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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 14, 2008 11:51:28 GMT -5
On You Tube video,
Titled: "Obama breaks down why we need separation of church and state"
Posted by yoism.org
you can see the 'sermon' our great leader Obama gave , telling the US that "we are no longer a Christian Nation."
Does that mean that all the Arab Nations are 'no longer Muslim'? He didn't say that, but I'm just wondering?
some quotes include:
... we are a Nation of unbelievers, ..
... "the sermon on the mount is so radical that our defense department would never survive it's application"
Plus he mentions many more passages from the Bible that makes Abraham who was 'the Father of our Faith' a 'child abuser and would be locked up today, with Isaak taken in custody by Child Protection Services.'
THIS IS YOUR NEW PRESIDENT CHRISTIANS
so continue to be polite and not offend anyone, but I for one found his sermon very offensive.
We Christians must say our 'prayers in silent' more loudly, I don't think God hears us anymore. Oh, yes,.. that's the idea, you guys keep telling me this, but I just keep blabbing Bible verses out at you, ... well, .. here is your NEW PROPHET.
What do you think? (Your happy day has arived, ey Dietcoke? Neve though you see this day arrive, maybe you'll get to see my esecution also, that is IF my Lord and my God, the God of Abraham, Isaak and Jacob finds me worthy enough.)
WAKE UP!!!!!, ... OOPS,.. I mean; wake .. up.. psssst... quietly now.. Matt 13:40-43 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! NKJV
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Post by MsMarie on Nov 15, 2008 2:42:37 GMT -5
Does anyone else also see the time when the Bible will be outlawed as hate literature? Also it could be an offence against Mental Health to point out that people are sinners...... Have to say I agree with the above, this is not a happy time for Christians.
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Post by peridot on Nov 15, 2008 10:33:33 GMT -5
I agree with the above; we can easily live in fear but God wants us to trust in Him.
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Post by rational on Nov 15, 2008 13:42:23 GMT -5
Does anyone else also see the time when the Bible will be outlawed as hate literature? Also it could be an offence against Mental Health to point out that people are sinners...... Have to say I agree with the above, this is not a happy time for Christians. This becomes a problem only when the bible becomes required reading and the code by which people are forced to live. In the past people were killed because they spoke out against the bible or they were judged to have committed sins because they went against the bible. The separation of state and church is indeed a good thing. People are free to practice any religion they wish in the privacy of their home/church but no group should have the right to enforce their beliefs on the general population. It never turns out well.
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Post by shushy on Nov 15, 2008 14:46:49 GMT -5
We have been warned the day will come when we will no longer have bibles. That is why it is important for christians to know what it says. The Holy Spirit can quicken scriptures when they are already in your spirit. I agree with you rational that we do not have the right to force our beliefs on any person. We are supposed to be christlike. Not ram religion down peoples throats. That creates enemies and puts up walls.
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Post by outsidein on Nov 17, 2008 9:44:45 GMT -5
It is interesting that in letters to the Roman church(es), the apostles Paul and Peter both forgot to mention standing up against the government to those believers who were enduring real persecution.
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Post by MsMarie on Nov 17, 2008 10:05:27 GMT -5
Another thought I heard expressed is that the mark of the beast will be a microchip which has already been fully developed and is being implanted in the forehead or on the hand in various corporations. It is said this will eventually replace plastic credit and debit cards. Without this, it is forecast that no buying or selling will be possible (quite a number of internet threads on this). Interesting?
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 17, 2008 11:10:12 GMT -5
Rational: In the past people were killed because they spoke out against the bible or they were judged to have committed sins because they went against the bible.
Thank you Rational, if you meant the Inquisition, then I say once again, "They were NOT Christians". Just because someone calls himself Christian, does not mean they are. (You shall know them by their fruits)
Matt 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to Me,'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'NKJV
Christians would have NEVER send out armies against their enemies to convert them to Christianity, because the only ARMY a group of Christians can have is a 'prayer' one.
Paul would NEVER write to the Romans to 'rise up' against their rulers, and he didn't.
Rom 13:1-3 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evilNKJV
Rom 13:5-7 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honorNKJV
But HE DID get us ready and train us to fight an unseen enemy, the one that comes to destroy even Gods Word, if he was allowed to. Now we ARE to fight against him and his army, but NOT with physical weapons:
Eph 6:11-12 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. NKJV
A good Christian obeys all the laws of the land that do not contradict the Bible. They, as I, honor our President, pray for him and do everything possible up to the point of denying Christ to serve them.
They do not join in the Governments policies, for that is for the WORLD, and neither do Christians go with the Roman soldiers to execute their Christian brothers. God left the 10 Commandments for the Worldly rulers to execute judgment by. We Christians do not break the law, so we don't partake anything of the Worlds Laws, our life is a reflection of Christ, not go and force the Word Of God down peoples throat as the old Conquistadors did during the 'crusades'. That was from the evil church that Jesus will say to on the last days; "away from me, you workers of iniquity, ..."
But when a President calls for Christians to look at the Bible by HIS worldly view, and then point out passages that supposed to show us just how much FAITH Abraham had in his God; that he would not hold back even his own son, instead make him look like a common 'child abuser' is wrong. That is NOT the message any Christian EVER got out of that story. If they did, THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.
Now 'other' religions DO make it look that way, to mock our 'God' who DID ask His Son to sacrifice himself for us. The Son did that out of LOVE, to show that neither He OR GOD would hold back anything in His loving attempt to unite us with HIM. (I too risk my life telling you this)
Does that answer your question 'Outsidein'? Christians 'Love their ENEMIES till death' and not rise up to kill them. History was written by worldly people who didn't have any idea what a real Christian is (As you can see it today, they point to the Pope as a Christian ruler. He IS NOT a Christian, if he was, he could NEVER let anyone, not alone MAKE people call him; "Holy Father".
Matt 23:9-10 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. NKJV
IT IS GODS WORD THAT DESCRIBES WHO A CHRISTIAN IS, NOT SOME HISTORY WRITERS, OR EVEN OUR ILLUSTRIOUS LEADER, MR. OBAMA, PRESIDENT.
But now with the Bible just about removed from public, there are millions who express their opinions what THEY think Christians are, almost free of opposing repercussion.
But GODS WORD will NEVER pass away, as those beloved Cristian Brothers and Sisters here know. Long after we and our president is gone, Gods Word will still remain unchanged and as strong as when He first said; "Let There Be"!!!!
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 17, 2008 11:57:53 GMT -5
MsMarie wrote: Another thought I heard expressed is that the mark of the beast will be a microchip which has already been fully developed and is being implanted in the forehead or on the hand in various corporations. It is said this will eventually replace plastic credit and debit cards. Without this, it is forecast that no buying or selling will be possible (quite a number of INTERNET threads on this). Interesting?
You got it Sister, it will be given only to those that accept ALL religions as serving the same god.
This IS HERE. (we could not have said the END was here 200 or even 25 years ago, simply because there was too many unfulfilled revelations left. But now, I see only a few left that is being fulfilled AS WE SPEAK)
Christianity has been redefined by those so Called Christian leaders to mean ALL denominations, all sects, even all other religious beliefs that oppose Christ to mean that they are SERVING the SAME god.
This is what I have been saying, if your Christian minister teaches this kind of 'tolerance', this 'LOVE' of the SIN as much as the sinner, also that Jesus was rich on this earth, that Jesus IS the Father also, making His mother the MOTHER OF GOD (trinity doctrine), that it is an 'honor' to kill another Christian who happens to be a German soldier during Hitlers rule, (Pat Robertson was talking with his son who asked his dad; "Just how many times are we to turn the other cheek?" referring to our invasion of Iraq) that it is O.K. to divorce as long as you don't do it too many times, abortion's not breaking Gods law since it is not against the law, and God is the one who gave us the law (quoting Romans out of text)
then you better get out before they set up the tables and make you form a line to receive this 'mark' to show your 'love' for your country, your president and ALL of mankind.
They will tell you as they tell me; "why do you HATE so much, why do you insist on pointing scripture that HURT?" They will tell you; 'take the chip, or 'MARK' to show your 'love' and support for your fellow man or else you will not be able to buy or sell, and do you really want to see your kids go hungry? Come on, it is for the GOOD of MANKIND. Drink the cool-aid (as my dear Brother Dowdy once told me to keep me from joining the 2X2 cult)
Keep up your faith my dear Sister and all of you here:
Rom 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. NKJV
No matter what side we choose, we DIE anyways. So won't it make more sence to die to gain everything?
Phil 1:21 21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain.NKJV
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Post by rational on Nov 17, 2008 12:38:46 GMT -5
Rational: In the past people were killed because they spoke out against the bible or they were judged to have committed sins because they went against the bible.Thank you Rational, if you meant the Inquisition, then I say once again, "They were NOT Christians". Just because someone calls himself Christian, does not mean they are. (You shall know them by their fruits) I was thinking of a number of things christians have done. The inquisition is one. The crusades. Killing the jews in Europe during the 1300s after blaming them for the plague. That is convenient. If you don't like the history, declare they were not christians. Problem solved. Face it, they considered themselves christian and the people they were fighting/killing considered them christians. They believed they were following the example set by Jesus. That is the requirement for bring a christian.
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Post by rational on Nov 17, 2008 12:41:42 GMT -5
Another thought I heard expressed is that the mark of the beast will be a microchip which has already been fully developed and is being implanted in the forehead or on the hand in various corporations. It is said this will eventually replace plastic credit and debit cards. Without this, it is forecast that no buying or selling will be possible (quite a number of internet threads on this). Interesting? Right, and in the 1950s there was the same talk about credit cards - they were the instrument of the beast and without one you would not be able to buy or sell. Name one please.
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Post by rational on Nov 17, 2008 12:44:28 GMT -5
Does anyone else also see the time when the Bible will be outlawed as hate literature? Also it could be an offence against Mental Health to point out that people are sinners...... Have to say I agree with the above, this is not a happy time for Christians. Why isn't it a happy time? Have you been denied religious freedom? Are you being forced to listen to the teachings of other religions? You claim these are the end times - christians should be dancing in the streets.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Nov 17, 2008 14:52:20 GMT -5
My point exactly, rational. All the worry and frustration of trying to guess when their world will end is senseless if they are indeed Christians. Why do they worry about the 'mark of the beast'? Why do they worry about signs? One would think they would be content.
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Post by Gene on Nov 17, 2008 15:40:05 GMT -5
Another thought I heard expressed is that the mark of the beast will be a microchip which has already been fully developed and is being implanted in the forehead or on the hand in various corporations. It is said this will eventually replace plastic credit and debit cards. Without this, it is forecast that no buying or selling will be possible (quite a number of internet threads on this). Interesting? Our two cats each have a chip implanted in them. We had it done before we moved them from the USA to die Schweiz. Does that mean they now have the mark of the beast? Maybe it's okay for an actual beast to have a chip? We do call them "the devil-cats" occasionally. For those of you who have children, why not implant them with a chip? Then if they were ever lost you could find them. It could be a geo-positioning satellite receiver chip, and then you would always know where they were! You could have it expire at age 18, I suppose, to give them their freedom at that age. Really, why not? Would that be the mark of the beast, or just common sense?
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Post by eyedeetentee on Nov 17, 2008 16:28:11 GMT -5
Then when the kids become adults, they will have stories to tell about being implanted by aliens. (I had to delete the first part of this paragraph because some people are sensitive to alien talk.)
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Post by rational on Nov 17, 2008 17:28:40 GMT -5
I think you are confusing the RFID chip with a GPS location device. The RFID chip in your cats displays an ID when probed. The range is about a meter. A GPS location device has to have the electronics to determine its location and then be able to communicate with whomever is tracking it. It is usually larger. But there are some implantable devices that have been produced so keep your eyes open!
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Post by Gene on Nov 18, 2008 1:38:34 GMT -5
I think you are confusing the RFID chip with a GPS location device. The RFID chip in your cats displays an ID when probed. The range is about a meter. A GPS location device has to have the electronics to determine its location and then be able to communicate with whomever is tracking it. It is usually larger. But there are some implantable devices that have been produced so keep your eyes open! Yes, I started off thinking of the RFID chip.... and then thought, hey, why not an implantable GPS device?
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Post by MsMarie on Nov 18, 2008 2:12:52 GMT -5
Some here are not keeping up with research. Microchips implanted in the human body have been here for some time, both for health and identification purposes. If you do a Google search on human microchip implantation, you can see the companies which are already using this technology and the forecasts for future use, some of which are for buying and selling. That this appears to be remarkably like the Revelation prophecy is at present only in the links to the forehead and hand, and to the buying and selling. Whether it is truly the emergence of the mark of the beast will only become apparent as the technology moves forward.
I do agree that dwelling on the when, where and how will not alter the outcome for this world but I did use the word 'interesting'.
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Post by ddowdy on Nov 18, 2008 4:43:54 GMT -5
Rational wrote,
"The separation of state and church is indeed a good thing. People are free to practice any religion they wish in the privacy of their home/church but no group should have the right to enforce their beliefs on the general population. It never turns out well."
In fact, the separation of any particular church and the affairs of state is indeed a good thing. That however does not negate that the U.S. was a Christian nation founded under God and as my brother Odon and others have so eloquently pointed out here that premise has been hijacked by those whose purpose is to weaken this nation through the erosion of its faith.
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Post by Gene on Nov 18, 2008 6:36:55 GMT -5
Some here are not keeping up with research. Microchips implanted in the human body have been here for some time, both for health and identification purposes. If you do a Google search on human microchip implantation, you can see the companies which are already using this technology and the forecasts for future use, some of which are for buying and selling. That this appears to be remarkably like the Revelation prophecy is at present only in the links to the forehead and hand, and to the buying and selling. Whether it is truly the emergence of the mark of the beast will only become apparent as the technology moves forward. I do agree that dwelling on the when, where and how will not alter the outcome for this world but I did use the word 'interesting'. Thanks for the technology / research update, msmarie! gn
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 18, 2008 7:02:52 GMT -5
My point exactly, rational. All the worry and frustration of trying to guess when their world will end is senseless if they are indeed Christians. Why do they worry about the 'mark of the beast'? Why do they worry about signs? One would think they would be content.
Our soul IS happy my friend, but we have many 'loved' ones perishing all around us, we have all this killing of babies all for the sake of 'choice' which because of the misinterpretation of scripture crept in on mankind. All the killing for the sake of power and greed, all the dying from aids, hunger, and it is partly because these false religions where a rat is more important then a human baby and now it has become officially the part of this country's relegion also. How could we rejoice and jump for joy about that? THIS is what is sad for a Christian. To see loved ones like you heading into danger with blindfolds on, this is what makes us sad and worry. We know where we are going, and we just want to bring all of you with us, but SADLY you refuse.
You see, our bodies are NOT happy, just as Jesus was not happy most of the time here, especially before he was crucified. He prayed with such grief that great drops of blood came out of his forehead. So NO, it is not exactly a joyfully time for our physical bodies that the 'mark of the beast' is upon us.
But watch when they take us to be killed, there will be a deep sense of peace in our faces, this is what you cannot understand unless you are a true Christian.
Luke 6:21-23 21 Blessed are you who hunger now, For you shall be filled. Blessed are you who weep now, For you shall laugh. 22 Blessed are you when men hate you, And when they exclude you, And revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of Man's sake.
(this is NOT a joyful thing, but a sad thing that make us cry for you. BUT when we think about where we are headed, THAN:
23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy! For indeed your reward is great in heaven, NKJV
Rational: I was thinking of a number of things Christians have done. The inquisition is one. The crusades. Killing the Jews in Europe during the 1300s after blaming them for the plague.
That is convenient. If you don't like the history, declare they were not christians. Problem solved.
Face it, they considered themselves christian and the people they were fighting/killing considered them christians. They believed they were following the example set by Jesus. That is the requirement for being a christian.
Nice try my friend Rational, but if the Bible, the word of God says you are not a Christian, then I don't care what you call yourself or others, THEY are NOT Christians. When Jesus says; "I do not know you" that means they are NOT Christ-like or Christians.
I'm sure you agree that if in a Muslim Country if a man would be teaching out of the New Testament, baptizing his followers with water and in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, was preaching about the Kingdom of God, telling his followers to 'turn the other cheek', but when asked, he would claim he is a MUSLIM, the people there would NOT believe him, I'm positive of that. Matter of fact, he would be flogged if not beheaded for claiming such heresy of their Muslim faith.
In the same way, men cannot go around killing their fellow man, torturing them till death, burning them at the stake, wiping out whole villages for their gold, kill Jews who are according to the Christian Bible; Gods chosen people and whom He loves very dearly, and expect to be a Christian even if he says he is. It is just NOT possible;
Matt 7:16-20 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. NKJV
(A greedy, hateful, murderous, lying, adulterous, homosexual, witchcraft practicing person just cannot be a Christian (good tree) it is just NOT possible neither NOW or in the age to come.
Matt 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to Me,'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' NKJV
Luke 13:25-28 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying,'Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you,'I do not know you, where you are from,' 26 then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' 27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.' 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. NKJV
Now I understand that YOU would like to believe they were Christians, because it would serve your purpose in belittling and demeaning Christianity. You, or the President could point all you want to other evil men who call themselves Christians in an effort to show the world just how evil Christians really are, but it will not work. I don't care what the Pope says either, he is NOT a Christian.
The BIBLE is the authority on who is or who isn't a Christian, not you or our President, or history writers, or other Muslims, or Buddhists. If Jesus says; "I do not know you", that means you are NOT a Christian. Period.
Matt 7:24-27 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
26 "But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall." NKJV
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Post by eyedeetentee on Nov 18, 2008 20:44:11 GMT -5
Since you are not taking it with you and you feel so sorrowful for me, send me five thousand bucks. You will feel better, I will feel better, and everyone wins. If you still feel that I am just not getting it, send me another five thousand. Afterall, someone said one time thousands of years ago to give to the needy. I am needy. I need your money. Send me your money and I may see your point and have a deeper sense of peace. The more money I have, the better I feel; so send me money before every meal.
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Post by rational on Nov 18, 2008 23:56:20 GMT -5
Nice try my friend Rational, but if the Bible, the word of God says you are not a Christian, then I don't care what you call yourself or others, THEY are NOT Christians. When Jesus says; "I do not know you" that means they are NOT Christ-like or Christians. Using your logic, atheists have never harmed anyone either. If you point out any case I will tell you they were not true atheists, by my definition. You can deny the facts but many people, believing they were christian and acting in a christian manner, have done the deeds I mentioned.
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Post by rational on Nov 19, 2008 0:08:04 GMT -5
Rational wrote, "The separation of state and church is indeed a good thing. People are free to practice any religion they wish in the privacy of their home/church but no group should have the right to enforce their beliefs on the general population. It never turns out well."In fact, the separation of any particular church and the affairs of state is indeed a good thing. That however does not negate that the U.S. was a Christian nation founded under God and as my brother Odon and others have so eloquently pointed out here that premise has been hijacked by those whose purpose is to weaken this nation through the erosion of its faith. First, the US was founded mostly by deists, not christians. You state that the separation of any particular church and the affairs of state is a good thing and then go on to lament the fact that christianity has been hijacked. What makes you think a nation that puts its faith in the christian god(s) is any stronger than those that do not? Historically, god has not been shown to be a good defense for any nation.
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 19, 2008 13:43:44 GMT -5
Using your logic, atheists have never harmed anyone either. If you point out any case I will tell you they were not true atheists, by my definition.
You can deny the facts but many people, believing they were christian and acting in a christian manner, have done the deeds I mentioned.
Where does it say that Atheists cannot harm their enemies?
But Jesus clearly taught that His followers are to let God be their vindicators, that it will be God who will take vengeance on all their enemies when that time comes.
Matt 5:44-46 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. NKJV
I will not let myself get into senseless arguments where I might say something that will offend the righteous, or the babes in Christ.
1 Tim 6:3-5 3 Whoever teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the true words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching of our religion 4 is swollen with pride and knows nothing. He has an unhealthy desire to argue and quarrel about words, and this brings on jealousy, disputes, insults, evil suspicions, 5 and constant arguments from people whose minds do not function and who no longer have the truth. They think that religion is a way to become rich.TEV
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Post by rational on Nov 19, 2008 14:39:16 GMT -5
Using your logic, atheists have never harmed anyone either. If you point out any case I will tell you they were not true atheists, by my definition.
You can deny the facts but many people, believing they were christian and acting in a christian manner, have done the deeds I mentioned.Where does it say that Atheists cannot harm their enemies? It is in the bible. All things flow from god and given that atheists are things it would stand to reason, from the theist's point of view, that atheists are therefore actually a part of god and as such cannot do any harm, as long as they remain true atheists. At least that is the way I read the bible. Ariandgabe, you deny the early church was christian but these are the same people that decided what would be and would not be in the bible. If they were not christian, as you claim, what makes you think they included the true christian beliefs in the bible? They probably included all the oarts you believe just to trick you into believing they were not christians. Did you ever wonder why Jesus commanded his followers o arm themselves? Do you think they needed swords so they could spear bread from the other end of the table? What is a sword used for? This echoes your thoughts. If people don't agree with me they are wrong. Or not christian. On the other hand read what you quoted: ...the true words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching of our religion 4 is swollen with pride and knows nothing.So there are more than just the words of Jesus to consider. There are the teachings of the religion. And this particular religion became the Catholic church. So, listen to Paul. you need to follow more than just the words of Jesus.
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Post by eyedeetentee on Nov 19, 2008 22:35:13 GMT -5
(chest puffed out) Yeah, what he said!
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 20, 2008 1:50:38 GMT -5
Rational: Did you ever wonder why Jesus commanded his followers o arm themselves? Do you think they needed swords so they could spear bread from the other end of the table? What is a sword used for?
When they took a few swords, He told them: 'that's enough'
That was only to fulfill another prophesy and so that He could heal the mans ear, and nothing else, so that every prophesy would be fulfilled and not one left undone;
"... How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?"
Read the rest and you might understand that the swords were taken for only that purpose.
Matt 26:52-54 52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?" NKJV
The physical part of the war will come at the end, where the Word of the Lord will wipe all the enemy from the face of the earth. Not much of a fight, maybe for the enemy, but NOT for the Lord.
If He can heal a withered arm, He can also do the opposite. And with no legs to walk on and no arms to hold their weapons with, it would not be much of a fight, wouldn't you say?
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