ddowdy
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Post by ddowdy on Oct 1, 2008 2:31:06 GMT -5
Otto wrote "ddowdy, It is evident from your posts that you know little of the 2x2's save for what you have read on this message board and other related websites. I would suggest you have no personal experience of 2x2's and how they conduct themselves.
To draw the conclusions you do, would be like looking at government statistics on road traffic accidents; and concluding that every driver on the road is a homicidal maniac."
You lose Sherlock! I grew up in this worthless cult. My parents, one sister are still entangled in it. Both of my grandmothers fell victim to it. Not only did I grow up in it, I have devoted much time researching it. And as an Attorney my research skills are flawless. That said I don't believe you are not a member of the cult. The specious arguments. The pulling of so called "facts" out of thin air. The bizarre scripture quoting without any real relevancy. All indicate one of "faithful". I will stop now it is probably time for your Kool Aid.
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Post by otto2 on Oct 1, 2008 15:44:58 GMT -5
ddowdy wrote, You lose Sherlock! etc etc
No problem my good man, you win! I'm big enough to stand up when I'm wrong, so you have my apologies sir! I'll be more careful in future.
But you're wrong about me too, I'm not 2x2. I was born & raised; but never professed and left meetings at an early age. I guess that's why I'm not bitter, I don't feel duped in any way.
With a few notable exceptions, I believe the 2x2's to be well meaning but somewhat misguided, and I view any comparison of myself with them to be favourable rather than otherwise.
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Post by ddowdy on Oct 2, 2008 13:36:06 GMT -5
Otto, I can't deny your experiences...in fact I have also had many positive experiences with both the 2x2 faithful and their workers. However that doesn't make up for the fact that they are a pseudo-Christian cult built on deception and based in manipulation. I am sorry to have misunderstood you...you have my apology and my respect.
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Post by otto2 on Oct 3, 2008 16:28:53 GMT -5
dd, I thank you for that. (I'll look forward to "crossing swords" elsewhere on the board ;D)
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Post by pianoman on Feb 17, 2009 15:23:33 GMT -5
Selah, and all,
This worker that was sentenced, may never leave prison, alive, even though he is in Protective Custody, or PC.
Jeffrey Dahmer was in PC also and got killed. I am not advocating this, but there does seem to be some justice in it.
I was in Federal Prison, and know that the warden and guards do NOT run the prisons. The inmates do, and if they want at somebody, believe me, they will get there.
In fact, the prison that I was in, was turned into a private place where they send sex offenders now, that have been released from prison, but are still a danger to society. This is little known, and the offenders remain there, away from society for life.
We need to forgive all, but we don't need to condone what they did. That is the problem with the 2x2 way, is that some think that forgiveness is the same as forgetting.
This is a sad subject, but a real problem that we can't ignore.
May we learn and grow......................................................Pianoman
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Post by nitro on Feb 17, 2009 19:19:43 GMT -5
Yes why were you in a Federal Prison? Now those are bad places.
nitro
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Post by juliette on Feb 17, 2009 23:18:40 GMT -5
My daughter is now 12, and when she was around 9 or 10 she spent time with TS. When we found out that he was in jail, we talked to both of our children to determine if anything untoward had happened. Luckily for us, his time with them was limited and in public place, and nothing happened.
Last week, the reality of what we were talking about 2 years ago hit my daughter and she was really freaked out. She remembered that he had helped her climb a tree, and gave her a boost. Seeing the whole thing with a 12 year old vs. 10 year old mind really put things in a different perspective for her. She now understands more about what happened with the girls TS abused. 2 years ago, it really didn't click with her.
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Post by pianoman on Feb 18, 2009 10:43:23 GMT -5
I have no problem with telling why I was in a Federal Prison.
I was a musician, and drug user, in the 60's, and just because I had long hair, I was considered a bad person. (sound familiar, judgment ?)
I was arrested for selling heroin a Felony ( also untrue), charged with a lesser crime, of a misdemeanor drug sale (also untrue), and finally charged with a ''aiding and abetting a misdemeanor drug sale, (also untrue) and was railroaded to prison. This was witnessed by the overseer of Washington State. When I was sent out on the "chain" I told the guy I was shackled to, a friend, what I was sent up for, and he said, "I committed that crime, and they dropped it". I told him that I guess I knew too many people and was in the wrong place.
The Feds have never confirmed my conviction, and deny the existence of any court records.
I may be the only person in history that was sent to the Federal Pen for a first offense misdemeanor. I had never been in trouble, and was lucky to be shackled to the offender. It made my time in prison easier, not that it was easy.
I wanted to say that sex offenders do not fare well in prison. Most inmates have family on the outside, and kill those that destroy children's innocence.
I hope this answers the burning question.......................................Pianoman
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Post by Fred Helferstine on Mar 5, 2009 8:00:05 GMT -5
McNeil Island, I could name the oversear also.
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Post by pianoman on Mar 5, 2009 12:46:33 GMT -5
Fred, the overseer of McNeil Island, or the overseer of the state it is in?
Or is the overseer in McNeil Island now?
I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same?...............Pianoman
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Post by Fred Helferstine on Mar 5, 2009 18:22:39 GMT -5
The overseer of the state. I did have a man who worked for me on the Mt. St. Helens volcano cleanup serve time at McNeil Island for counterfitting. When the Feds arrested him they said that it was the worst counterfitted money they had ever seen. LOL. While working for me he was arrested on a stolen pickup charge. Last I heard he was back in prison. That was 10 or so years ago.
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Post by pianoman on Mar 5, 2009 20:52:26 GMT -5
From what I know, McNeil Island is not a prison, and hasn't been one for nearly 28 years. I understood that the Cubans were held prisoners there in the early 80's and then they went to the program, where they keep sex offenders that have served their time, but are too dangerous to be set free. I saw a program on that, so don't know specifics. When I was there, it was just a Federal Prison, and I was released in 1969, and told by the authorities that I was never there, and had not been in trouble before, or since. As I stated before, I am not too sure what I was sent there for, but I know that the crime they said I did, was a misdemeanor, and also as I stated, the guy that committed that crime was out there with me, and stated that he had committed the crime, and they plea bargained it down and dropped that charge. How I got out there, I will never know, as the State says I was never there. One must realize, especially in this day of DNA, that many prisoners are being released, after being proved innocent of the crime they were serving time for. It is a sad state of affairs, when people are imprisoned for crimes they don't commit, or are truly innocent. I know that every prisoner is "innocent" when they first get there, but the truth comes out eventually. Fortunately, I was protected by the man that committed the crime, when he stated that I was innocent, and there were other "powers" that were in place at the time, also, that protected me, knowing of my innocence, not from me, but from the direct source. A lot of people that are in prison do things that are really stupid, and they will sometimes do really bad things in a really bad way, because they are desperate. Most prisoners are really not bad people, but I was told by a guard that I shouldn't be there, along with 2/3rds of the prisoners, and the other 1/3 needed to be executed. Now if you were there for the Mt. St. Helen's eruption, then you will know me from the exposure that we received in the papers. We were the "Unauthorized Hikers" that were on the front page for "5 Missing Hikers". I was on a film crew filming the aftermath. Of course we were bad guys on the front page for 3 days, but when they printed the retraction, it was on page 30 in a little box. This may be off topic, but it shows that there is no justice in this present world, and only with our faith in God, do we stand a chance, through his grace.........................Pianoman
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Post by rational on Mar 5, 2009 21:30:52 GMT -5
I will stop now it is probably time for your Kool Aid. Are you sure you mean Kool-Aid? To what does it refer? "And as an Attorney my research skills are flawless."Flawless?
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Post by Fred Helferstine on Mar 6, 2009 6:03:12 GMT -5
McNeil island is the place that Washington State puts sex offenders that are too dangerous to release to society. They are placed there on civil commitment. I had still considered that a prison, maybe a misnomer on my part.
DNA is a great tool. Many have been released from prison because of it, others not convicted or even charged. And the guilty convicted.
I do not remember too much about the film crew. At the time the mountain blew I was working on a dredge in Everett Washington. We had just finished dredging the Snohomish river. The mountain blew on a Sunday morning. On Thursday the Army Engineers came aboard and said they wanted all three of our dredges. From then on I was busy getting them ready. You being there with the film crew did not make you a bad guy, unless you caused the mountain to blow, and I doubt that.
I am aware that just because a person has been in prison does not make them a bad person. I had a neighbor who was an undercover drug agent. After he quit that job he told me that what they were doing innocent people were being convicted. I have counted eight people that I worked with that have been in prison. Thats just the ones that have admitted it to me. They were in for everything from a drug charge to murder. The majority of them I would be glad to work with again or even have as a neighbor.
Just the other day I heard on the news that one out of every thirty people were either in prison or on parole or probation. Assuming that those statistics are accurate, just think, one out of every thirty people you know could be in our criminal justice system. Something is wrong with this.
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Post by pianoman on Mar 6, 2009 8:28:51 GMT -5
Fred, yeah it is a shame.
I know that I did not commit the crime, that I served time for, but I wouldn't be ashamed to tell anyone anyway. that was 40 years ago that I was released, and if people want to judge something that happened that long ago, I guess that I don't need that in my life.
I know that I did plenty of things in my life that I shouldn't have, but I also know that God forgives and forgets. Too bad people can't find that quality when they find God.
I don't remember Jesus asking the publicans and sinners, what they had done, before sitting to eat with them, but maybe one of the workers can explain that away too.
We all are sinners, we all need God, and the moment we start judging one another, we have left the spirit of Christ and have chosen to follow the flesh.
I hope to forgive all, and be forgiven by my Father. I wish the same for all..........Pianoman
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Post by pianoman on Mar 6, 2009 8:31:05 GMT -5
I guess McNeil is still a prison for those that are there. The ones I saw on that program were not unhappy to be there, as they realized they were such a threat to society. I guess that is a good thing.
I am glad they found a good use for the place.
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