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Post by ought to be committed on Mar 25, 2008 18:52:29 GMT -5
To "full committed" I assume that you mean that you are the same person as "not shocked" above?? Nope. To "full committed" You have exaggerated way beyond anything I've said. You dresss it up with words like "happily", claim a screen size with absolutely no justification (you have no information about that. Nope again. I did not claim a screen size, I suggested it. As for "happily", I would guess if the alleged incidents took place, the workers supposedly present must have been happy (or even indifferent, the difference is negligible as the outcome is the same: apparent condoning of television) otherwise they would have hot-footed it out of your "open home". Throws a new perspective on "open". Open as in anything goes. And good to see you have a sense of humor about the popcorn. The reference to soccer? Whatever gets you scratchin'... You go Aileen, you're a great gal and your posts make great reading. ;D FWIW, I take a keen interest in how meetings and the spirit of the faithful are portrayed on these boards and some of your posts leave me uneasy. I trust you are not representative of the faithful generally in the UK.
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Post by aileen on Mar 26, 2008 17:05:28 GMT -5
You've assumed far too much, as I "suggested" in my previous post.
You didn't "claim" my screen size, but suggested it? Whats the difference. You said it with no info to base your guess on. Hot footed workers not happy. They are pretty happy when their team scores (as we all are).
"Open home" - not a term used much here, and when used more normally means where the meeting is held. Its not in our house normally.
"Uneasy"? I don't know why. Am I representative? I'd say not very, but then we're a country full of eccentrics.
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Post by imposter on Mar 27, 2008 6:25:46 GMT -5
Once again Aileen's posts dont match the facts for England.
Workers and friends constantly speak of the privilege of the öpen home." You hear this term all the time if you are around the friends and workers.
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Post by Portray some truth on Mar 27, 2008 6:36:01 GMT -5
To "full committed" I assume that you mean that you are the same person as "not shocked" above?? Anyway, granting your variable identifier, lest address the issue................................................................ I imagine you think that you've done part of your service in portraying untruth as truth like this. Aileen often puts in that phrase "variable identifier" because she is incapable of believing that so many people see through her pretence and fascade. She misrepresents the Truth and deliberately lies about their activities. Aileen, YOU are the ONE who needs to start pertraying a little TRUTH. It is very trivial in the general run of things but damaging overall to the people you claim to support. Haven't we tried to combat all the lies and here you are adding untruth.
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Post by aileen on Mar 27, 2008 15:10:16 GMT -5
"She misrepresents the Truth and deliberately lies about their activities. "
Where have I lied?
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Post by aileen on Mar 28, 2008 16:34:11 GMT -5
lack of examples noted.
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Post by clanging wapper on Mar 29, 2008 9:37:13 GMT -5
"She misrepresents the Truth and deliberately lies about their activities. " Where have I lied? Do you need to have it spelled out again. You started with a clanging wapper by claiming that you watch TV with the workers. We all know the workers are under orders to preach against watching the evil box and have faithfully done so. Therefore we know that what you say is not true = untrue= a lie and that was only for starters. You know yourself as do most readers on the board so you don't really need us to list all the rest of the fiction you have spun, Aileen.
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Post by aileen on Mar 29, 2008 13:28:15 GMT -5
To "Clanging wapper" (sounds like wrapping paper that makes a sound like a bell)
That wasn't a lie. Do you intend to show somehow that it was a lie? You can't as you don't know. You have not been there, or you would not make this false claim.
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Post by Own rules on Apr 18, 2008 22:16:00 GMT -5
Aileen, Do you profess to follow the workers' advice on 2x2 way of life?
It seems to many on this board and on the others by your posts that you do as you like, disregard the teachings, and at the same time claim to be a member. This causes confusion and makes your posts difficult to take seriously.
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Post by aileen on Apr 20, 2008 7:16:28 GMT -5
I've never had "advice" on how to live my life from a worker.
Do I just do what I like? To a degree I suppose I do. I have a TV, and do not hide that fact, nor hide the TV. Anyone who comes to our house can watch it, and most seem almost eager to do so. Its almost a magnet. I have no trouble to switch it off, but those that don't have one at their house, they cannot.
But if you'd asked am I a "2x2" (your term not mine)? The answer is yes. Was in meeting this morning as every Sunday (well most anyway), Wed studies when there isn't a gospel meeting etc etc.
What teachings do you think I disregard? One? (about TV), or do you imagine there are more? Because I am an independent thinker and not afraid to speak my mind you think I'm a weirdo?
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Post by calleduntoliberty on May 3, 2008 22:26:23 GMT -5
FWIW, I take a keen interest in how meetings and the spirit of the faithful are portrayed on these boards and some of your posts leave me uneasy. Be careful, you're letting a gleam of honesty show through.
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Post by alana on May 8, 2008 22:59:49 GMT -5
I am beginnig to think that Called Unto Liberty and Aileen are one and the same person.
To Aileen
Lying is not just telling untruth ie that workers view TV with you, but being untruthful in claiming to be a member ( while membership of 2x2 as we all know requires fidelity to its rules, written or unwritten, scriptural or not). Therefore deceit about membership, untruth, lies are what they are shown to be.
To Called Unto Liberty
Your inability to see other people's point of view,or to credit them with integrity, reflects on you as it does on Aileen in her case.
Honesty requires an open mind and a fairer,unprejudiced approach.
Hopefully you can achieve this if you set out to do so.
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Post by aileen on May 9, 2008 1:44:24 GMT -5
I suspect that "alana" and "Calleduntoliberty" are the same person.
I can be sure that I'm neither of them.
Alana, you imply (but don't directly accuse) that I'm lying about "2x2" membership. While I can just smile at that (and I do), knowing that your accusation is way off beam, I do wonder why you think that. Why do you?
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Post by To Aileen on May 9, 2008 15:03:36 GMT -5
I suspect that "alana" and "Calleduntoliberty" are the same person. I can be sure that I'm neither of them. Alana, you imply (but don't directly accuse) that I'm lying about "2x2" membership. While I can just smile at that (and I do), knowing that your accusation is way off beam, I do wonder why you think that. Why do you? Aileen, you are remarkably obtuse. You know perfectly well why other posters call into question your "membership" of the 2x2s. There is huge inconsistency in your view of the standards of the fellowship and the standards that the members profess to uphold. To rehash all and present it in a condensed form there are your claims that: i) You have television. Possession of this is not condoned in any way by any worker I know. ii) You claim workers watch the television with you and cheer on their favourite football teams. I have been with a number of workers in hospitals and divided homes and they do not watch television even when almost unavoidable. iii) You claim to be divorced and re-married. This may happen in England and Wales but I'm not aware of any workers that are comfortable with the situation. There are usually restrictions placed on the couple but you claim not to have any. If I have misunderstood your marital status, I apologise but in my defence, your posts can often be opaque in meaning. iv) You say there are no rules which as pointed out elsewhere is technically true, but there are expectations and if these are not met, disapproval and restrictions are imposed. All of the above indicates a shift and indeed lowering of the standards that were evident in the days when I was part of the 2x2s and as many of my family are still part of the fellowship, I can assure you in the different regions where they live (British Isles, N. America, Australia) this standard is still the norm. I can't make it much clearer why people on these boards are inclined to think that you are not part of the fellowship but it is entirely possible you have a very poor understanding of what is expected. I'd be inclined to think the latter.
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Post by aileen on May 14, 2008 9:30:13 GMT -5
I guess that you are saying that you think I'm a fake, a figment of imagination, a non-existent person.
I don't fit into your categories, your pigeon holes, so you can't accept me.
I don't think I've said that the are "no rules". I have said that some "rules" quoted by some do not exist as rules, but to say there are no rules at all is clearly exaggeration.
You claim my situation shows a "lowering" of standards. By what criteria do you say these standards are "lower"? Than what? which way is up?
Your points 1,2 & 3 are pretty accurate about what I've said, and what I experience.. Thats what it is. That you cannot accept my situation says more about you than it does about me. For example your partial statement "Possession of this is not condoned in any way by any worker I know.." says to me...
"I have not experienced this, so it does not exist."
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Post by To Aileen on May 15, 2008 17:43:35 GMT -5
I guess that you are saying that you think I'm a fake, a figment of imagination, a non-existent person You guess incorrectly. I don't fit into your categories, your pigeon holes, so you can't accept me. No categories or pigeonholes, just comaparitive observations. I don't think I've said that the are "no rules". I have said that some "rules" quoted by some do not exist as rules, but to say there are no rules at all is clearly exaggeration. An example of an opaque post and yes, I do believe you said there are no rules. You claim my situation shows a "lowering" of standards. By what criteria do you say these standards are "lower"? Than what? which way is up? The standards that all others on these boards have observed regardless of where they are in the world. I listed the points previously so you may find it helpful to re-read my earlier post. Your points 1,2 & 3 are pretty accurate about what I've said, and what I experience.. Thats what it is. That you cannot accept my situation says more about you than it does about me. For example your partial statement "Possession of this is not condoned in any way by any worker I know.." says to me... I said nothing of accepting your situation, nor I believe, has anyone else. It has been repeatedly pointed out that your situation is at odds with the teachings of the 2x2 fellowship. Your comment that my position says more about me than it does about you is vapid and not just without weight, it adds nothing to the argument. If you re-read my post, you will see that I have not taken a position, I have merely condensed the observations of many other contributors to the board. I beg your pardon, I did offer an opinion; I said "it is entirely possible you have a very poor understanding of what is expected". Re-reading your many posts, I have not found reason to change my position.
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Post by aileen on May 16, 2008 1:39:46 GMT -5
You've expressed your opinion, I've expressed mine. They're at odds with each other.
That my opinions are described by you as adding no weight to the argument says even more about your fixed opinions, and unwillingness to accept that there are those who are different to your expectations of what is to be found in our fellowship. (Guess you'll now describe that also as vapid, but you're entitled to your opinions)
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Post by calleduntoliberty on May 16, 2008 6:23:19 GMT -5
I am beginnig to think that Called Unto Liberty and Aileen are one and the same person. Interesting. I suspect that "alana" and "Calleduntoliberty" are the same person. Interesting.
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Post by Guest 1 on May 16, 2008 7:29:11 GMT -5
I can see why you would think CUL and Aileen are one and the same. Both have views that at odds with the mainstream fellowship and both seem to imply that their views are reflective of the mainstream of the fellowship.
Not that I disagree with their viewpoint , in many cases I agree, but I realise my views are at odds with mainstream . I have learned when to speak and when to be silent.....I pick my battles. Perhaps I'm being a hypocrite !
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Post by aileen on May 16, 2008 14:18:35 GMT -5
Perhaps the "mainstream" is the minority?
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Post by calleduntoliberty on May 16, 2008 15:08:03 GMT -5
The "mainstream" are the ones who left.
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Post by personal v objective on May 17, 2008 17:27:05 GMT -5
Personal experiences are great to share, but let's try to be intelligent and objective in representing our views and showing respect for the opinions of others. Turning everything into a personal affront and bickering diminishes the discussion and puts viewers off entering into sensible debate.
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Post by inadequate on May 17, 2008 17:29:39 GMT -5
with respect, that is what you get from 2x2 discussion, they reveal their own inability to reason and show up as inadequate, poor human beings----- the poor and needy!
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Post by catch phrase on May 17, 2008 17:32:45 GMT -5
Called unto lib reveals himself in his catch phrase "parents, don't sacrifice your children on the altar if education."
Those who despise education wallow in their own ignorance. Self inflicted.
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Post by aileen on May 18, 2008 6:59:11 GMT -5
"Those who despise education wallow in their own ignorance. Self inflicted. "
agreed.
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Post by To Aileen on May 25, 2008 16:05:03 GMT -5
You've expressed your opinion, I've expressed mine. They're at odds with each other. That my opinions are described by you as adding no weight to the argument says even more about your fixed opinions, and unwillingness to accept that there are those who are different to your expectations of what is to be found in our fellowship. (Guess you'll now describe that also as vapid, but you're entitled to your opinions) Aileen, you've missed the point of my post entirely. Let me remind you: in post no. 40 you wondered why someone questioned your membership of the 2x2 fellowship. I merely listed some points to help you better understand the misgivings of many posting here who are familiar with the standards and "guidelines" that are the distinguishing marks of members of the fellowship. I am sorry you have difficulty discerning the difference in facts and opinions, the first of which I listed earlier and the latter of which I've offered only one. I'm reluctant to use the word "vapid" again, but I am certain, if you re-read the thread and pay particular attention to my posts, you'll come to understand that your repeated use of the tired old cliché that my remarks say more about me than they do of you, are just that, vapid.
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Post by aileen on May 26, 2008 5:15:40 GMT -5
I'd apologise if I knew where to direct it??
I too am sorry that you think I "have difficulty discerning the difference in facts and opinions". Maybe you are right.
Maybe I'm in the wrong forum here and should just forget about it all?
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Post by irvinegrey on Jul 14, 2010 13:45:27 GMT -5
As part of my ongoing research into the 2x2 movement I spent a day at the Cork convention and a day at the Fermanagh convention. In both places I was made to feel most welcome and although I arrived in Cork without knowing anyone I had got to know and talk to quite a few before the end of the day. In Fermanagh which after all is home territory for me I met many that I had grown up with and in both places everyone I met was aware of my reason for being at the conventions. Over both days I heard a wide range of speakers both local and from overseas. Gortaloughan was a trip down memory lane since more than 40 years had passed since I was last there with my grandmother, Minnie Crowe. I still need lots of help with my research. More details on www.irvinegrey.com. or email irvinegrey@yahoo.co.uk
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