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Post by honesty on Oct 16, 2007 23:44:06 GMT -5
When I see a post by GIT...
Let the readers decide, right nathan?
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Post by selah on Oct 16, 2007 23:52:38 GMT -5
I'm somewhere between the first and second choices in the poll, so I didn't vote. I like to read GIT's posts.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by Good thoughts on Oct 17, 2007 1:49:06 GMT -5
I delve into the post trying to extract the message while skipping over the egotistical attitude. i think GIT has a lot of good thoughts, i just wish he would write more of his posts in a more humble manner. I think if he could write a post and subtract his ego what he is saying would be read by more people and have more credibility.
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Post by Good thoughts on Oct 17, 2007 1:50:16 GMT -5
I delve into the post trying to extract the message while skipping over the egotistical attitude. i think GIT has a lot of good thoughts, i just wish he would write more of his posts in a more humble manner. I think if he could write a post and subtract his ego what he is saying would be read by more people and have more credibility.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2007 4:21:27 GMT -5
Thanks GIT, in a world of gutter snipes your thoughtful responses are a breath of fresh air. Don't let them get you down.
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Post by diet coke on Oct 17, 2007 9:47:29 GMT -5
I read all of GIT's short posts, but if it is very long, then I look to see whether it begins by defending himself (skip it) or providing some thoughtful commentary (devour it).
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Post by he he he on Oct 17, 2007 10:17:58 GMT -5
Thanks GIT, in a world of gutter snipes your thoughtful responses are a breath of fresh air. Don't let them get you down. ROFL!
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Post by A Christian First on Oct 17, 2007 17:26:32 GMT -5
When I see a post by GIT, I read it in its entirety, thoughtfully and carefully considering its points, and examining, with prayerful heart and mind, its spirit.
Then, more often than not, in utter shame and embarrassment, I hang my head in frustrated sadness at the implied denial of the power and effect of the Holy Spirit and the blood of our Savior.
Then, in a distant secondary response, I shake my head, resting it on a tightened fist while clenching my teeth in anger, at those in our fellowship who, in denial of man's imperfection in all things and his unGodly influence and undue complication of God's plan through the blood of our Savior, in indiscriminate condemnation of and presumptive prejudice toward fellow but denied and disowned Christians, in feigned love and veiled dishonesty in spirit and in tone, in proud arrogance and condescension exuding all manner of postured eloquence and apparent thoughtfulness, and in the politics of selective interpretation, mis-characterizing the words and beliefs of others and rebelling against the call of honesty, integrity, and all remaining decency, somehow feel moved, fit, and called to defend a group of men, all the while believing that that which they defend is of a divine nature rather than terrestrial; These unfortunate misguided defenders, believing the ends to justify the means, think it pertinent and somehow right to say what they do, as they do.
These poor, deluded souls defend man alone and know it not.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 17, 2007 18:22:27 GMT -5
When I see a post by someone deliberately trying to be hurtful and ignorant I 1/try to ignore it or 2/respond.
You can see I responded this time. My bad.
M.
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Post by déjà vu on Oct 17, 2007 22:28:40 GMT -5
When I see a post by GIT, I read it in its entirety, thoughtfully and carefully considering its points, and examining, with prayerful heart and mind, its spirit.
Then, more often than not, in utter shame and embarrassment, I hang my head in frustrated sadness at the implied denial of the power and effect of the Holy Spirit and the blood of our Savior.
Then, in a distant secondary response, I shake my head, resting it on a tightened fist while clenching my teeth in anger, at those in our fellowship who, in denial of man's imperfection in all things and his unGodly influence and undue complication of God's plan through the blood of our Savior, in indiscriminate condemnation of and presumptive prejudice toward fellow but denied and disowned Christians, in feigned love and veiled dishonesty in spirit and in tone, in proud arrogance and condescension exuding all manner of postured eloquence and apparent thoughtfulness, and in the politics of selective interpretation, mis-characterizing the words and beliefs of others and rebelling against the call of honesty, integrity, and all remaining decency, somehow feel moved, fit, and called to defend a group of men, all the while believing that that which they defend is of a divine nature rather than terrestrial; These unfortunate misguided defenders, believing the ends to justify the means, think it pertinent and somehow right to say what they do, as they do.
These poor, deluded souls defend man alone and know it not. ?
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Post by Translation Service on Oct 18, 2007 9:49:54 GMT -5
Translation I imagine GloryInTruth prefers the original text. This translation is for the rest of us. This translation is brought to you by Irvine's Gym. Get your lifetime membership today! professing.proboards16.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1188440693&page=1The content of this translation does not necessarily represent the opinions or beliefs of Translation, Inc. or its sponsorers. Translation When I see a post by GIT, I read it in its entirety, thoughtfully and carefully considering its points, and examining, with prayerful heart and mind, its spirit. When I see a post by GIT, I read it all. I think about it. I consider it carefully. I pray and ask God about it. Most of GIT's posts shame, embarrass, frustrate, and sadden me because they are indirectly blasphemous. My second response is less powerful; I get angry at some people in the Truth religion because: 01) They deny man's imperfection in everything he does. 02) They deny man's ungodly influence in God's plan of salvation. 03) They deny man's unnecessary complication of God's plan of salvation. 04) They carelessly condemn people outside the Truth religion. 05) They assume they are better than the people outside the Truth religion. 06) They deny the Christian status of other Christians outside the Truth religion. 07) They disown Christians outside the Truth religion. 08) They pretend to love Christians outside the Truth religion. 09) They pretend to be honest in all they do and say. 10) They are proudly arrogant in what they say. 11) They are condescending in what they say. 12) They pretend with all their might to be eloquent in what they say. 13) They pretend with all their might to be thoughtful in what they say. 14) They engage in politics when it comes to interpreting what other people say. 15) They engage in selective interpretation when it comes to what other people say. 16) They mis-characterizing what other people say. 17) They mis-characterizing what other people believe. 18) They ignore their conscience when it asks them to be honest. 19) They ignore their conscience when it asks them to have integrity. 20) They ignore their conscience when it asks them to be decent. The people in the Truth religion just described by the above 20 points: 01) Somehow feel motivated to defend the Truth religion. 02) Somehow feel capable of defending the Truth religion. 03) Somehow feel that they have been called to defend the Truth religion. 04) Think that the Truth religion they are defending was created by God, not man. 05) Think that defending the Truth religion is so important that it has to be defended at all costs. 06) Think that anything they say and do in defense of the Truth religion is right and good.
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Post by no on Oct 18, 2007 17:45:29 GMT -5
including Bert's & Nathan's -
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Post by freddie on Oct 19, 2007 13:21:00 GMT -5
I don't read bert's stuff at all. He's worse than GIT.
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Post by Faithful1 on Oct 19, 2007 17:27:50 GMT -5
Hello GloryInTruth, don't let them get you down.
We heard last Sunday about the good Samaratin and how in many cases, a good Samaratin pays with his life for his good deeds. Being a standard bearer for God's way sometimes puts us in the line of fire but our reward is in heaven. Man can take our bodies but God is the keeper of our soul.
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Post by Not in Danger on Oct 19, 2007 17:53:08 GMT -5
I don't think GIT's life is in danger whatsoever, and it seems a little ridiculous to compare it as such.
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Post by the greatest danger on Oct 19, 2007 20:00:43 GMT -5
The greatest danger faced by GIT is himself.
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Post by Hey GIT on Oct 20, 2007 22:09:47 GMT -5
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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 20, 2007 22:16:20 GMT -5
Hello GloryInTruth, don't let them get you down. We heard last Sunday about the good Samaratin and how in many cases, a good Samaratin pays with his life for his good deeds. Being a standard bearer for God's way sometimes puts us in the line of fire but our reward is in heaven. Man can take our bodies but God is the keeper of our soul. So nice to have that cleared up....you believe that you are in "God's way", and we're not! The workers' church is not "God's way" in the sense that you are using it. No single church on this earth has that privilege and/or responsibility! E
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Post by _ on Oct 21, 2007 0:09:14 GMT -5
Why am I not in the photo?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 5:52:52 GMT -5
01) They deny man's imperfection in everything he does. We emphasize man's imperfection
02) They deny man's ungodly influence in God's plan of salvation. Odd one. Any examples?
03) They deny man's unnecessary complication of God's plan of salvation. We can complicate our idea about God, but we can't complicate God's plan.
04) They carelessly condemn people outside the Truth religion. Not often. I know of only one person who would go on about Catholic doctrine, but that was about 2 or 3 times a year in a meeting.
05) They assume they are better than the people outside the Truth religion. That accounts for their shyness and humility, I suppose.
06) They deny the Christian status of other Christians outside the Truth religion. Certainly. I can reject idols, and share fellowship with one who doesnt.
07) They disown Christians outside the Truth religion. Depends what you mean by "disown."
08) They pretend to love Christians outside the Truth religion. Didn't you just say we "deny" and "disown" outsiders?
09) They pretend to be honest in all they do and say. They seem pretty honest to me.
10) They are proudly arrogant in what they say. Can you give examples?
11) They are condescending in what they say. As above (heaps of generalities here, isn't there...)
12) They pretend with all their might to be eloquent in what they say. GIT seems fairly eloquent. He often faces one liner, anonymous gutter snipes.
13) They pretend with all their might to be thoughtful in what they say. I don't have to pretend. I am thoughtful.
14) They engage in politics when it comes to interpreting what other people say. Examples?
15) They engage in selective interpretation when it comes to what other people say. Examples?
16) They mis-characterizing what other people say. Like I am doing here?
17) They mis-characterizing what other people believe. We reject idol worship. Some say they don't worship idols but what the idol represents. I take that defense on board, and say we shouldn't create idols to represent what we worship. Is that mis-characterizing?
18) They ignore their conscience when it asks them to be honest. In what regards?
19) They ignore their conscience when it asks them to have integrity. Example?
20) They ignore their conscience when it asks them to be decent. What is your definition of decent? Isn't that more of Paul's saved by works doctrine?
01) Somehow feel motivated to defend the Truth religion. Yes, we are doing about four web sites on this...
02) Somehow feel capable of defending the Truth religion. GIT is pretty good at that.
03) Somehow feel that they have been called to defend the Truth religion. Should you beliefs be defended?
04) Think that the Truth religion they are defending was created by God, not man. Didn't Irvine write the Gospels, make up this 2x2 business?
05) Think that defending the Truth religion is so important that it has to be defended at all costs. The Truth can defend itself.
06) Think that anything they say and do in defense of the Truth religion is right and good. Certainly hope they believe this!
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Post by BECAUSE on Oct 21, 2007 8:10:09 GMT -5
Why am I not in the photo? Because you're not a person. You're a _._
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Post by what is there on Oct 21, 2007 17:03:08 GMT -5
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah It's hard to respond when you don't say anything worth responding to.
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Post by to bert on Oct 21, 2007 21:05:24 GMT -5
01) They deny man's imperfection in everything he does. We emphasize man's imperfection Have you emphasized the imperfections in William Irvine's creation? No! Many of your workers continue to insist that your sect is perfect. 02) They deny man's ungodly influence in God's plan of salvation. Odd one. Any examples? William Irvine's creation represents undue complication in God's plan of salvation. It inserts a layer of abstraction between the individual and their savior. 03) They deny man's unnecessary complication of God's plan of salvation. We can complicate our idea about God, but we can't complicate God's plan. When one misrepresents God's plan as they present it to others, they complicate God's plan. 04) They carelessly condemn people outside the Truth religion. Not often. I know of only one person who would go on about Catholic doctrine, but that was about 2 or 3 times a year in a meeting. Insisting that people be re-baptised in your sect testifies against the spirit of their previous baptisms. This is careless, wrong, and blasphemous. 05) They assume they are better than the people outside the Truth religion. That accounts for their shyness and humility, I suppose. No. You'll have to look beyond the physical, tangible things they do on the street corner for show. Listen to what they say, especially in private settings, such as meetings. Dismissing "outsiders" as "unwilling" and "lost" and "bound for a lost eternity" demonstrates the spiritual elitism of the people in your sect. 06) They deny the Christian status of other Christians outside the Truth religion. Certainly. I can reject idols, and share fellowship with one who doesnt. I'm sure there are a few exceptions out there. It's nice to know I've met one in you. 07) They disown Christians outside the Truth religion. Depends what you mean by "disown." Many people who leave your sect, though still Christians, are shunned by others who remain in your sect. 08) They pretend to love Christians outside the Truth religion. Didn't you just say we "deny" and "disown" outsiders? You can disown something and pretend to love it at the same time. 09) They pretend to be honest in all they do and say. They seem pretty honest to me. They are good pretenders. 10) They are proudly arrogant in what they say. Can you give examples? Read GIT's posts. 11) They are condescending in what they say. As above (heaps of generalities here, isn't there...) Read GIT's posts. 12) They pretend with all their might to be eloquent in what they say. GIT seems fairly eloquent. He often faces one liner, anonymous gutter snipes. You've made my point. GIT does seems fairly eloquent. Tolerating anonymous gutter snipes is something we all have to tolerate. Welcome to the TMB. 13) They pretend with all their might to be thoughtful in what they say. I don't have to pretend. I am thoughtful. I'm sure there are a few exceptions out there. It's nice to know I've met one in you. 14) They engage in politics when it comes to interpreting what other people say. Examples? Your continuous and deliberate confusion of the difference between Truth (proper noun) and truth (noun). 15) They engage in selective interpretation when it comes to what other people say. Examples? Your continuous and deliberate confusion of the difference between Truth (proper noun) and truth (noun). 16) They mis-characterizing what other people say. Like I am doing here? So far you're doing pretty good. 17) They mis-characterizing what other people believe. We reject idol worship. Some say they don't worship idols but what the idol represents. I take that defense on board, and say we shouldn't create idols to represent what we worship. Is that mis-characterizing? Yes. By suggesting the painting is an idol, you are suggesting the target of worship has changed when it has not. You are reading something into the situation that is not there. 18) They ignore their conscience when it asks them to be honest. In what regards? In many regards. Several facts have been hidden from the friends. Some (regarding pedophiles) have even been dangerous. I refuse to believe that most workers who don't know about these facts have no motivation of conscience to be forthright about what they know. 19) They ignore their conscience when it asks them to have integrity. Example? Ask Jean Trotter Austin. 20) They ignore their conscience when it asks them to be decent. What is your definition of decent? Isn't that more of Paul's saved by works doctrine? Decent: "Conforming to the recognized standard of propriety, good taste, modesty, etc." As for your second question, Yes, I suppose you could relate the two. 01) Somehow feel motivated to defend the Truth religion. Yes, we are doing about four web sites on this... Have you considered doing at least one web site on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the amazing grace of his salvation? This would be time well spent, especially in contrast to all your efforts to defend your little sect. 02) Somehow feel capable of defending the Truth religion. GIT is pretty good at that. Well it certainly is getting what it deserves. 03) Somehow feel that they have been called to defend the Truth religion. Should you beliefs be defended? I think so but I try to be pragmatic about the time I spend. I will spend time defending Christianity but I won't spend too much time defending a group of men. 04) Think that the Truth religion they are defending was created by God, not man. Didn't Irvine write the Gospels, make up this 2x2 business? You're half right. William Irvine didn't write the Gospels but he did make up this 2x2 business. 05) Think that defending the Truth religion is so important that it has to be defended at all costs. The Truth can defend itself.
06) Think that anything they say and do in defense of the Truth religion is right and good. Certainly hope they believe this! I find your response to the above two statements (04 and 05) to be in conflict with each other. You say your sect can defend itself but then say that you find it acceptable that someone would believe that it must be defended at all costs. Do you care to clarify your statements for me? Thanks, and it's been a pleasure bert.
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Post by lol on Oct 22, 2007 18:03:33 GMT -5
Hey bert 'ol buddy 'ol pal... I'd love to see you take on that one without stoopin' to any o' 'yer 'ol tricks!
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 23, 2007 13:33:40 GMT -5
what is the point when you get things back like "defend your little sect" all condescending and self righteous? (Things 2x2 are accused of..oh please!) Bert is entitled to his beliefs and the poster who responded to him won't have his/her views changed, so why bother? I mean, we all do it...but with such a long post? to respond to each point? waste of time, imo. Bert prolly will tho! lol. Too bad each person can't be left alone to believe what they would like to believe. (I meant on this board...luckily this board doesn't roll over to " real life" and each person CAN believe as he/she wishes)
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Post by 2wtbwg on Oct 23, 2007 20:27:04 GMT -5
what is the point when you get things back like "defend your little sect" all condescending and self righteous? (Things 2x2 are accused of..oh please!) Sect, fellowship, whatever....... check out the definition........ it fits. Good point! Shut the board down. There's no point in going forward since none of us will ever change our mind. Shut the board down! Bert responded first. You did notice that right? Bert's a good 2x2. With no TV he has more time to waste on the internet. Getting dizzy? You just went full circle, twice I think. Make up your mind!
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 23, 2007 21:15:04 GMT -5
Your own remarks and all of your little quoting makes me dizzy, but that's about it! I didn't say to shut the board down. We all have our own opinions and we share them with one another here. What I was SAYING (without YOU putting words in my mouth) is that most of us won't be changing our minds (or anyone eles's ) here...no matter how much we share, share, share with one another. I guess to someone like you that reads as "shut the board down!" I enjoy being here, but it wouldn't break my heart. For those who have nothing better to do than try to make themselves feel better by insulting others who disagree with them on this board all day long though, it would probably be a great loss, sure. M.
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Post by 2wtbwg on Oct 23, 2007 21:47:02 GMT -5
Your own remarks and all of your little quoting makes me dizzy, but that's about it! Shocking that that's about it! With all the spin from your buddies here, I'd think you'd be dizzier. Oh, wait a minute. Your spinning with them so you don't notice they're spinning. Then I wonder why bert, Nathan, and GIT are even here? Is there anyone here who does not already know what their opinions are? You say we're not here to change minds, we're just here to share opinions. Perhaps you could request of the administrator that he restrict further posts from those here whose opinions have been adequately stated. I think you're on to something there. I noticed that when this board went away for a few days, it was so shocking to GIT that he actually went to the trouble of starting his own board. Obviously arguments is all some people have!
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