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Post by eyedeetentee on Sept 12, 2009 14:51:27 GMT -5
Ron, concerning your question to redwing, you should have a discussion with spiderman or zorro. Do you know me eyedeetentee or think you do? Where are you coming from and how does my post reflect your question? Reread Ron's middle paragraph. I did not suggest to Ron that spiderman and zorro are better fit to discuss this matter. For your benefit, I will restate what I said: Ron, concerning your question to redwing, you should have a discussion with spiderman or zorro. I did not say forget about asking redwing because he obviously doesn't have a brain and cannot handle this question. The main subject of my post was 'concerning your question.' Ron's question regarded elder leadership. If I address you, redwing, I will make it clear. As you might note, I was addressing Ron . . . and his question. He could have asked clearday. Doesn't matter. Here, I will reword it. Ron, spiderman and zorro have some experience with elder leadership and worker expectations. Besides redwing's experience, which is as valid as any, you might also consider asking spiderman or zorro the same question concerning their own experiences which may differ from redwing's or other's experiences. Redwing, don't wear your feelings on your shirtsleeve.
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Post by Redwing on Sept 13, 2009 14:19:57 GMT -5
I do wear my feelings on my shirtsleeve. Thats why reading rather than posting is a better avenue for me here.
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Post by ronhall on Sept 21, 2009 8:38:18 GMT -5
Oh well! Never mind.
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Post by Redwing on Sept 30, 2009 11:20:54 GMT -5
Sorry Ron I tried to answer your question.
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Post by ronhall on Oct 1, 2009 8:35:10 GMT -5
Sorry Ron I tried to answer your question. Your answer seemed explicit enough for me. You were concerned about the undefined legalism, exclusivity, history, etc. that seemed to overshadow the love for the simplicity in Jesus. You were also frustrated that your efforts to do something about it only brought reproach to yourself to the point where it seemed better to step down and step out. In my opinion, and it's just an opinion, I believe it may have been better and more effective to stick with it -- again, from history. Remember the priest who was the father of John the Baptist? Certainly he would have been aware of the money changers and all that went on in the temple courtyard, yet he was powerless to do anything about it. He may have prayed earnestly that this would be taken care of. But it never happened in his lifetime. Yet he was certainly a key player in the overall scheme of things because he stuck with it. That stated, I am certainly not blaming you or taking you to task because I don't know or fully understand the situation or pressures you faced. I am just glad you kept Jesus front and center during your tenure as elder and sincerely hope it is still that way in the fellowship meeting you were part of.
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Post by Redwing on Oct 1, 2009 16:21:46 GMT -5
Thanks Ron Appreciate your opinion and your response. I still correspond with those in the fellowship meeting and I think that is the case. I can only hope that honesty and a focus on Jesus eventually wins out.
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Post by jphillips on Oct 4, 2009 20:29:55 GMT -5
If this was meant for me. The answer aussiefriend for me is "yes". It was hard after being B&R in. I love my family- to them it was a shock as I was an elder also. They now have set down and looked at the reason why. They are one by one stating they now agree with the decision and are having to evaluate their lives also. You should not have to get past something or jump over legalism to get to Jesus. He should be front and center. Eons ago use to be friends with John & Julie (Anderson if I remember correctly) when I professed from Redwing, MN. Haven't thought of them for years.
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Post by JO on Oct 6, 2009 16:20:41 GMT -5
Thanks Ron Appreciate your opinion and your response. I still correspond with those in the fellowship meeting and I think that is the case. I can only hope that honesty and a focus on Jesus eventually wins out. I attend meetings, but not because I agree with everything that is said and done. I think both those who "see and stay" and those who "see and leave" can have a positive effect in bringing the fellowship towards greater honesty and a focus on Jesus. (Provided we keep anger and bitterness under control.) The simplicity that is in Christ has been brushed aside all too often in favor of organizational politics. Things have been done "for the kingdom's sake" which are of man and far removed from the nature of our Savior and the kingdom of Heaven. Anyone seen the movie "Kingdom of Heaven"? Evil was committed for "the kingdom of Jerusalem's sake" which actually had the opposite effect - it hastened the destruction of Jerusalem. When the city was about to be destroyed a wiser leadership emerged that recognized Jerusalem was not worth dying for - it was the inhabitants that mattered and they were led to safety. Workers have been desperately trying to "preserve the kingdom" and in doing so have only hastened its demise. A wiser leadership may yet arise that recognizes its the people that matter, not the organization. The organization at its best only exists to help the people in their journey with God. "The sabbath is for man, not man for the sabbath".
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Post by Redwing on Oct 7, 2009 20:06:41 GMT -5
Very well said jesusonly.
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Post by someguy on Oct 7, 2009 23:14:20 GMT -5
Jesusonly if I lived closer to you I think we could be fast friends. I don't know if I you ever write something that doesn't resonate with me. Impressive as always.
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Post by Redwing on Nov 6, 2009 20:49:29 GMT -5
Manfred: I'm not from Redwing , MN--- if that is what your post asked.
Thanks to you all that posted. I enjoy reading here on TBM daily and all that is expressed even if I don't always agree. I also read daily on TLC and think it is providing a valuable help to those that have left the fellowship. I think both boards can be a valuable asset to people depending on where they are at with life. I really hate to see all the bickering and one side trying to one up the other as far as boards are concerned. And it's really a shame that anyone would participate in trying to enhance that by spreading posts to stir trouble. I really appreciate the honesty and integrity of some on this board, with that said thank you for your above questions ronhall as they have made me think and appreciate the people I met with and how special they will always be to me. Guess I posted this here hoping it wouldn't need to get ripped apart as it may on the main board.
Again, Thank you all for your responses......... Redwing
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Post by moline on Dec 4, 2009 3:52:57 GMT -5
I was interested reading your posts I am australian and come from a 2x2 family dating back to 1911 . I was professing for 49 years I left for the same reaasons . covering up the truth of the beginings was a major one because I personally knew Eddie Cooney and he is buried in my home town so i knew the beginings but it was never acknowledged . Also the gradual change from the begining to a legalistic doctrine . Another thing that over time was the denial of Jesus as God [
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Post by Redwing on Dec 9, 2009 16:00:36 GMT -5
Sounds like your background is something we needed on the site. My family has a big history with George Walker and James Jardee. Sad the beginning were never acknowledged and continue to be a stain. My family also speaks of the change to a legalistic doctrine and the later denial of Christ as God. How workers have went from servants, to preaching an equalness to Christ. One remembered was a (convention)sister worker speaking about wondering how Jesus's companion felt. Really very sad that our Christ has been put in that reference.
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