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Post by ccx on Aug 28, 2006 16:03:37 GMT -5
Want to hear a worker preach exclusive doctrine? Listen to Lars Lund, head worker of Norway. He preaches about how some Danish folks KNEW the Lutheran church was wrong and they were looking for something right. They knew that "God's true servants" would be preaching like Jesus sent His disciples. And when the first workers arrived, the new that they were right.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 28, 2006 16:38:29 GMT -5
Right I can see that
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Post by mrtindrucvionging on Aug 28, 2006 16:40:36 GMT -5
Want to hear a worker preach exclusive doctrine? Listen to Lars Lund, head worker of Norway. He preaches about how some Danish folks KNEW the Lutheran church was wrong and they were looking for something right. They knew that "God's true servants" would be preaching like Jesus sent His disciples. And when the first workers arrived, the new that they were right. I like the Danish people and the people of Norway. But I absolutely LOVE danishes. The fact of the matter is that there are people out there who search and search for what they feel is a true Christian church and when they feel they have found that, it's up to them to decide what they believe in and what they feel personally is neccessary for salvation. Most of them, [in their personal testimonies], will tell you that they found PEACE that it felt right after a long search.
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Post by good on Aug 28, 2006 17:33:35 GMT -5
Want to hear a worker preach exclusive doctrine? Listen to Lars Lund, head worker of Norway. He preaches about how some Danish folks KNEW the Lutheran church was wrong and they were looking for something right. They knew that "God's true servants" would be preaching like Jesus sent His disciples. And when the first workers arrived, the new that they were right. good think that what he says is true then aye ;D
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Post by guest reader on Aug 28, 2006 18:20:49 GMT -5
Want to hear a worker preach exclusive doctrine? Listen to Lars Lund, head worker of Norway. He preaches about how some Danish folks KNEW the Lutheran church was wrong and they were looking for something right. They knew that "God's true servants" would be preaching like Jesus sent His disciples. And when the first workers arrived, the new that they were right. Does this post have a point? Man preached. People listened. People believed. Pretty routine stuff.
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Post by déjà vu on Aug 28, 2006 19:59:50 GMT -5
Lars Lund openly admitted to us( at an US Conv.) the beginning of the 2x2's in Ireland but conceded that it was not commonly known in North America.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 28, 2006 20:10:01 GMT -5
Lars Lund openly admitted to us( at an US Conv.) the beginning of the 2x2's in Ireland but conceded that it was not commonly known in North America. Thats right it was kept quiet in America that was the plan kept it quiet in australia also and several other places.. Canada
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2006 22:22:54 GMT -5
Las. I heard the workers mention that Irvine thing here in Australia.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2006 22:34:45 GMT -5
Regarding:Want to hear a worker preach exclusive doctrine? Listen to Lars Lund, head worker of Norway. He preaches about how some Danish folks KNEW the Lutheran church was wrong and they were looking for something right. They knew that "God's true servants" would be preaching like Jesus sent His disciples. And when the first workers arrived, they knew that they were right.
It is notable to me that there are numerous such reports about looking for "something" or needing/finding "something." It is not the comment that someone was looking for eternal life, or even someone, but "something." This is proof for me that people were dissatisfied with their "system of worship" and were indeed seeking "something."
Once I thought I had "something." Now I've found "someone" -- my kinsman redeemer and absolute: Yehu'shuah, Savior, my Lord and God. In Him I am indeed satisfied, have found freedom, eternal and abundant life. My trust is completely in His provision for my soul, and my subsequent escape from the consequences of sin. I am no longer bothered by any system or group being promoted as the only way to worship and "believe in."
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Post by tellsackett on Aug 28, 2006 22:56:38 GMT -5
I aint' lookin' fer nothin' except for the Good Book, a good gun and a good horse; maybe a good dog.
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Post by samuel on Aug 29, 2006 1:38:55 GMT -5
I remember a few years back attending a Lutheran service with Lars Lund, and how he marvelled that even despite their wrong doctrine there were true Christians in there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2006 2:44:43 GMT -5
Lars is exclusive -- He regards the 2x2 organization to be the only true representation of the Lords people on the earth -- However in my opinion, he is no more exclusive than any other established 2x2 worker. He like many other 2x2ers, if pressed he will try to find little loopholes in 2x2 doctrine to make it appear like other folks can be respected -- but the doctrine itself is completely 100% bent on condemning every other group that claims Christianity.
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Post by Hal on Aug 29, 2006 3:45:37 GMT -5
Lars and his brother Erik were instrumental in assisting an ecumenical group of Christian Churches in the translation of a new Danish Bible some years back. They worked together with the other established churches in Denmark, alongside Bishops etc from Lutheran and other denominations.
Doesn't quite seem the actions and activity of those who think all others hellbound?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2006 5:13:34 GMT -5
Lars and his brother Erik were instrumental in assisting an ecumenical group of Christian Churches in the translation of a new Danish Bible some years back. They worked together with the other established churches in Denmark, alongside Bishops etc from Lutheran and other denominations. Doesn't quite seem the actions and activity of those who think all others hellbound? I have been Eriks companion -- and spent considerable time with Lars ---- and never heard the slightest acceptance of the Christian spirit in any other group than the 2x2s. In Denmark or Norway (or in any other country), the sole purpose of 2x2 gospel meetings is to convince the Christian membership of other groups to leave the group they belong to, and do what is neccesary to attain the 2x2 'proffessing' status (which is cult language for membership in their group) 2x2 Gospel meetings have NO OTHER goal!!! Edgar Lars also clearly subscribes to the 2x2 principle that even proffessing people need to submit to the whims and fancies of workers, or they will lose their salvation!!! He was the prime figure in many of the Norwegian excommunications of recent years -- also a prime figure in the court proceedings aimed to remove child custody from a ex-proffessing mother that had brought shame to the group by marrying an exed worker.
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Post by harry on Aug 29, 2006 6:49:51 GMT -5
How do we reconcile the two quite different pictures emerging about this worker?
Someone is wrong.
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Post by eurp on Aug 29, 2006 6:54:30 GMT -5
"In Denmark or Norway (or in any other country), the sole purpose of 2x2 gospel meetings is to convince the Christian membership of other groups to leave the group they belong to,"
This is simply not a fact, but an opinion. Its also wrong, there are other purposes than the very specific, narrow one mentioned.
For example, the way this is worded, the gospel meetings are NOT for gaining membership from those who do not have membership of other Christian groups.
It only takes ONE meeting for another purpose to disprove this misleading and erroneous statement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2006 7:52:20 GMT -5
"In Denmark or Norway (or in any other country), the sole purpose of 2x2 gospel meetings is to convince the Christian membership of other groups to leave the group they belong to," This is simply not a fact, but an opinion. Its also wrong, there are other purposes than the very specific, narrow one mentioned. For example, the way this is worded, the gospel meetings are NOT for gaining membership from those who do not have membership of other Christian groups. It only takes ONE meeting for another purpose to disprove this misleading and erroneous statement. If any 2x2 member or workers honestly thinks about the converstations arround 'gospel meetings' -- How many 'outsiders' -- How many meetings they have missed -- What they looked like in a 'tested meeting' -- How close they seem to 'proffessing' etc etc -- they will have to admit that the all important goal is 'proffessing'. Proffessing is most often simply standing up in a tested meeting --- or in some other way indicating that they wish to be part of this group. NONE of these things really are part of Christianity -- yet they are the most important concern in 2x2 missionary activity!!! Or do you deny this as well??
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Post by ex-teenager on Aug 29, 2006 8:16:50 GMT -5
Question:
Is Lars Lund a Scandinavian by birth? or is he American who has went over to Norway?
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Post by Stockholmare on Aug 29, 2006 9:18:16 GMT -5
Hi teenager
He is Scandanavian by birth, Norwegian I am pretty sure.
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Post by eurp on Aug 29, 2006 9:26:02 GMT -5
"If any 2x2 member or workers honestly thinks about..."
as usual Edgar you have changed the course of the topic to suit your point of view.
You originally said that the purpose of the meetings was to covert people WHO ARE MEMBERS OF OTHER DENOMINATIONS away from their church to the 2x2s.
I denied that it was restricted to trying to convert THOSE MEMBERS OF OTHER DENOMINATIONS, implying that it was also to convert those of no denomination.
You seem especially sensitive about this issue to the extent that you are employing Nathans tactics of evasion of the questioned statement.
Stockhomare: Lar Lund is Danish, as are his sister and brother, also workers. His Parents were Danish. Family home was in Denmark. He just happens to be in Norway these days.
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Post by Ronald Schneckenberger on Aug 29, 2006 9:37:54 GMT -5
And I always thought that Lars is danish like his sister Karen which I know well.
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Post by ex-teenager on Aug 29, 2006 11:32:20 GMT -5
Thanks. Just that I noticed some workers who are abraod, their names 'sound' native, but that doesn't mean they are!
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Post by BradJ on Aug 29, 2006 12:24:53 GMT -5
In Denmark or Norway (or in any other country), the sole purpose of 2x2 gospel meetings is to convince the Christian membership of other groups to leave the group they belong to...
Well thats not my experience. Our gospel meeting is currently alternating between a hall and the areas Baptist Church. We go there one week, they come to us the other week. The minister speaks in his church, we listen and worship with them. The workers speak the other week in the hall and they listen and worship with us. Neither antagonises the other.
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Post by Stockholmare on Aug 29, 2006 12:49:23 GMT -5
Of course they are Danish! Meant to write that he preaches mainly in Norway right now! Thanks for correcting me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2006 13:51:08 GMT -5
Of course they are Danish! Meant to write that he preaches mainly in Norway right now! Thanks for correcting me Erik, Lars and Karins folks lived in the Fredrikshavn (Denmark) area for quite a number of the later years of their lives. (Fredrikshavn is a 3 hour ferry trip from our home city) and I knew them all quite well. Their father never proffessed (as far as I know) but was a very colorful personality. Lars has been the senior worker in Norway for a number of years now -- Erik calls most of the shots in Denmark -- although Eldon Knudson (originally Canadian, but assuming the role as senior worker in Sweden/Finland) is regarded as Scandinavian 'overseer'. Johan Jörgensen (a long time senior in Denmark) is still alive -- but fairly incapacitated with bad health and old age.
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Post by to eurp on Aug 29, 2006 18:52:00 GMT -5
eurp,
Do you disagree with Edgar's point that the purpose of gospel meetings is to convert new members to "professing" status? Regardless of where the new member came from, and regardless of whether or not they were a member of another church...do you disagree?
That might not have been the entirety of Edgar's comment, but you failed to address it in your response. You only denied one other specific clause of Edgar's in an attempt to dismiss his entire point.
Although your response is valid, your response does not invalidate the remainder of Edgar's point.
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Post by eurp on Aug 30, 2006 1:48:39 GMT -5
I did not dispute the point you made. I don't think that Edgar made this point, as he clearly and unambiguously qualified his point to the seeking of those who are Christians in other denominations (not his actual words).
Your point that the purpose of GMs is to attract new "members" (if we can use that word) is correct in my opinion, regardless of where they come from.
Its not true to make all encompassing statements like the "only" purpose, or that "there is no other purpose" etc. I remember a recent meeting where 3 women from another church came to attend. (Curiosity I thnk). I overheard one person say to one worker after the meeting say something like "Well, that are Christians already", and got a reply "Oh well thats good then".
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Post by to eurp on Aug 31, 2006 7:32:51 GMT -5
It's apparent that you must rely on your parsing skills in an attempt to put down Edgar. You are still riding the "other denomination" dead horse. When it comes to members of other denominations, Edgar's point is quite valid. Perhaps he could have worded it differently so that it wasn't over-qualified. Too bad you are relying on the over-qualification of the statement in order to dismiss the remainder of his comment.
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