08:02 GMT -5
I was surprised there were not complaints on this message board when Obama saluted the flag during the inauguration. Why would anyone complain about that? A president is expected to show respect to the flag, or is that a foreign concept to you? No, but what seems to be a foreign concept to you is that there is a protocol for saluting the colors and, for civilians, the protocol is to stand facing the colors with your right hand over your heart, after removing cover.
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Post by rational on Jun 30, 2009 17:12:52 GMT -5
Sorry, I thought it was a common enough word. a. To treat with gross insensitivity, insolence, or contemptuous rudeness. b. To affront or demean.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 30, 2009 17:39:36 GMT -5
Why would anyone complain about that? A president is expected to show respect to the flag, or is that a foreign concept to you? No, but what seems to be a foreign concept to you is that there is a protocol for saluting the colors and, for civilians, the protocol is to stand facing the colors with your right hand over your heart, after removing cover. Oh. You mean like this: He can't pay simple respect to his flag, but by all means, he sure knows how to suck up to a foreign king. Now, what were you saying about insults?
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Post by ilylo on Jun 30, 2009 17:41:31 GMT -5
Sorry, I thought it was a common enough word. a. To treat with gross insensitivity, insolence, or contemptuous rudeness. b. To affront or demean. ...which describes perfectly Obama's idiotic suggestion to charge veterans' private health care for service-related injuries.... ie, insult.
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Post by Gene on Jun 30, 2009 18:12:49 GMT -5
Why would anyone complain about that? A president is expected to show respect to the flag, or is that a foreign concept to you? No, but what seems to be a foreign concept to you is that there is a protocol for saluting the colors and, for civilians, the protocol is to stand facing the colors with your right hand over your heart, after removing cover. For such rules of protocol, is the US President, as commander in chief of the US armed forces, considered a civilian or military personnel?
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Post by rational on Jun 30, 2009 20:18:26 GMT -5
No, but what seems to be a foreign concept to you is that there is a protocol for saluting the colors and, for civilians, the protocol is to stand facing the colors with your right hand over your heart, after removing cover. Oh. You mean like this: <snipped image> Exactly. He, the rest of the people on the stage, and you, as you have demonstrated, are not aware of the protocol for various people saluting the flag. At last, after 8 years, someone who has a clue about dealing with foreign leaders. Just a guess here, but you were not in the military, were you. you have managed even more.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 30, 2009 20:22:32 GMT -5
LOL.... Sorry, I'm laughing too hard right now. I'll respond later when I catch my breath.
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Post by rational on Jun 30, 2009 20:23:21 GMT -5
No, but what seems to be a foreign concept to you is that there is a protocol for saluting the colors and, for civilians, the protocol is to stand facing the colors with your right hand over your heart, after removing cover. For such rules of protocol, is the US President, as commander in chief of the US armed forces, considered a civilian or military personnel? Civilian. And, of course, he is not in uniform.
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Post by rational on Jul 1, 2009 14:10:44 GMT -5
Civilian. And, of course, he is not in uniform. I was reading an article on US flag stuff --- (I think it was noted on the Yahoo news some months back) It stated that veterans and military member may now salute the flag in civilian clothes. So I guess that would include the President would it not. The current president was not in the military. If you go to a sporting event and look around you will quickly see a variety of ways that people react to the flag. Buying hot dogs, juggling glasses of beer, etc! I wonder how members of the military feel about saluting when not in uniform. Relearning behavior is not always easy!
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Post by sharon on Jul 1, 2009 15:59:37 GMT -5
No, but what seems to be a foreign concept to you is that there is a protocol for saluting the colors and, for civilians, the protocol is to stand facing the colors with your right hand over your heart, after removing cover. For such rules of protocol, is the US President, as commander in chief of the US armed forces, considered a civilian or military personnel? He wears both shoes! Depends on the occasion, doesn't it? Actually a Commander in Chief, he is military and as President he is civilian....he supposedly is voted into office by both military and civilian means!
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Post by rational on Jul 2, 2009 9:16:01 GMT -5
He wears both shoes! Depends on the occasion, doesn't it? Actually a Commander in Chief, he is military and as President he is civilian....he supposedly is voted into office by both military and civilian means! While most presidents do wear two shoes they have civilian authority over the military. There has been discussion for centuries over this. After the Lincoln assassination there was some debate whether Dr. Mudd should be tried for conspiracy in the killing a civilian or a member of the military. The military won out in that case.
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Post by Annan on Jul 12, 2009 12:11:16 GMT -5
I don't know if I've told anyone here this (some of you I talk to on email), but I am in the process of obtaining a license to perform marriages in my state. I have spoken at the gravesite at a few funerals of relatives. This is one of tributes to those who have died in service to others.
You who have made your life an offering, who have laid down your sweet flesh that others may taste life (freedom), you have become like the sun whose radience sustains us. You have become like the grain cut down to feed us. May you rise as the bured seed rises. May the Mother of All gather you in. May He who falls and rises guide your way. May you return to us when we are afraid and teach us to be fearless, generous, and kind. May we love our lives the more for your sacrifice and may we learn to love as you have loved so that the boundaries of self and life dissolve and the night sky ifs filled with stars. ~ Starhawk
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