Where do we stand Guest
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Post by Where do we stand Guest on Jan 25, 2008 10:28:50 GMT -5
Whats mentioned above is correct. ..... And standards have changed dramatically. The more realistic standards of the colonies (Oz and NZ) have brought to the UK a freshness that was needed. The girsl don't feel bound by rules and do whats sensible, without (mostly) being too provocative. The boys likewise. I understand its the same in Scotland, but not sure about NIreland. These imports play organised sports, regard fashions, mix wider than just the friends, attend other denominations at times, are very mobile (move about a lot), and travel heaps.In other words they assume a feedom that is not on offer and break the rules of the workers. When have you ever heard a worker upholding these activities, preaching that they are acceptable?? No such freedoms exist. Though breaking the rules is evident.
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Post by Freedomer on Jan 25, 2008 13:25:29 GMT -5
Of course if there is no-one keeping the rules, then the rules in effect don't exist.
If rules are repeatedly broken and allowed to be broken, they are not rules.
So: there are no rules.
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Post by Damage done on Jan 25, 2008 22:26:42 GMT -5
Of course if there is no-one keeping the rules, then the rules in effect don't exist. If rules are repeatedly broken and allowed to be broken, they are not rules. So: there are no rules. equals double thinking
By the same score that rules are enforced for some in some areas by some officials and not in others because consistency is lacking
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Post by desert island on Jan 26, 2008 3:27:47 GMT -5
the workers dont generally approve of people who travel a lot who are not reliable in attending one place of meeting
however it is fair to say many from NZ, Australia, Africa, Europe etc who are in UK working for a year or two do appreciate the chance to see the country so this means that theyre often away weekends
i dont think there are any rules about this but on the other hand it must be difficult for whoever hosts the meetings to know how many to expect and how many chairs to put out
I dont think there are any rules but some things like dressing seductively (split skirts etc) have definitely been spoken about in the past
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Post by where do we stand on Jan 26, 2008 13:00:04 GMT -5
I don't think there are any rules, but these are the rules. Some break the rules but there aren't any rules I don't think. Who are we kidding? The unwritten rules could fill volumes. Just because some rebel friend or worker doesn't keep them does not mean they've gone away. People are reminded of them constantly, therefore they are rules. Like it or not these trivial rules are the guilt cultivators that rob the fellowship of freedom and joy, that create angst and spoil worship.
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Post by desert island on Jan 27, 2008 3:24:57 GMT -5
until about 20 years ago all the ladies in the UK had to wear hats when they went to meeting
and at convention, especially the sunday morning meeting
at convention you always knew which lady workers were going to speak in a meeting because they wore a hat if the others didnt. Workers from abroad usually had to borrow a hat for the purpose
It suddenly stopped, probably as fast as the black stockings, about 20 years ago. It would now be unusual to see a worker or female non-worker in a hat unless they were feeling the cold
It was just an unwritten dress code that died out
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Post by jacinta on Jan 27, 2008 7:54:15 GMT -5
seems like its a different religion between usa and uk ?
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Post by Iilene on Jan 27, 2008 15:01:22 GMT -5
What is like in Scotland for the professing folks? ~ Iilene
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Post by Mhairi on Jan 27, 2008 15:06:03 GMT -5
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Post by Iilene on Jan 27, 2008 15:18:01 GMT -5
~~ I would have not liked wearing a hat to meetings~~I may
have considered if I was having a "bad hair day".~~ I also refused
to wear black stockings in the summer because black attracts
heat.~~ Iilene
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Post by Intraested on Jan 27, 2008 16:06:57 GMT -5
Is that a picture of the Scottish friends?
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Post by Guest on Jan 27, 2008 19:58:00 GMT -5
until about 20 years ago all the ladies in the UK had to wear hats when they went to meeting and at convention, especially the sunday morning meeting at convention you always knew which lady workers were going to speak in a meeting because they wore a hat if the others didnt. Workers from abroad usually had to borrow a hat for the purpose It suddenly stopped, probably as fast as the black stockings, about 20 years ago. It would now be unusual to see a worker or female non-worker in a hat unless they were feeling the cold It was just an unwritten dress code that died out[ color=Maroon]It was another ridiculous, pedantic, damaging strongly enforced RULE. Certainly it was an unwritten, RULE with no scripture to support its enforcement other than a series of mis interpreted quotes out of context.[/color][/color] However it was a tool used by power seekers and control freaks to dominate others.
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Post by degem on Jan 27, 2008 20:01:21 GMT -5
If I am understanding this right, Guest, to wear the color maroon was a no no? That's one of my favorite colors. Gem
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Post by degem on Jan 27, 2008 20:02:37 GMT -5
Or perhaps I misunderstood the post Gem
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Post by Guest Guest on Jan 27, 2008 20:15:06 GMT -5
No, Gem, RED was the colour that you shouldn't wear.....
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Post by degem on Jan 27, 2008 20:17:44 GMT -5
Thanks Guest Guest! Afraid RED and different shadings of red are my favorite colors to wear. Guess I would have been in "hot water" back then for wearing that color. Gem
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Post by desert island on Jan 28, 2008 2:42:36 GMT -5
I never remember anything against maroon
In fact thats the sort of colour the mission halls (used on conventiongrounds) have sometimes been painted
But white was a no no. I remember some people coming from Australia, they werent young, but they wore white to the meeting and an old worker said they needed a colour change. Apparently one of these old ladies from Os used to be a worker and I couldnt see anything wrong with her. In fact she was a supersaint In fact white clothes at weddings are even off for friends in the uk
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Post by hope on Jan 28, 2008 3:40:00 GMT -5
I grew up in Ireland so can appreciate a lot of what is being said...
I always found it strange that you were discouraged to read Christian books and listen to Christian music... That you were told not to hang out with Christians from other churches.
So I listened to normal music, read normal books, and hung out with a ... ungodly crowd both outside the meetings and inside the meetings.
I now realise that this was a control mechanism used to make us believe that anyone outside the meetings were sunday worshipers, as I got to know christians from other churches I realised how much they loved God and how much they had totally submitted to God and made Jesus their Lord... this was the first thing to make me unsatisfied and start looking outside of the meetings... I started to compare the spiritual wisdom and submission the christians outside the meetings had towards God in their soul with the appearance of submission the people in the meetings had in their wardrobes and lack of TVs.
I would not want to judge however the meetings, there are I know some Jesus loving Christians within, but these control mechanisms are questionable.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Jan 28, 2008 4:05:43 GMT -5
hope...I enjoy your posts; thank you! M.
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Post by Brutish on Jan 28, 2008 4:39:00 GMT -5
Most wedding in the UK in the last 5 years have had women wearing white included. Most of the brides wear white. One had the groom in a white suit !!
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Post by Ahbut on Jan 28, 2008 20:44:41 GMT -5
Well, there's progress then!!
White weddings have been another bone of contention in the past, with some workers refusing an invitation if the bride would dress in white! This question is often raised when it is known by workers that there will be a wedding. Some workers would attend the wedding of a son or daughter of an ïn"family, but refuse that of a less favoured member.No consistency among workers in applying the rule.
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Post by aileen on Jan 30, 2008 6:52:15 GMT -5
I wore white at my wedding and so did my mother. Have never heard of any restriction on colour of dress at weddings, or elsewhere, nor has my mother (I asked her). We're both B&R.
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Post by Is It the TRUTH on Jan 30, 2008 7:34:08 GMT -5
aileen-----what are we supposed to believe? You are also the one that claims workers get together with the friends and watch football games on TV.
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Post by Guest just wondering on Jan 30, 2008 12:14:39 GMT -5
Born and raised where, Aileen? In the UK for many years particularly in England, people have been restricted from wearing white wedding dresses, over the years it has been actively preached from the platform, workers have been known to speak to friends privately about not wearing white wedding dresses. Some workers, (names withheld) have given that reason for not attending a wedding, because the bride was to wear a traditional wedding dress. This may not have been mentioned from the platform as much in the last ten years, but definately the older workers (who are the only ones supposed to be giving advice, have been adamant about this. Even in the earlier years friends disobeyed this command. However they were made to feel it in the usual ways!!
Why this should be when Paul describes the body of the christian church as the bride of Christ, is a mystery.
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Post by wearing white on Jan 30, 2008 12:17:26 GMT -5
I have known many friends over the years who have worn
white wedding dresses and many of them long. I am from the
States.
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Post by aileen on Jan 30, 2008 12:39:31 GMT -5
Born and raised where, Aileen? In the UK for many years particularly in England, people have been restricted from wearing white wedding dresses, over the years it has been actively preached from the platform, workers have been known to speak to friends privately about not wearing white wedding dresses. Some workers, (names withheld) have given that reason for not attending a wedding, because the bride was to wear a traditional wedding dress. This may not have been mentioned from the platform as much in the last ten years, but definately the older workers (who are the only ones supposed to be giving advice, have been adamant about this. Even in the earlier years friends disobeyed this command. However they were made to feel it in the usual ways!! Why this should be when Paul describes the body of the christian church as the bride of Christ, is a mystery. B*R in the UK. If you are trolling for a bite with these lies, then go ahead. Maybe some will bite. But thats just not true. In fact it so far removed from truth that its laughable. I guess that its a good way to get fun, winding ppl up like that??
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Post by Good sense on Jan 30, 2008 13:00:07 GMT -5
No, Gem, RED was the colour that you shouldn't wear..... Well that made good sense. Seeing that conventions were/are held on farms can you imagine a whole lot of people walking around dressed in red? What do you think would have been the reactions of the bulls? It would have been like red rags to those poor bulls--charge taurus charge!!! What a sight that would have been to see old and young ladies chased by raving bulls breathing smoke through their nostrils. The charge of the bull brigade on the Red army.
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Post by Matt on Jan 30, 2008 16:18:45 GMT -5
Aileen
You may be B&R but I very much doubt that you're a world wide authority on the peculiarities of the so-called Truth. What makes you so certain in relation to your knowledge of the 2x2 position on the wearing of white wedding dresses in the UK? Is it because that it isn't what you wish to believe (this is called delusion) or is it because you have reliable information? If it is the latter it would strengthen your position to share such information with the doubters - which weddings have you attended in the uk, what workers were there, what type of dress was worn?
For what it's worth traditional white wedding dresses were frowned upon in Ireland certainly until very recently (I can't speak for now) to the extent that they were preached against at Fermanagh convention by no higher authority than the right honourable Comrade Gamble himself. Furthermore 'advice' was also provided by the workers restricting the numbers at weddings - I think it forty was considered the maximum. I can't say that everyone abided by the guidance laid down but it was certainly the official 2x2 position and the happy couple would certainly have a visit from a worker prior to the great event to ensure the advice was indeed passed on.
It is folly to attempt to write the history of the 2x2 sect as something that it isn't - it has all been tried before by those deemed greater in the 2x2 hierarchy than thou.
Matt
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