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Post by aileen on Feb 8, 2008 5:58:39 GMT -5
After that she was in the work in Italy. Am sure she's still there. She's not. She's in Cheltenham and working in Marks and Spencers. shes definitely not in M&S in Cheltenham.
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Post by Gene on Feb 8, 2008 12:05:30 GMT -5
That's not always the case. In my experience in Texas and Iowa USA some state overseers held some of the older sister workers in high esteem and sought their counsel in matters, including, I'm sure, field and companion assignments. Great to know this, but what has AGE got to do with anything? God calls, person ( happends to be a female sometimes) responds and goes into Work, can God then not inspire them or move them until they are an OLDER Sister or what?? Where's the logic? Two points: First, I hold that wisdom is partly derived from experience, and experience is correlated to age. That's not always applicable at the individual level, of course. There are some wise young people and some really stupid old folks. As an example, though, I certainly wouldn't want a 25 year-old as president of the U.S. I'm not sure even the typical 45 year old has sufficient experience for such a job. Second, your argument assumes that God calls people to go into the work and then inspires or moves them -- and that he can do so with any age person. I'd question whether God is doing ANY of that with ANY person, young or old. Hence, see above... wisdom, experience, age...
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Post by III on Feb 8, 2008 18:37:50 GMT -5
She's not. She's in Cheltenham and working in Marks and Spencers. shes definitely not in M&S in Cheltenham. Perhaps not, but I didn't say she was. As for the person that said it was irrelevent where she or anyone else works, I am simply pointing out that from my knowledge of 2x2's, it is not usual practise to hold down a job and preach the Gospel. Mention of her employer was simply to illustrate that it was unlikely for her to preach the Gospel in Albania, Italy or probably anywhere else while part of the 2x2s. I am open to correction on that point though.
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Post by Part Time on Feb 9, 2008 18:14:40 GMT -5
Part time is OK, a few years on or off. Change in all I see!
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Post by watching telly on Feb 15, 2008 6:41:42 GMT -5
Workers watching telly? Definately P. Stokes, the one most interested in telly!
Who else do you think watches telly with Aileen???
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Post by It Must on Feb 15, 2008 10:49:41 GMT -5
Workers watching telly? Definately P. Stokes, the one most interested in telly! Who else do you think watches telly with Aileen??? be one of those McDonalds clan up in the highlands since they have the power to get away with anything.
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Post by stolen freedoms on Feb 21, 2008 17:30:47 GMT -5
Sure, there has been a harsh strictness throught the years felt by the unwilling and the reluctant to obey the rules of the workers.
To those who saw Jesus, accepted Him in faith, loved Jesus, appreciated His sacrifice, their greatest FREEDOM came through OBEDIENCE, through DYING to SELF.
The Way is only too strict to those who don't want it.
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Post by WhY on Feb 21, 2008 17:32:40 GMT -5
If what you say is true, why have the workers changed the rules?
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Post by Coming soon on Feb 22, 2008 10:42:08 GMT -5
Coming Soon The Great Freedom Religion Saved by Grace No more Rules to keep No more Telly viewing devices to hide No more hidden sports activities Hair styles of your choice Wear adornment as you please Wedding Brides to be adorned as Paul described No more traffic warden style workers Nothing to Hide anymore Be yourselves, honest and true
Does this new religion appeal to You?
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Post by mobile on Feb 29, 2008 14:04:13 GMT -5
Workers watching telly? Definately P. Stokes, the one most interested in telly! Who else do you think watches telly with Aileen??? be one of those McDonalds clan up in the highlands since they have the power to get away with anything. They all have it on their mobiles, yes, on their mobules, TV, internet all.
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Post by working on Feb 29, 2008 14:14:13 GMT -5
shes definitely not in M&S in Cheltenham. Perhaps not, but I didn't say she was. As for the person that said it was irrelevent where she or anyone else works, I am simply pointing out that from my knowledge of 2x2's, it is not usual practise to hold down a job and preach the Gospel. Mention of her employer was simply to illustrate that it was unlikely for her to preach the Gospel in Albania, Italy or probably anywhere else while part of the 2x2s. I am open to correction on that point though. This is not a correction. Paul was known to work for his living. Didn't he make tents at one time? If workers had a part time job they would mix in the real world. Jesus seemed to spend a lot of time out and about talking to people we read in the gospels. He got to know people. He wasn't sitting in his room most of the day or just visiting his own close friends, They could do volutary work in the Red Cross, Oxfam, community projects.
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Post by No no freedom on Mar 23, 2008 2:15:13 GMT -5
Freedom does not exist. You are moved to have an idea about something like you want to liven up the singing because you have some REAL bad singers in your meeting, so you introduce a guitarist.
What happens?
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Post by in mind on Apr 11, 2008 14:22:22 GMT -5
Freedom is a state of mind.
You can choose it.
It exists for those who use it.
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Post by calleduntoliberty on May 3, 2008 22:57:56 GMT -5
Living in the UK seems to be far less subject to rules and regulations than the US. I've travelled all over the UK and the rules that some say exist do not. Its amazing how people dream up this stuff just to denigrate our fellowship. And just what are you dreaming up about the US, aileen?
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Post by Nobody wants on May 4, 2008 11:24:08 GMT -5
Nobody wants to "denigrate"anyone's fellowship, but Truth Will Out!
Try living without 2x2 rules to prove they do not exist!!!
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Post by jeremiah on May 5, 2008 5:53:39 GMT -5
My first doctorate is in education and I am a university professor. I teach Educational Leadership full time to those people who have this notion that they want to be a school principal or superintendent. My second masters is in counseling, and I am a licensed counselor and do counseling on the side. I am working on a second doctorate - the Psy.D., in clinical psychology, but am moving slowing due to money issues - lack of it!
With the background that I have, anyone is free to consult with me if you choose. I will listen and do my best to help YOU work through whatever issues are of concern, to the best of my ability. Even Jesus himself was not liked by all. Some even eventually hung him on a cross. You have to understand that we are all just human beings - including me, but I will do my best in this endeavor if any want to consult with me. I give out the following email address to all of my clients. This way things are kept more private. As a counselor we are trained NOT to share private and confidential information; especially when asked to keep things private and confidential. I had a worker come to me one time and ask me to work with a nephew. I met with the nephew for a few sessions, and then the worker contacted me wanting to know what we talked about. I absolutely did not share one thing, and told him that it is my policy to keep things confidential between myself and my clients. I have worked with workers wanting relief from tension and anxiety. I have worked with divorced individuals who have left the truth. I have lost track of all who have contacted me in the past. I have always done this free of charge, and online. At times it might be hard to immediately get back with someone, because I have to put my paid profession first; however, there again, I will do my best if anyone wants to contact me.
I am currently NOT attending meetings. As a foster child I lived with some friends in the truth until I was fourteen years old. At that point I was placed in another foster home. At that time I became exposed to other religions - each pretty much conveying to me that they were right and all others wrong. I did profess for about 15 years. My wife, raised Catholic professed eventually, for about ten years. We left the truth because someone was stirring up trouble about my past, including a couple of workers who had no idea what they were talking about. They would ask me questions, and then cut me down and criticize when I told them the truth. One worker tried to get me to get rid of all of my university textbooks. We got into a heated discussion when I told her that the books were my tools; saying, "Carpenters have tools. These are my tools. I have to have them in order to teach my classes." When a woman in the meetings where we were attending made fun of my wife when she was giving her testimony we left for good. It was very difficult for her to give her testimony any way. She sure didn't need this. Now, today, I am ready to go back to the meetings. I have seen enough. I am getting older and I see things differently now. I am happy to share my own experiences and views with anyone. My email address is DrJerryGarrett@yahoo.com. Nobody will ever know that you contacted me unless YOU tell them.
I want to encourage anyone in the truth to continue on in this way. I remember Andrew Abernathy, years ago, speaking at a convention at McCordsville in the states, in Indiana. He told of this woman who stood up to give her testimony who said, "I just want to go on, and on, and on, and on, in this way." Well, I believe that is the best thing to do. I am not some kind of religious fanatic. I have just had experiences that lead me to say this today. I am happy to share and of my thoughts and feelings with anyone, understanding that I do not think I have THE answer on anything. In other words, I am not a know it all kind of person at all. I like to talk WITH; not TO other people, and I like it when people talk WITH me. I am ready to run when someone starts talking TO me too much.
I hope to hear from some of the folks in England and Ireland.
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Post by aileen on May 5, 2008 13:50:06 GMT -5
Welcome Jeremiah,
seems we're in a similar trade!
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Post by ghost on Jun 17, 2008 4:37:24 GMT -5
Is this the Denise that was reportedly caught in bed with Douglas Crompton, or are we speaking about somebody else?
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Post by Religious fanatic on Jun 17, 2008 12:08:01 GMT -5
Now, today, I am ready to go back to the meetings. I have seen enough. I am getting older and I see things differently now.............. I wand to encourage anyone in the truth to continue on in this way..........Well, I believe that is the best thing to do. Er.....em.....why?
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Post by D and D on Jun 22, 2008 2:50:11 GMT -5
Is this the Denise that was reportedly caught in bed with Douglas Crompton, or are we speaking about somebody else? Doubt it. She spent most of the past 10 years in Italy and Albania until she returned home with her nerves shot and took a "rest" period which continues... She still goes to meetings and I'd imagine if she were caught having tussles under the bedclothes, she'd be reluctant to show her face again.
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Post by irvinegrey on Aug 6, 2008 14:37:47 GMT -5
Here I am based in Northern Ireland and although never part of the 'meeting people' I never recall a time in my life that I was not aware of them. For several years I was interested in doing some formal study in theology so that I could learn more about the wonderful Saviour whom I love and serve. Four years ago I started to study for a Bachelor of Theology at Queen's University Belfast and graduated in July. The university have now offered me the opportunity to do a Master of Philosophy as a research degree and my chosen area of research was to write a thesis on the movement, known by many names but I will call them the meeting people from its formation to the present day and as well as study in detail its modus operandi and what they actually believe and teach. As far as we can tell the movement has never had anyone carry out an academic study on it. My good friend and mentor Dr Herbert McGonigle, the retired principal of the Nazarene Theological College in the UK is also from Co Fermanagh and is unaware of any previous academic study.Since this is an academic study I have got to be objective but that does not prevent me from analysing the evidence and making assessments of the information that I gather using the Bible as the yardstick to measure the make comparisons! My contact with the movement goes back to my childhood. I was brought up in a Methodist family in Killadeas Co Fermanagh and this was very close to a lot of the initial activity of the movement.The movement seems to have grown from William Irvine who was a Faith Mission worker in Ireland around the late 18th century. Edward Cooney became involved with the movement around 1904.I met Edward Cooney in the home of Mrs Sarah West around 1959 when I was 13 years old. He was accompanied by an aged worker from Sweden by the name of August. He was excommunicated at a meeting in the Lurgan area where I now live in 1928 and the leader of the work at that time emerged as Wilson Reid. Today there would be very few adherents to the original Cooney following. The first baptisms were carried out in the Ballinamallard river a few miles from my home. My maternal grandmother was part of the group was most of her brothers and sisters. Some of this family moved to Canada and North America and the family name was Creagmile.I met for the first time workers of the movement when my father let them have a corner of a field on the family farm to put up a portable hall and hold a mission. That was around 1956. They were Hugh Breen and Nat Stevenson and although only 10 years old I have a very clear recollection of them.
A few weeks ago, the Impartial Reporter, the Co Fermanagh provincial newspaper carried a full page interview with Ruby Ferguson, daughter of the late William Henry west who was one of the founding members of the movement. My mother agreed that mrs Ferguson's description of those early days was highly accurate and she ought to know given that her mother was part of the movement.The following week it carried a full page interview with Patrica Roberts who has written a book on the life of Edward Cooney. I came to the Lord as a boy in 1958 at a mission in our little Methodist Church and took a keen interest in the Scriptures and my grandmother thought I would make a great meetings boy and consequently brought me to meetings and conventions but the precocious youth could only dispute with the workers as to their interpretation of scripture. Even at that I did make some good friends amongst them but was never in the least bit inclined to become involved in the movement. Although I did at one stage think it would be good to become a worker and try to change them from the inside! I have many friends and relatives who are members of the movement and know some workers quite well. I do not expect them to actively participate in my research but I do feel that I can get closer to them than most could do simply because of my family connections. It is my intention to use every avenue possible to get the information I need to make my research meaningful and this will involve finding out where they are having 'gospel' meetings and their conventions and going there and take copious notes and using a tape recorder where appropriate. Once I have a full outline of my research it is my intention to approach editors of provincial newspapers where I know that there is a reasonable number of adherents and appeal for help with the project. One never knows what this will bring out of the woodwork. I have little doubt that this research is going to lead me beyond the shores of Ireland where it all started to places such as the US and further afield. Admittedly this is an academic research project but I want the final outcome to be to God's glory and to end up with a work that will be instrumental in leading misled souls to the Saviour. My 23 year old son, David who loves the Lord is taking a big interest in this research and will help where he can. I know that they have a work in Sweden and my wife, Ingvor comes from Jonkoping in Sweden so that too could be useful. I hope all of this gives you a good overview of where I am coming from and where I hope I am going with this.If you can be of any assistance whatsoever I will value it immensely.
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Post by Academic on Aug 7, 2008 2:06:25 GMT -5
This sounds like a really worthwhile project, and if truly academic and without bias, will be one of very few independent, unbiassed views of this group.
But I wonder if its possible to be without prejudice?
"...but I want the final outcome to be to God's glory and to end up with a work that will be instrumental in leading misled souls to the Saviour."
You have stated your prejudice already before you start. You have implied here that you are right and they are wrong, that they are unsaved, and that leading them to what you consider right will be good for them.
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Post by ooT on Aug 7, 2008 13:16:07 GMT -5
Another statement that shows bias. Had you used the word 'discuss' instead of 'dispute', it would have been more objective.
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Post by to irvinegrey on Aug 7, 2008 13:53:38 GMT -5
Much indepth research into Fundamentalist Religions and Sects has been undertaken and there are several publications. You can access www.apologetics.org for details. Some interesting comparisons have been made by a USA Professor who was raised in a "professing" family. There are books available written by members who have moved on.
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Post by To Irvine Grey on Aug 7, 2008 16:00:24 GMT -5
Here I am based in Northern Ireland and although never part of the 'meeting people' I never recall a time in my life that I was not aware of them. For several years I was interested in doing some formal study in theology so that I could learn more about the wonderful Saviour whom I love and serve. Four years ago I started to study for a Bachelor of Theology at Queen's University Belfast and graduated in July. The university have now offered me the opportunity to do a Master of Philosophy as a research degree and my chosen area of research was to write a thesis on the movement, known by many names but I will call them the meeting people from its formation to the present day and as well as study in detail its modus operandi and what they actually believe and teach. As far as we can tell the movement has never had anyone carry out an academic study on it. My good friend and mentor Dr Herbert McGonigle, the retired principal of the Nazarene Theological College in the UK is also from Co Fermanagh and is unaware of any previous academic study.Since this is an academic study I have got to be objective but that does not prevent me from analysing the evidence and making assessments of the information that I gather using the Bible as the yardstick to measure the make comparisons! My contact with the movement goes back to my childhood. I was brought up in a Methodist family in Killadeas Co Fermanagh and this was very close to a lot of the initial activity of the movement.The movement seems to have grown from William Irvine who was a Faith Mission worker in Ireland around the late 18th century. Edward Cooney became involved with the movement around 1904.I met Edward Cooney in the home of Mrs Sarah West around 1959 when I was 13 years old. He was accompanied by an aged worker from Sweden by the name of August. He was excommunicated at a meeting in the Lurgan area where I now live in 1928 and the leader of the work at that time emerged as Wilson Reid. Today there would be very few adherents to the original Cooney following. The first baptisms were carried out in the Ballinamallard river a few miles from my home. My maternal grandmother was part of the group was most of her brothers and sisters. Some of this family moved to Canada and North America and the family name was Creagmile.I met for the first time workers of the movement when my father let them have a corner of a field on the family farm to put up a portable hall and hold a mission. That was around 1956. They were Hugh Breen and Nat Stevenson and although only 10 years old I have a very clear recollection of them. A few weeks ago, the Impartial Reporter, the Co Fermanagh provincial newspaper carried a full page interview with Ruby Ferguson, daughter of the late William Henry west who was one of the founding members of the movement. My mother agreed that mrs Ferguson's description of those early days was highly accurate and she ought to know given that her mother was part of the movement.The following week it carried a full page interview with Patrica Roberts who has written a book on the life of Edward Cooney. I came to the Lord as a boy in 1958 at a mission in our little Methodist Church and took a keen interest in the Scriptures and my grandmother thought I would make a great meetings boy and consequently brought me to meetings and conventions but the precocious youth could only dispute with the workers as to their interpretation of scripture. Even at that I did make some good friends amongst them but was never in the least bit inclined to become involved in the movement. Although I did at one stage think it would be good to become a worker and try to change them from the inside! I have many friends and relatives who are members of the movement and know some workers quite well. I do not expect them to actively participate in my research but I do feel that I can get closer to them than most could do simply because of my family connections. It is my intention to use every avenue possible to get the information I need to make my research meaningful and this will involve finding out where they are having 'gospel' meetings and their conventions and going there and take copious notes and using a tape recorder where appropriate. Once I have a full outline of my research it is my intention to approach editors of provincial newspapers where I know that there is a reasonable number of adherents and appeal for help with the project. One never knows what this will bring out of the woodwork. I have little doubt that this research is going to lead me beyond the shores of Ireland where it all started to places such as the US and further afield. Admittedly this is an academic research project but I want the final outcome to be to God's glory and to end up with a work that will be instrumental in leading misled souls to the Saviour. My 23 year old son, David who loves the Lord is taking a big interest in this research and will help where he can. I know that they have a work in Sweden and my wife, Ingvor comes from Jonkoping in Sweden so that too could be useful. I hope all of this gives you a good overview of where I am coming from and where I hope I am going with this.If you can be of any assistance whatsoever I will value it immensely. Unfortunately from an historic perspective, many of those that would be willing to talk have died. (Others that do know a little will refuse to talk.) Freddie Cathcart for instance, and perhaps Alan Cooke's father would have known much of the history and both are dead. It is a shame that there was a unique knowledge and insight that was not recorded (at least not that I know of) for posterity. Not to use as a stick to beat the workers or friends, but that we could simply marvel at how the prayers and soul-searching of a few men could start a movement that is world-wide and in spite of all the protests to the contrary, there is the same endeavours toward simplicity of life and spirituality. I should point out to you that some of the memories of the West descendents are hazy and sometimes idealised. A daughter of John and Sara West, a number of years ago did write an account of her childhood and naturally made reference to the fellowship and the conventions at her home. I have no idea how you might get your hands on it though. The worker's name was August Gustavsson and he and Edward Cooney seldom were on speaking terms, choosing rather to communicate by notes when under the same roof. I wish you well in your project.
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Post by Ask Cherie on Aug 8, 2008 1:10:05 GMT -5
You could ask Cherie Kroppe. Visit her site on VOT Veterans of Truth.
She has researched and put together fascinating collections of letters, photos etc. which are of interest to present members.
Though she appears to have a desire to belittle the Movement, and eventually to undermine its existence, she has unearthed facts that have helped existing members to improve their image, a thing they have been careless about in the past. Reading through the posts, one gets an overall impression of a simple people sincerely trying to follow Bible concepts: a people prone to all the human failings and aspirations common to mankind.
You surely have come across her site.
It would be interesting if a younger person than yourself were to research the movement as youth tend to be less influenced by past baggage and can be more objective.
Best Wishes and may your research produce insight into the Scriptures too.
Will be following anything you publish or post.
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Post by to Jeremiah on Aug 8, 2008 1:14:00 GMT -5
How long were you a school principal or superintendent?
How much experience did you have before lecturing on educational issues?
How much practical experience as a counsellor?
A CV would be appropriate before offering services!
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Post by welcome back on Aug 8, 2008 1:26:53 GMT -5
Now, today, I am ready to go back to the meetings. I have seen enough. I am getting older and I see things differently now.............. I wand to encourage anyone in the truth to continue on in this way..........Well, I believe that is the best thing to do. Er.....em.....why? Whatever makes you think you would be welcomed back? The criteria for entry is so contrary to the image you display in your post. Are you a sincere seeker wanting to make peace with God? Are you willing to give up your will? Are you willing to be led by workers? (most will be young enough to be your sons or daughters.) Are you willing to give up your own thoughts for those esteemed to come from God, via the workers? Have you already given up your worldly possessions, ie. radio, TV. alcohol, any other perceived vices??? Have you given up any cultural persuits, interest in sport, theatre, films, committees, Are you willing to live a simple life, work and meetings? For your own peace of mind, if you sincerely wish to return to the fold you need to sort this out as it will be required of you. Then you can bury the past and start again with a clean slate.
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