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Post by K on Oct 3, 2004 11:55:04 GMT -5
Kerry supports partial birth abortion which means ripping a baby out of his or her mother's womb, sticking scissors into its skull and having its brains sucked out. Limp remains is thrown into a trash can. No burial. No tombstone.
Kerry believes in same sex marriage.
I question any Christian who votes for a liberal from the Northeast who supports a lifestyle as evil as Sodom and Gomorrow. Whether Europeans like the French looking Kerry or not is no big deal. They don't understand US politics.
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Post by Just Here on Oct 3, 2004 16:23:59 GMT -5
Kerry supports partial birth abortion which means ripping a baby out of his or her mother's womb, sticking scissors into its skull and having its brains sucked out. Limp remains is thrown into a trash can. No burial. No tombstone. I am surprised at how many times you can be wrong. I believe Kerry supports a woman's right to choose. Can you point to any scripture that speaks against same sex marriage? Please explain the sins of Sodom.
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Post by k on Oct 3, 2004 19:43:47 GMT -5
A woman has NO right to murder her baby. It is a life not a choice. You are either PRO-LIFE or you are pro-DEATH!
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Post by cp on Oct 3, 2004 20:00:54 GMT -5
Bush supports capitol punishment. Is that pro-life?
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Post by Just Here on Oct 3, 2004 22:24:03 GMT -5
A woman has NO right to murder her baby. Imagine my surprise. You are wrong on two points in a single sentence. Not only is it not murder, as it turns out, a woman does have the right to decide to have an abortion. I am begining to wonder if you think at all before you begin to press the keys. Oh, what a black and white world you live in. It is a choice. I am guessing you will never have to make it. Probably a good thing you did not attempt to answer the questions though. Could require thought.
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 3, 2004 23:45:11 GMT -5
Present,
Your condecending, arrogant manner is not endearing... it reminds me of Mr. Kerry's style of communication.
It wouldn't be so bad if you werent hiding behind a handle.
Robb
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Post by Brenda on Oct 4, 2004 6:38:20 GMT -5
What a can of worms talking about abortion--
Now I am a Republican-- and will vote for Bush-- BUT
My personal opinion is that abortion is more of a moral issue than a government issue.
Making it illegal will not make it go away--just like there is prostitution, drugs etc.. that are all illegal but rampant--
Time would be better spent trying to teach our youth the morals that would make them never even consider it--
I also want to add because of the graphic detail the topic starter had of partial birth abortion-- does that really happen?? If so that is horrid.
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Post by Just Here on Oct 4, 2004 7:15:13 GMT -5
Present, Your condecending, arrogant manner is not endearing... it reminds me of Mr. Kerry's style of communication. Sometime you just have to tell the truth and it is difficult to shade it in anyway to make people feel better about what the message is. What is in a name? Would you like it better if I entered a first and last name? Would it matter if they were mine? Would you know the difference? Have I ever ducked out on an issue and not bothered to answer and support my opinions? I fail to see your issue. I have no idea if Robb Klaty is really your name or not, nor does it matter to me. You voice your opinions and respond to questions (usually!!!). How is your name any less of a handle than mine? The graphic description of the partial birth abortion was, IMHO, out of line. Partial birth abortions make up a very small minority of the procedures. But, like MM, the writer does grasp the idea of the shock value of words. Murder is always a good one. Never mind the facts. It is a distortion of the truth. Everyone wants to prevent abortions. Making them illegal is not the way to prevent them. That would just make them illegal. Educating people is the solution. Is there any reason to think it would be any different than the results of the war on drugs? Provide yet another source of revenue for criminals and take away any controls regarding safety.
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 4, 2004 9:47:28 GMT -5
Wow, just don't apply that failed logic to anything else you are trying to prevent. Murder, rape, theft, etc. Btw, the reason they should be illegal is because they are wrong. I would like it better if you entered your real first and last name as many here have. This limits people from saying things (like arrogant, condescending remarks) that they don't want associated with their name. I had not considered why someone would want to decieve in that way, but apparently you have. For me, a little respect is lost on people who hide behind handles (or false names). After all, we were talking about respect werent we? I find it interesting that a person brings up the respect issue concerning the President and criticizes his almost every move is someone who will not even use their real name when doing so. I see it as cowardly and weak. You might be right about that. Robb Klaty
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Post by Just Here on Oct 4, 2004 12:02:53 GMT -5
What a can of worms talking about abortion-- I am always amazed that some people think that supporting the right of a woman to choose is the same as saying it is ok to have an abortion. Whether or not I would have an abortion has nothing to do with passing a law that would prevent me from deciding. Passing a law that makes it illegal to speed does not mean that no one will speed. Making heroin illegal does not mean no one will be taking heroin once the law is passed. Education works very well. Why? We are in agreement here. The oldest profession. Odd that where it is legal there are not as many problems regarding prostitution as there are where it is illegal. And the government actually spends far less and can use those funds in improving the lives of its citizens rather than fighting an unwinnable battle. Who are you, logical woman? Death is horrid. If you want to make a point and not bother with the effort of looking up the actual facts, use really graphic terms to stir the emotions of the reader and don't worry about the distortion. Odd we never read in graphic detail about the state of the children who were caught in the crossfire in Iraq. Dead is dead. How a person can support a president when they wish to impose their beliefs on people and prohibit abortions but can then turn around and support thr same president who is in favor of capital punishment and attacks a country on the suspicion that they are a threat to the US us beyond me. Perhaps the details of what a cruise missile does to humans should accompany the description of the partial birth abortion. I could describe it but there are perhaps many who would rather not read about it. As they say, a picture is worth 1000 words. Click on the link with care - war is not a pretty business. Known in the trade as 'young collateral damage' www.zippyimages.com/files/117893/dump1.jpg
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Post by Just Here on Oct 4, 2004 12:16:01 GMT -5
Wow, just don't apply that failed logic to anything else you are trying to prevent. Murder, rape, theft, etc. Btw, the reason they should be illegal is because they are wrong. I thought the goal was to prevent abortions from happening not to punish those who elect to have one. We all want something! As far as I can tell, my remarks are associated with my name. You knew exactly who to respond to. Now if you wanted to take "k" to task I could see your point. Who knows how many post as "k". Of course, I have a feeling if you post something as "k" that is not quite right that it will be deleted. Think "k" could possibly be the administrator? We were at one time. There are many reasons why a person might not want to use their real name. Your loss of respect for that person, based only on the fact that they use a name that does not seem to be their actual name, seems to be a judgement that has little to back it up. But then, perhaps I am using my real name. A judgement applied based on what? My failure to take respsonsibility for what I have posted? My failure to admit what I have posted? My failure to respond when questioned? My failure to at least try to back up what I say with references to the source? How is my posting any different than yours? Would you like me to attach a name? Chris Barnard
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Post by Brenda on Oct 4, 2004 15:45:21 GMT -5
actually I thought we did agree-- basically you said making it illegal does not work-- which is what I said-- when I said opening a can of worms about Abortion-- I guess I meant that the "Abortion issue" always causes folks with strong beliefs one way or another to argue-- the argueing is the can of worms I meant-- not abortion itself--
I am a Republican that actually believes in the womans right to choose-- But mostly because I believe in less government--
As to why I will vote fore Bush-- Born and raised Republican-- vote more on economic issues that social issues-- a lot of stuff-- But I will also admit to not being a good debater-- so I am not going into much more than that-- lol
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Post by Guest on Oct 4, 2004 22:54:54 GMT -5
YES, a Christian can vote for Kerry!!! Here is how: As it was already pointed out, abortion can be considered a moral issue that each person must decide for themselves without government interference. Abortion is one of those red herring issues in that it will galvanize thousands of Christians against Kerry when chances are good that Kerry will have no impact at all on abortion laws during his time in the white house. Even with this issue, there are many other issues at stake. Christians and everyone else will be better served to look at the WHOLE picture, not just a single issue. Afterall, isn't that what God and Jesus would do, is to look at the big picture? Christians might consider the carnage Bush is partly responsible for in Iraq (including babies & children), the less-safe status of the world as a whole, and other items of concern.
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Post by Just Here on Oct 4, 2004 23:02:33 GMT -5
actually I thought we did agree-- basically you said making it illegal does not work-- which is what I said-- when I said opening a can of worms about Abortion-- I guess I meant that the "Abortion issue" always causes folks with strong beliefs one way or another to argue-- the argueing is the can of worms I meant-- not abortion itself-- We do agree on this point it seems. I was generalizing on the others comments. Abortion issues does galvanize people into action and they often seem to cease thinking when they respond. We will have to work on this issue! As to not being a good debator - all you need is a few fingers and the facts to back up your statements. You seem to be holding your own very well.
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Post by huh on Oct 5, 2004 5:58:28 GMT -5
Christians might consider the carnage Bush is partly responsible for in Iraq (including babies & children), the less-safe status of the world as a whole, and other items of concern. ============== What a load of BS. Arab Muslim thugs are the ones doing the killing. The doofuses who have been brainwashed by Saddam, Al-Sadr, Bin Laden and Al-Zaraqawi the head hunter. I am sick of the anti-American BS in the media. USA number one!
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Post by Brenda on Oct 5, 2004 21:33:38 GMT -5
I am a Bush supporter-- but still would believe and appreciate your post more if it were not under the handle of "huh"
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Post by Number one on Oct 6, 2004 1:03:34 GMT -5
What a load of BS. Arab Muslim thugs are the ones doing the killing. The doofuses who have been brainwashed by Saddam, Al-Sadr, Bin Laden and Al-Zaraqawi the head hunter. I am sick of the anti-American BS in the media. USA number one! Being number one is not always a good thing. As to who is doing the killing - the US is certainly number one in the killing game when compared to all of the terrorists put together. Being number one in using resourses is not a good thing. Number one in the amount of energy used per person is nothing to brag about. Being number one in the amount of waste produced per person is not a great quality. It is a small planet. We can all play together or we won't have any place to play.
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Post by To Number one on Oct 6, 2004 15:33:16 GMT -5
Everything you wrote is a damn lie and you know it.
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Post by OK on Oct 6, 2004 15:43:28 GMT -5
Everything you wrote is a damn lie and you know it. Would you care to back up what you say? I am certain I can.
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Post by Look in the Mirror on Oct 8, 2004 23:37:49 GMT -5
I would like it better if you entered your real first and last name as many here have. This limits people from saying things (like arrogant, condescending remarks) that they don't want associated with their name. Robb Klaty Using your name hasn't limited you from such remarks.
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 9, 2004 9:56:28 GMT -5
;D
Ah, it's all relative. Just think about how I might respond if didn't use my real name.
Robb
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Post by Look in the mirror on Oct 10, 2004 2:07:48 GMT -5
;D Ah, it's all relative. Just think about how I might respond if didn't use my real name. Robb If you are sincere, you wouldn't respond any differently with a different name.
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 10, 2004 9:13:55 GMT -5
Admittedly you are right, however I am not the kind of person to hide behind other names anymore either. I must admit that over a year ago, I did not use my real name. At that time, I did respond differently. I was afraid of people that I know reading the posts and thinking less of me, so if I had something rather hard hitting to say I would hide my true identity. I now see that as cowardly and I regret doing it.
Robb
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Post by Look in the mirror on Oct 10, 2004 21:24:24 GMT -5
Admittedly you are right, however I am not the kind of person to hide behind other names anymore either. I must admit that over a year ago, I did not use my real name. At that time, I did respond differently. I was afraid of people that I know reading the posts and thinking less of me, so if I had something rather hard hitting to say I would hide my true identity. I now see that as cowardly and I regret doing it. Robb IMO, you were not cowardly. You had justifiable reasons which are similar or the same as many who have done likewise.
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Post by John Kerry on Oct 18, 2004 16:53:51 GMT -5
i support kerry but im pro life christian or not i fell you taakeing away some ones right to life theres other ways but women have rights i just dont think one of those rights should be to take away some one elses right to live.
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Post by John Kerry on Oct 18, 2004 18:38:31 GMT -5
Hi I am JOhn Kerry. Vote for me: 1. I support partial birth abortion. I believe we should rip little babies out of the womb, stick scissors in their skulls, suck their brains out and throw their limp bodies in the trash without proper burial.
2. I voted against the first Gulf War in 1991 which would have given Kuwait to my friend, Saddam Hussein.
3. I support gay marriage. I am from MA. Me and Teddy Kennedy will create a liberal socialist state.
4. I support a global test for my sensitive war on terrorism. If you don't like my wife, you can shove it.
5. I support nationalizing 1/7 of the economy.
6. I want to tax small businesses.
7. I will cure arthritis and cerebral palsy.
I am JOhn Kerry and I support this message.
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 19, 2004 0:40:57 GMT -5
John,
Will you please post your views again please... I am sure most of them have changed by now.
Robb
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Post by Bertine Louise on Oct 19, 2004 7:08:49 GMT -5
It's quite sad, seems anti-Kerry folks can only attack him with distortions.
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