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Post by ilylo on Dec 6, 2008 22:56:53 GMT -5
Your response was vulgar. Let us therefore not suck from the sump pump of spiritual toxin; let us not wallow dung pile of the pigsty; let us not clothe our shopworn bellyaching with plausible excuses. Yep. Very vulgar. Very you.
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Post by Happy Feet on Dec 6, 2008 23:26:16 GMT -5
Cherie is the same Cherie that I have always known and I have been around a lot longer than you Git. Where are some of these bitter posts you talk about from her?I do however, see many bitter posts from you.
Who cares what surname Cherie uses. Is that the best you can come up with. I am sure you can try and find more mud on me after all I use my maiden name. Where does it say that we are to use our husband's surname or that it is not respecting her husband?
It is normal for a woman to keep her maiden name in the middle east and that is a male dominant place. Using the man's surname is a western thing. Apparently in asian countries it is also common for women to use their maiden names.
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Post by pablo on Dec 7, 2008 5:39:08 GMT -5
I could ask you if it's that time of month, but I won't.Very personal, very crude, uncalled for, not nice. typical 2x2=look at the response not the cause I have looked at the response and I have looked at your concluding statement and I still conclude that it was very personal, very crude ( bordering on vulgarity meant to insult and belittle), uncalled for, and not nice. IMO it spoilt your response somewhat. It has nothing at all to do with "typical 2x2." A decent person would apologise for such a remark which is quite out of place.
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Post by CherieKropp on Dec 7, 2008 8:46:48 GMT -5
So it appears that some of you critics of Peridot hold Peridot to a higher standard than you do one of your very own...GIC??? And what about Bert's vulgar thread: "Where is modesty with men's hard-ons?" On which pablo has posted? Hmmm--some DOUBLE STANDARDS are showing up on this thread...by siwells and others...where are your post condemning them for "crude and uncalled for remarks"
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Post by CherieKropp on Dec 7, 2008 8:54:11 GMT -5
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Post by freespirit on Dec 7, 2008 9:54:08 GMT -5
I don't find anywhere in the Bible where a woman's hair is to be worn long so it is flattering... Are you saying that Christian women should look dowdy? I think these Christian women look great! www.victoriaosteen.com/www.michellehammond.com/www.tamaralowe.com/pictures.htmPaul was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO right about long hair being glorious. JMO. But, all the same, I've read these women's work and (as fantastic as they look) true beauty is inside, not outside. I recommend each of their books. I recently heard Ms.Lowe speak and her story is quite amazing. freespirit DC, I'll wear a mini-skirt if you will. ;D
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Post by Gene on Dec 7, 2008 12:19:45 GMT -5
I think these Christian women look great! www.victoriaosteen.com/www.michellehammond.com/www.tamaralowe.com/pictures.htmPaul was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO right about long hair being glorious. JMO. But, all the same, I've read these women's work and (as fantastic as they look) true beauty is inside, not outside. I recommend each of their books. I recently heard Ms.Lowe speak and her story is quite amazing. freespirit fs, it's great to know that you consider these three women to be your sisters in Christ! Would be really great if you could report to us that the workers in your field in MN share your sentiment about these women. Is exclusivity breaking down? cheers, g
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Post by pablo on Dec 7, 2008 14:08:59 GMT -5
So it appears that some of you critics of Peridot hold Peridot to a higher standard than you do one of your very own...GIC??? And what about Bert's vulgar thread: "Where is modesty with men's hard-ons?" On which pablo has posted?
Cherie, you are clutching at straws. Where did I post or condoned anything vulgar on Bert's thread as you seems to have implied?
I was commenting on RJS, not on Bert or the thread.
As a female Peridot should have exercised a little more respect for her own kind; her comment was way out of order and it is very sad if you are unable to recognise it.
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Post by gloryintruth on Dec 7, 2008 17:30:57 GMT -5
Freespirit wrote: FS - Congratulations! You're RIGHT! But only because you cant even quote scripture correctly. I don't really know what Cherie is getting to here - one could never say she is the clearest of communicators when she gets agitated, and under the microscope. However, I need to interject. Uh, Cherie.... I don't think Freespirit was quoting Scripture; I think she made it pretty clear she was quoting... what was said at convention. I know it's kinda hard to see that. Freespirit didn't give many clues as to the source of the statement. She only said, "This is what I heard at convention" and so I can see how easily one might assume she was citing the Bible. It's kinda hard to sorta make sense of it all, eh old girl?
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Post by lin on Dec 7, 2008 17:41:59 GMT -5
A quiet amen
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2008 17:52:22 GMT -5
This one's for "a man" who isn't so quiet. Jason - Kropp it !
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Post by freespirit on Dec 7, 2008 18:40:44 GMT -5
Cherie, I wasn't quoting scripture. But thank you for giving out a bible verse. fs
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Post by peridot on Dec 7, 2008 18:44:16 GMT -5
As a female Peridot should have exercised a little more respect for her own kind; her comment was way out of order and it is very sad if you are unable to recognise it. LOL Just some 'girl talk' ;D
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Post by freespirit on Dec 7, 2008 19:13:13 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is as "pure as God's breath." Pure: "free from contamination, pollution or dirt, clear, spotless." Not even Gene? fs
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Post by freespirit on Dec 7, 2008 19:42:34 GMT -5
Cherie is the same Cherie that I have always known and I have been around a lot longer than you Git. Where are some of these bitter posts you talk about from her?I do however, see many bitter posts from you. Who cares what surname Cherie uses. Is that the best you can come up with. I am sure you can try and find more mud on me after all I use my maiden name. Where does it say that we are to use our husband's surname or that it is not respecting her husband? It is normal for a woman to keep her maiden name in the middle east and that is a male dominant place. Using the man's surname is a western thing. Apparently in asian countries it is also common for women to use their maiden names. Using one's MAIDEN name is common. Using the last name of a guy you are no longer married to when you have remarried is... uuuuuuh... not so common. I find it a little puzzling. Yes, divorce is a rather sticky subject, unless you have been through one, you have no advice to offer. I don't know how to give divorce advice. But after 21 happy years, I have tons of ideas on how to stay married. Treating your man with respect and love and care and always like he's a hero and a champion and #1 in your life (I mean, aside from God of course) are a few things. fs
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Post by Sharon on Dec 7, 2008 19:57:46 GMT -5
fs, good marital advice, but it does come hard for some who can't let anyone but self be number 1!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2008 20:00:53 GMT -5
Freespirit, you give good marriage advice. With an outlook like that you deserve the best !
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Post by ilylo on Dec 7, 2008 20:16:56 GMT -5
To hear your shrill, nagging voice - the TMB fishwife - accusing others of double-standards when you have a history of lying, and decieving people is just amazing. Captain Clueless has spoken again. The only shrill nagging voice here is yours, Jason. The people who have a history of lying and deceiving people is those who perpetuate the lies of the 2x2 church. And Jason Landless is there at the lead, barking like a lost puppy... begging to be loved.
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Post by degem on Dec 7, 2008 20:55:14 GMT -5
freespirit - you "lost me" on your post #100
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Post by freespirit on Dec 7, 2008 21:15:10 GMT -5
I was being silly, Gem. ;D Gene--leading not exactly the, uh, standard-fare Christian life--seems like a really nice person so I picked him out just to be funny. My jokes do not always come across on line I have found. If I would have said it in person I think (hope!) Gene would have laughed. It wasn't intended to be offensive anyway. fs
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Post by freespirit on Dec 7, 2008 21:21:58 GMT -5
Freespirit, you give good marriage advice. With an outlook like that you deserve the best ! I am very, very spoiled! freespirit
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Post by freespirit on Dec 7, 2008 22:09:40 GMT -5
You're expectation that Cherie keep track of what other people do is ridiculous. Gen 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? IMO when we are counseling people we need to make sure we are counseling them toward God, toward a deeper relationship with God, and not merely away from something. I don't think it is out of line to ask about the people whom Cherie has counseled. fs
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Post by Gene on Dec 8, 2008 1:01:44 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is as "pure as God's breath." Pure: "free from contamination, pollution or dirt, clear, spotless." Not even Gene? fs Yes, well, there are a few exceptions....
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Post by CherieKropp on Dec 8, 2008 9:15:29 GMT -5
No - its not out of line. A person can always ask--And I have the right to say no, or to explain. I choose to explain some.
After twenty years of doing the work I do and talking to over 1,000 people who contacted me--I just tended to lose track of many of them--after they moved on with their lives. As you know a FEW stay in touch through TMB and other means--some of the rest of them move on and mix and mingle into other churches. They get on with their lives after they work out this rough spot in the road of their lives and disappear from my radar screen. Some pope up later--sometimes I contact them if I have a special reason to do so.
I went back to work 10 years ago & I work 40 hours a week where I am a licensed professional researcher. Due to lack of time, I stopped adding my contacts to my list.
Contrary to popular thought--and to a thought FS expressed in her post: I have never counseled ANYONE to leave meetings.
You can try all you want but you wont find anyone that I ever did this. I am quite satisfied and happy to trust the Holy Spirit to direct people to what the HS wants them to do. I've never directed people to a particular church either. I encourage them to question, to study the Bible in depth, to know what they believe and why, and go to interdenominational bible studies.
They usually ask me for information...and I tell them where they can find it if I know it. Most use me for a sounding board--and I'm a good listener. I direct them to people of similar experiences if they request it.
And most of all, I do what you were hoping I did: "counsel them toward God, toward a deeper relationship with God."
That's my goal--and I dont care if they stay in or get out of the F&W church to do it. I believe there are many F&W who will be in Heaven, and many Christians outside the F&W church who will be there also. I do not believe only the F&W will be in Heaven.
So you can rest easy. Our goals are the same on this matter.
Cherie
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 8, 2008 10:14:15 GMT -5
~~~ n9: Hi, Cherie.... You might NOT have counseled ANY 2x2s to leave the meeting with your own mouth but your own website TTT have caused some to leave the fellowship. Many people can see this from this TMB.
You might have not shoot them with a gun.... but a few drops of poison in their drinking water glasses have the same results as killing them.
Hi there, Nathan, It is likely true that some people have left "the fellowship" of the f&w church group, with the help of facts from Cherie's website. It is also true that some people have left the f&w fellowship from reading the Bible. There are a few "drops of poison" in the Bible that simply do not line up with the teaching of the f&w church. If people leave their relationship with Jesus because of something we are promoting, we should be very concerned , but if they merely go to another "club" for fellowship- fine, ESPECIALLY if the previous "club" , did not really tell the truth about themselves.
All the best to y'all, Alvin
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Post by bandtroll on Dec 8, 2008 11:37:46 GMT -5
~~~ n9: Hi, Cherie.... You might NOT have counseled ANY 2x2s to leave the meeting with your own mouth but your own website TTT have caused some to leave the fellowship. Many people can see this from this TMB.
You might have not shoot them with a gun.... but a few drops of poison in their drinking water glasses have the same results as killing them. IMO we are all responsible for our own actions. PERIOD. (Seeing we all LOVE polls, I'm going to start one for you on this subject.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2008 12:12:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure why it would be such a big evil if Cherie did counsel people to leave the meetings. After all, workers and friends have been counseling people for 100 years to leave their churches. People have to learn to man up and make informed decisions for themselves no matter what others counsel them.
I rarely counsel either way, although I have done so both ways on rare occasions. Sometime there are people who haven't been able to come to the conclusion that the F&Ws are through with them and they have been discarded, and they need to be told. There have been two instances where I have felt compelled to tell certain people just that.
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Post by Sharon on Dec 8, 2008 12:56:03 GMT -5
It seems to me an awful responsibility to counsel anyone to whether they should do this or that in a spiritual way! I would fear their souls welfare would rest on mine! I think the wisest thing to say when someone perhaps seems shakey about what to do in regards to their faith or church choice would be to tell them to keep praying to God and have faith that He will lead them in the way they should go! I am not one to try and get someone to go to mtgs. or convs. with me or alone even...I simply answer their questions in regards to my faith and leave it there. Should there be something within my life that they want to know more about, I try simply to tell them it's my faith in my Living God! Peer pressure is the worst "effecting" thing in the world for it pushes people in the wrong direction most of the time and I mean "wrong for that individual" not particularly wrong in general. We can not begin to understand or know what any one individual needs especially in regards to their spiritual welfare, I feel it best to leave all that in God's hands, not mine!
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