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Post by IllinoisGal on Jun 23, 2006 20:38:08 GMT -5
Why does it say Jesus will sit at the right hand of God? "Sitting at the right hand of God" indicates a position of power and authority, not a physical place. He is not sitting beside himself, he now has all power and glory. Junia ...Exactly. If God is a spirit and is everywhere all the time. There cannot possibly be a right or left to him in the literal sense he fills the whole earth. Seems I have used the exact explanation a few times in different threads that you have.
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Post by Dueg on Jun 23, 2006 21:08:22 GMT -5
I find it much more difficult to imagine who God is, than to imagine who Jesus [Word] is.
I have read that Jesus was with God in the Beginning....[doesn't this obviously refer to 'creations beginning' / as this verse is in the context of the account of creation]
I find creation to be a very fascinating musing.....as it was 'plucked' out of the infinite eternal realm.....which seems to boogle my mind.
In God's existance [for which there is no beginning] // 50 trillion centuries would be less than a spec of time in terms of infinite years.
It is easier to understand that Jesus came/begotten of God in the Beginning......whenever this beginning was. My belief is still that God does NOT nor did NOT have a beginning.
BUT creation seems to have had some sort of beginning, ...as it says in Genisis...God created the heavens and earth....Creation was born. Jesus as the Word was there, but not until Mary created a physical flesh body, the Word was with God in heaven. He came to earth, as God's only begotten son in about 4 BC.
Sure we know this...but then all the pieces are available to understand this even more, but we need to have the patience to hear the order that God has given and to search for clues that help us to see this order...When you get it, it may be very difficult to explain in words, as words cannot tell the whole story, and I find that even this will most likely be misunderstood....oh well, I did try again. If Jesus had a beginning, then what do these verses mean? "I am the Alpha (1st letter of the greek alphabet) and the Omega (last letter) - the beginning and the ending." "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world wasHFA OK, I am back.. 1. alpha and omega... Must be refering to Him beginning the world with creation, and ending it with His , 'second coming', and thus the new heavens and the new earth as His prophesy says. 2. Jesus was begotten before the world was created....God must have loved Him so much, that He conceived the plan of creation, and said, 'Let us make man in our image' ------------------------------------- I suppose it is the difficulty in perceiving who gets the credit...I do not think there is any problem in speaking of their unity, and oneness, Jesus being devine, having all power given to Him by His father, [but to rationally demand others to accept the skewed doctrine of trinity, is truely missing the mark] No one has made any rational statements that lead me to accept trinity doc.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 23, 2006 22:09:35 GMT -5
So you agree that Nathan is a plagiarist. We're getting somewhere now... Did you see me saying that or agreeing to that? I did not! What I did say was, that you guys badger him/accusing of doing so! Hey, don't bust my chops. You were the one who hijacked this thread with the plagiarism bit. . .which must mean that you acknowledge nathan's tendency to copy materials from other websites (and slightly alter them) before posting them uncited on his site.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Jun 24, 2006 8:20:15 GMT -5
Nathan. Very simple. a place ofd acceptance. authority and power.
There really isnt anymore to discuss about the trinity because it doesnt exist. Not 3 totally seperate beings anyways
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Post by GuestS on Jun 24, 2006 10:51:41 GMT -5
Oh, but "illinois gal" you are just as wrong as the 2 x 2's. That is why your denomination ends up on the cult lists along with them.
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Post by Jessi on Jun 24, 2006 11:21:29 GMT -5
It looks like I'm going to have to post my JiG hermeneutics Spread sheets . . . somehow.
Christ is God, Jessi
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Post by IllinoisGal on Jun 24, 2006 13:35:38 GMT -5
Oh, but "illinois gal" you are just as wrong as the 2 x 2's. That is why your denomination ends up on the cult lists along with them. I suppose thats your opinion just as I have mine. Thats what makes this world so great, we can all have our own opinions guests. why dont you give us your knowledge on the subject then. Maybe you can persuade us if we are wrong
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Post by Dave on Jun 24, 2006 13:39:22 GMT -5
It looks like I'm going to have to post my JiG hermeneutics Spread sheets . . . somehow. Christ is God, Jessi You must be Catholic. That nonsense about trinity they say they believe is quite far out. They say 3 persons can be one person. ???What dictionary do you folks use, anyways?? Please rewrite the doctrine , as in its current form, it is self-contradictory, and redefines the words we already have acceptable definitions for.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 24, 2006 14:04:43 GMT -5
Dave, could you point out which reply # was it said that "three persons can be one person"? Thanks.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Jun 25, 2006 7:47:10 GMT -5
Nathan. Very simple. a place ofd acceptance. authority and power. There really isnt anymore to discuss about the trinity because it doesnt exist. Not 3 totally seperate beings anyways IG... what do you think of these verses in John 16:1-13 Where we read 1) Jesus talking about 2) His heavenly Father and the coming of 3) the Comforter (Holy Spirit). ~~~ Are they not three seperate Beings=Godhead according to you? How about at Jesus' baptism? in Matthew 3:13-17 We read while 1) Jesus was being baptized in the Jordan river. 2) The heavenly Father spoke from heaven saying, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well-pleased." When Jesus came up out of the water he saw 3) the Spirit of God descending on him in the form of a dove, and rest on him. ~~~ Here we read of 3 seperate Beings=Godhead. Can you share your thoughts on these two accounts, IG.... Much appreciated. What did the voice say at Jesus' baptism? "Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Mark 1:11. As the Son of God, Jesus was the one God incarnate. Can trinitarians show that three divine persons were present when Jesus was baptized by John? Nope..Not that I know of.. The one, omnipresent God used three simultaneous manifestations. Only one divine person was present--Jesus Christ the Lord. what were the other two that trinitarians talk about? One was a voice from heaven; the other was the Spirit of God in the form of a dove. Matthew 3:16-17. I think I have tried to explain my stance well enough. Thanks for the dialogue Nathan9 Now its your time to explain instead of trying to just ask questions. Why or why not do you believe the way you do?
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no more pentecostal view
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Post by no more pentecostal view on Jun 25, 2006 8:29:40 GMT -5
Let's hear another religion represented besides pentecostal now.
She didn't even answer Nathan's questions!
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Post by IllinoisGal on Jun 25, 2006 15:11:50 GMT -5
Let's hear another religion represented besides pentecostal now. She didn't even answer Nathan's questions! Ok..You be the first to start us off "no more pentecostal view"
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Post by Me on Jun 25, 2006 15:53:21 GMT -5
Here's one more....."Bible". I wish I had $10 for every time I heard about Philip coming upon the eunuch reading his Bible i would say Isaiah was his bible at that time. it contained Gods word did it not?
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